Ven's Stock Revamp needs to be stock.

[Whirligig Girl]

The amount of beauty it gives the game is monstrous, and yet it keeps the stock feel!

http://forum.kerbalspaceprogram.com/threads/92764-Stock-Part-Revamp-%28Redone-Plane-Parts!-and-more!%29

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[klgraham1013]

Yes. Then, Squad can spend the entire update cycle integrating it. (space plane plus)

...but seriously. I hate that rocket parts look like oil drums. It was fine at first, but PorkJet has given the plane parts such a sleek aesthetic, not to mention the NASA parts, that the current rocket parts just look bad.

[Anquietas314]

Yes. Then, Squad can spend the entire update cycle integrating it. (space plane plus)

Remember 0.25 also added destructible buildings, career difficulty settings, career strategies, a complete overhaul of explosions, direct crew transfer, KSC vessel markers and the normal/radial navball markers

As for the mod integration, hell yes!

[CaptainKipard]

Not yet, but when it's finished, sure. There are still issues with that mod, but Ven is clearly talented. Having learned about tankbutts recently I really love that his engines have tankbutless versions. The texturing is really good (mostly, as I said there are some differences, not everything is his best work) and the models have a nice amount of detail.

I hope Squad at least talk to him about it.

[Bill Phil]

Not only does it look good, it makes the parts make sense. No more black and white nose cones, no more unrealistic gimbal long, and the addition of more 0.625 tanks, and buttless engines. That last one is actually kind of cool. The Skipper that's buttless can be used on a 1.25 fuel tank as a first stage engine.

[CaptainKipard]

Having said what I said, some of his new models are just a graphical upgrade of what's available, like the pods. And that's no good. His engines are a complete overhaul which is the best way to go.

[Anquietas314]

Having said what I said, some of his new models are just a graphical upgrade of what's available, like the pods. And that's no good. His engines are a complete overhaul which is the best way to go.

To some extent I agree with you on the Mk1 pod, but to be honest there's nothing seriously wrong with the design of the current Mk1-2, except I guess the fact it's missing a heatshield. The design seems to be partly based on the Apollo command module, but for lack of a better description "more kerbal". I guess the guy in the middle could do with a window maybe, but otherwise it's mostly fine imho.

[CaptRobau]

To some extent I agree with you on the Mk1 pod, but to be honest there's nothing seriously wrong with the design of the current Mk1-2, except I guess the fact it's missing a heatshield. The design seems to be partly based on the Apollo command module, but for lack of a better description "more kerbal". I guess the guy in the middle could do with a window maybe, but otherwise it's mostly fine imho.

Are you referring to the stock 1-2 or Ven's 1-2. Because Ven's centers the ladder/hatch like in the real Apollo capsule and it's a great tweak. Makes building so much more logically when all parts follow the same symmetry rules.

I like about half of Ven's work and sort of dislike the other half. His upgrades of the non-updated aero parts are amazing. Those control surfaces now perfectly fit with the Mk2 and Mk3 line. But some of his designs or design elements don't fit the game as well. Some diverge from stock too much, for no good reason. The 6-way hub comes to mind. That would've been much better with just a HD redo instead of that weird color scheme stuck halfway between realistic and Kerbal-style. Other examples are the windows on pods and the new solar panels. Those were fine before and the only thing that they do now is conflict with the established stock style used excellently by mods such as Tantares or RLA. Other changes actually impact my enjoyment of the game. All his fuel tanks have exposed pressure cylinders (or whatever those internal tanks are called). That looks fine on a launcher (which I why I don't mind it on the 3.75m tanks), but 1.25m and 2.5m fuel tanks are also used without the same sized engines or other parts obscuring the back end. On space stations for example or worse, when putting a smaller size engine on a larger size tank. Then the open end of Ven's tanks make it look like the engines are attached to nothing.

[Red Iron Crown]

I only recently started using visual improvement mods and this is one of my favorites. The biggest thing for me is more consistency, some stock parts are seemingly from different schools of aesthetic thought while the revamp makes them look like they belong together.

Really cool that it doesn't break existing craft, too.

[Whirligig Girl]

On space stations for example or worse, when putting a smaller size engine on a larger size tank. Then the open end of Ven's tanks make it look like the engines are attached to nothing.

Gizmos allow you to push an engine into a fuel tank so it doesn't look like it's floating. And at any rate, this problem is also seen on the stock NASAmission parts.

And about the windows and solar panels: Ven's stock revamp does change the look of these parts to such an extent where the solar panels no longer look consistent with Tantares or RLA, true. But look at it this way (Or the other way, just wait a bit): If the Revamp were made stock, then stockalike mods would suddenly have a new style to aspire to recreate.

Or this way: If SQUAD were to implement Stock Revamp, they obviously wouldn't just do a flat-out implementation. They would ask Ven to change things to better fit the established aesthetic. And obviously the wonderful TextureReplacer feature wouldn't be included in stock, but that's not a big deal.

[Whirligig Girl]

Having said what I said, some of his new models are just a graphical upgrade of what's available, like the pods. And that's no good. His engines are a complete overhaul which is the best way to go.

I was kind of just thinking that the Mk1 pod is a little bit too ugly, but I love the Mk1-2 Command Pod. A Kerbalized Apollo CM. Brilliant. It just needs a heatshield.

[Anquietas314]

Are you referring to the stock 1-2 or Ven's 1-2. Because Ven's centers the ladder/hatch like in the real Apollo capsule and it's a great tweak. Makes building so much more logically when all parts follow the same symmetry rules.

I was referring to the stock one, but the ladder/hatch thing isn't a huge issue; there's no reason you can't rotate either the command pod or the thing you're attaching to it to make the ladders line up. Sure it's a bit inconvenient and "fixing" it is of course desirable, but it's certainly not a serious concern.

[CaptainKipard]

Then the open end of Ven's tanks make it look like the engines are attached to nothing.

We've sort of been discussing this here.

The solution is to extend the engine thrust structure past the stack node.

If the Revamp were made stock, then stockalike mods would suddenly have a new style to aspire to recreate.

I'd like this to happen.

Also I really like his solar panels.

Or this way: If SQUAD were to implement Stock Revamp, they obviously wouldn't just do a flat-out implementation. They would ask Ven to change things to better fit the established aesthetic..

I'd hate this to happen.

but the ladder/hatch thing isn't a huge issue;

It's a big issue to me. I hated the asymmetry from the beginning.

Edited December 24, 2014 by Cpt. Kipard

[RobotsAndSpaceships]

Personally, I really don't care if it is or not, it's a mod that anyone can install or not install (which is why I never particularly cared for Squad integrating mods into the game when they were already available for download, tweaking their stats a little (SP+), or making them super grindy (fineprint). Squad should spend their time on actually finishing the game instead of repeating what the community has done.

[CaptainKipard]

I'm sure they can do both. Integrating a part mod is a painless process. They would probably just ask Ven to do specific things like they did Porkjet.

[Whirligig Girl]

I'd hate this to happen.

Well, I meant very small things mostly, like how the 1.25m tank doesn't have black stripes, and how the RT-10 has no yellow and has 4 nozzles.