New Mk3 parts- A disappointment?

[ZooNamedGames]

You might want to try without mods. Most mods aren't updated to 0.90 yet and they cause quite some issues. Also, if you didn't uninstall KSP before installing 0.90, that can also cause issues. Finally, if you have opengl mode forced on ksp, disable it.

I have rolled a kerbal around one of the new cargo bays and have not found any collision errors anywhere. It might just be the payload you put in there or even your game.

My game is stock... and there was no payload... I'd say this is a routine bug but when I encounter it through gameplay that kind of rises its importance over that of the bug of which when you slam an EVA kerbal at 101.2m/s precisely Kerbin will "explode".

[FishInferno]

No offence....i sorta hate the new mk2 parts and wings, they dont fly right and im not a big fan of the cockpit either, but thats my opinion, the only use i got out of the mk2 wings was buliding a snazzy home

But you don't go around claiming that the creater of the parts doesnt deserve to help with KSP

[ZooNamedGames]

But you don't go around claiming that the creater of the parts doesnt deserve to help with KSP

Sure his work gives it to him... ish. His mod was looking VERY promising in mod state but it was a bit of a let down to see it get INTO KSP and see so little progress had been made... If I were him I'd spend every possible second making myself look like I made the best mod ever... even if I've got a 75 hour work week+kids+wife+friends+other stuff. I'd make room.

[SparkyFox]

But you don't go around claiming that the creater of the parts doesnt deserve to help with KSP

Well it is sorta annoying that the old wings were taken out at least keep them in aswell as the new wings

[BudgetHedgehog]

To OP: Try bashing the devs (and specifically, PorkJet) more, that will surely get them inspired to please you. Also, lol that you think a cylinder with two flat sides is somehow someone's property and PJ stole it. Did you know, I made a pyramid with a flat top once - if you ever make one, you stole the idea from me. Also, lol that you bash PJ for the lack of Mk3 IVA but have no problem with his Mk2 IVA. Also, lol that you blame a part (no different to any other of Squads parts) for a 'kraken' and not KSP itself. Also, just.. lol. Well done, OP, cracking job. I'm not wasting my time in this poor excuse for a discussion.

Edited December 19, 2014 by ObsessedWithKSP

[ZooNamedGames]

Well it is sorta annoying that the old wings were taken out at least keep them in aswell as the new wings

Or at least let them be converted! I mean come on- I understand its in alpha *cough* I MEAN BETA state but when its been in that state for more than 2 years... you need to start saying this is very long term or make accommodations but I really don't care about that as I don't run Squad and I approve of what they're don't regardless.

[ZooNamedGames]

To OP: Try bashing the devs (and specifically, PorkJet) more, that will surely get them inspired to please you. Also, lol that you think a cylinder with two flat sides is somehow someone's property and PJ stole it. Did you know, I made a pyramid with a flat top once - if you ever make one, you stole the idea from me. Also, lol that you bash PJ for the lack of Mk3 IVA but have no problem with his Mk2 IVA. Also, just.. lol. Well done, OP, cracking job. I'm not wasting my time in this poor excuse for a discussion.

Well bro- its a fact at this point... it is the same part. He did reuse the HL parts... So got anything else?

Also- I HAVE bashed his mk2 IVAs.

[King Arthur]

I didn't feel like going through 6 pages of drivel, so I'll just leave this here:

1. The old Mk3 parts do not conflict with the new Mk3 parts, you can easily drop them in from your 0.25 (or prior) install into your 0.90 install and they'll work just fine.

2. The new Mk3 parts are amazing for what they are designed to do. With a bit of imagination and some creative part CFG copying and editting, I managed to pull this off: http://imgur.com/a/A4U3W#0

3. As far as I understand there was cooperation between Porkjet and B9 maintainers which resulted in HL compatibility. This is a good thing. Don't see why you (OP) are complaining.

[SparkyFox]

To OP: Try bashing the devs (and specifically, PorkJet) more, that will surely get them inspired to please you. Also, lol that you think a cylinder with two flat sides is somehow someone's property and PJ stole it. Did you know, I made a pyramid with a flat top once - if you ever make one, you stole the idea from me. Also, lol that you bash PJ for the lack of Mk3 IVA but have no problem with his Mk2 IVA. Also, just.. lol. Well done, OP, cracking job. I'm not wasting my time in this poor excuse for a discussion.

Is there any need to get anyone banned or kicked off? We're all kerbals in a way, why ruin each others fun by getting them in trouble with the devs

[ZooNamedGames]

I didn't feel like going through 6 pages of drivel, so I'll just leave this here:

1. The old Mk3 parts do not conflict with the new Mk3 parts, you can easily drop them in from your 0.25 (or prior) install into your 0.90 install and they'll work just fine.

2. The new Mk3 parts are amazing for what they are designed to do. With a bit of imagination and some creative part CFG copying and editting, I managed to pull this off: http://imgur.com/a/A4U3W#0

3. As far as I understand there was cooperation between Porkjet and B9 maintainers which resulted in HL compatibility. This is a good thing. Don't see why you (OP) are complaining.

Answer to 1: Yes I know- SparkyFox has a mod for that. Adds the old wings from before .25 too. (and cockpits)

Answer to 2: I shouldn't need to mod a part to get it to work. They are cool no doubt- but reuse of someone elses idea with no credit is illegal... hence plagiarism.

Answer to 3: If its a coop act then when can I expect Pork to add compatibility for KW's parts?

[BudgetHedgehog]

Well bro- its a fact at this point... it is the same part. He did reuse the HL parts... So got anything else?

Don't call me bro, I'm not your bro.

As has been pointed out to you, modelling a cylinder with two flat sides took, what.. 5 minutes? It's the textures that took the majority of PJs time, I can assure you of that. Also that's been pointed out to you, the HL shape was used for compatibility. Fricking standards, how do they work?

Also major lol:

reuse of someone elses idea with no credit is illegal

We're talking about a cylinder with two flat sides, right? I just want to be clear. And no co-op needed for KWR - those already use Squads 1.25/2.5/3m sizes.

You're not even trying here..

Edited December 19, 2014 by ObsessedWithKSP

[SparkyFox]

Don't call me bro, I'm not your bro.

As has been pointed out to you, modelling a cylinder with two flat sides took, what.. 5 minutes? It's the textures that took the majority of PJs time, I can assure you of that. Also that's been pointed out to you, the HL shape was used for compatibility. Fricking standards, how do they work?

if the adam and eve theory is true, technically you are XD im sorry i had to

Arnt cylinders supposed to have 2 flat sides or its a circle?

[klgraham1013]

even if I've got a 75 hour work week+kids+wife+friends+other stuff. I'd make room.

You are a demanding fellow. I feel less of a man only working 40 hours a week.

[BudgetHedgehog]

Arnt cylinders supposed to have 2 flat sides or its a circle?

And with that, you've proven you have literally nothing useful to say. Good day.

[SparkyFox]

And with that, you've proven you have literally nothing useful to say. Good day.

Dude you lost me? Dont get mad at me, what did i do?

[King Arthur]

Answer to 1: Yes I know- SparkyFox has a mod for that. Adds the old wings from before .25 too. (and cockpits)

Then use that and move on.

Answer to 2: I shouldn't need to mod a part to get it to work.

"Creative part CFG copying and editting" literally only involved making a double-sized copy of the stock landing gear to get me through until Porkjet and co. can get around to releasing bigger landing gears at a later date. What you see in my screenshots there is otherwise stock Mk3 parts.

They are cool no doubt- but reuse of someone elses idea with no credit is illegal... hence plagiarism.

I highly doubt simple shapes by themselves are copyrightable material. And anyway, I just literally pointed out right in front of you that the HL compatibility was a cooperative effort, you're literally crying over nothing.

Answer to 3: If its a coop act then when can I expect Pork to add compatibility for KW's parts?

And now you're comparing apples to oranges. KW Rocketry is completely and utterly unrelated to B9 or Porkjet/Squad.

Lighten up and stop rustling your jimmies over nothing. Sheesh.

[FishInferno]

Answer to 3: If its a coop act then when can I expect Pork to add compatibility for KW's parts?

Last time I checked, KW uses 1.25, 2.5, 3.75. and 5 meter sized parts. Guess what? Stock KSP uses 1.25, 2.5, and 3.75 meter parts!!!! YAYYYYY

[SparkyFox]

Ok look....everyone here is on edge and nerves are high and theres no need to get angry and cause an uproar, everyone is all against zoo, some of you agree and most of you dont and alot of us are missing zoo's point he's trying to make, yeah the 2 mk2 cockpit internals are the same and its a little weird, yeah the new mk3 doesnt have internals and people, even me thought it was a glitch until we actually ready the description about it but even i have to admit, at least put something there or copy and old internals just to make do for now, the old mk3 and mk1 didnt have internals, but at least it looked like the kerbals were in something, not sitting in a dark place and getting a fright when your accidently press c and everything goes black

[SparkyFox]

Last time I checked, KW uses 1.25, 2.5, 3.75. and 5 meter sized parts. Guess what? Stock KSP uses 1.25, 2.5, and 3.75 meter parts!!!! YAYYYYY

How does that make sence, hes saying ships that are 5m parts that can carry 3.75 parts

[ZooNamedGames]

Don't call me bro, I'm not your bro.

As has been pointed out to you, modelling a cylinder with two flat sides took, what.. 5 minutes? It's the textures that took the majority of PJs time, I can assure you of that. Also that's been pointed out to you, the HL shape was used for compatibility. Fricking standards, how do they work?

Also major lol:

We're talking about a cylinder with two flat sides, right? I just want to be clear. And no co-op needed for KWR - those already use Squads 1.25/2.5/3m sizes.

You're not even trying here..

I was referring to KWR's 10m parts NOT in stock.

And again- don't got the time then don't help. If it's been used for compat when can I see B9 made stock? Or KWR?

[AmpsterMan]

Okay, I am going to temporarily lock this thread because it is just spiraling out of control.

Edit: I honestly have no idea what's going on in this thread; y'all have a way of spiraling things out of control xD. It seems things have gotten a bit heated but I haven't really seen any harrasment or rule breaking... yet. Please keep it that way. I'm going to leave this thread closed until 4:00 UTC 4:00 England Time(forgot what it is called)(I unforgot what it's called). By then, I hope we can get our nerves under control and continue the discusion. Thanks!

Edit: Reopening this thread, consequently

Edited December 19, 2014 by AmpsterMan

[iFlyAllTheTime]

I'm not sure if there's anything constructive left to discuss in this thread. Not attacking the OP or anyone in particular but there are some pretty vile and ungrateful feelings being expressed here.

I'm rather content and happy at everything in this update, including the Mk 3 parts. Would I have liked more appropriately sized wings and landing gear to match them? Absolutely.

But I can be patient.

Everyone has a right to express what they feel. However, I do believe it doesn't hurt to maintain a certain demeanour.

Have a wonderful Christmas and holiday season you all.

[iFlyAllTheTime]

...until 4:00 England Time (forgot what it is called).

You meant 4:00 UTC or 4:00 Zulu:rolleyes:

[SparkyFox]

You meant 4:00 UTC or 4:00 Zulu:rolleyes:

GMT, scotland, ireland and whales are all countries that make the united kingdom, england doesnt dominate and also the prime minister is trying to make scotland indipendant and he nearly caused a civil war on doing so not that has anything to do with stuff

[Vanamonde]

Subject of thread. Return to it. Please.