Moho, Dres, Eeloo... No Atmosphere, No Moons, No Game

[djnattyd]

So basically because you don't like something it means nobody else likes it?

[cantab]

I've flown by Moho and Dres (on the same mission), and landed on Eeloo.

Moho is a big challenge, and adding a moon or atmosphere would diminish that challenge by allowing an easy capture. But I would like to see one of Dres or Eeloo get a decent-sized moon, something massive enough to do a gravicapture with. That's a really neat technique, but at the moment never really necessary since all the bodies with moons also have atmospheres for an aerocapture.

[kahlzun]

I've been everywhere, man.

I found Dres and Eeloo to be a bit pointless, especially since they have no anomalies..

[LameLefty]

Been to and landed on all of the above. Moho is the toughest due to the high dV required; that plane-change is a real PITA, and even if you optimize your transfer planning and execute the burns perfectly, you need a lot of dV to make a landing and then make orbit and break the SOI again. The transfer back to Kerbin isn't too bad but the difficulty is so front-loaded that after you've managed those first tough parts, the return is anti-climactic. I like Dres well enough - it's got a very interesting canyon feature and there are transfer windows that aren't too far apart. But Eeloo is just kind of bland - not even any interesting features or easter eggs. It's not very hard to get to aside from the time involved. If you run a parallel missions type game, that one crew won't have anything to do while you run potentially dozens of other, more interesting missions to other destinations in the meantime.

Edited January 3, 2015 by LameLefty

[Moar Boosters]

I've been to all of them.

Totally agree that they need spicing up a bit. If/when environmental effects are put in, it'd be great if eeloo is given big ice plumes which go dozens of kilometers high, which could interfere with low orbiting craft. Moho could be given the same, but lava plumes which destroy spacecraft.

Not so sure about Dres. Maybe something to do with asteroids.

[Voculus]

I've been to all three, but have never made a return trip from Moho. Not even close, actually. I shall have to rectify that very soon.

[Bill Phil]

There's no reason to. I would like more of a reason. A better science system, a better exploration mechanic, and maybe a nice solar system sized puzzle, all of these would only add to the game. Oh, and weather. And waves. Now that would be cool...

I imagine it now...

Laythe with clouds would be beautiful, and waves on the surface...

Okay, we need a rendering of that now!

[cantab]

First off, I was just stating how hard it was to get to these planets. Two, ALL PLANETS IN THE SOLAR SYSTEM HAVE AN ATMOSPHERE!!!

For some definition of "atmosphere". The PresMat barometer reads as low as 10^-4 atm, which is the pressure about 45 km above Kerbin's surface. The lowest pressure in the current game is the edge of Duna's atmosphere, 2 x 10^-7 atm.

For comparison, the surface pressure on Pluto is about 10^-5 atm. While KSP could handle something like that, it would hardly be noticeable. Very low orbits would be unstable, that's about it. The surface pressure of Mercury's attendant spattering of gas molecules is about 10^-14 atm - utterly, totally, categorically irrelevant.

[CalMacDa]

I dislike those planets, but I agree with them being in the game. They offer a challenge and its like going to a moon with 100x the fuel. Eeloo is like pluto though... It should not be a planet. It should be a dwarf planet on the outskirts of the system, but this will be fixed because Eeloo will become a moon on GP2 (gas planet 2... link below)

http://wiki.kerbalspaceprogram.com/wiki/Gas_planet_2

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For some definition of "atmosphere". The PresMat barometer reads as low as 10^-4 atm, which is the pressure about 45 km above Kerbin's surface. The lowest pressure in the current game is the edge of Duna's atmosphere, 2 x 10^-7 atm.

For comparison, the surface pressure on Pluto is about 10^-5 atm. While KSP could handle something like that, it would hardly be noticeable. Very low orbits would be unstable, that's about it. The surface pressure of Mercury's attendant spattering of gas molecules is about 10^-14 atm - utterly, totally, categorically irrelevant.

I was just making a point that they all do. You couldn't Aerobrake on Mercury or Pluto though with very noticeable effects.

[Engineer of Stuff]

I have stayed in Kerbin SOI (except for Kerbol contracts). I have built a base on the Mün and Minmus. I am currently working up the tech tree to the nukes, and then I will head out to Duna.

[spaceBrezel]

enjoyed all of them.

i remember my first time landing on moho though... dark side and no light on the lander, took ages

[CalMacDa]

Here is a helpful chart on all of the planet sizes... A typical Mun lander, when flown efficiently, can get down to all of them. Even Moho

[Superfluous J]

Here is a helpful chart on all of the planet sizes... A typical Mun lander, when flown efficiently, can get down to all of them. Even Moho

http://i.imgur.com/fvf3ARC.png

Wow. I'm surprised at Pol and Bop. Not only is Bop bigger than Minmus, but they're both far bigger than Gilly than I thought. Also, they're very different from each other in size. I've been to both multiple times and always thought of them as "A little bigger than Gilly"

[Whirligig Girl]

Eeloo and Moho are interesting to some extent, but Dres is worthless unless you use Jumbo32 or Jumbo5x, where Dres spins very fast.

[CalMacDa]

No no no no... Gilly is TINY... When I had just started playing KSP and asked my friend what Gilly was like, he used the metaphor "The force of a decoupler could send you to orbit"

[FleetAdmiralJ]

I never really saw a planet as useful/useless based on whether it has moon or not. I mean, heck, in our solar system both Venus and Mars are very interesting. Venus has no moons, and Mars has two moons we virtually entirely ignore. I'm also not sure why atmospheres are necessary for a planet to be interesting either. But that's just me. *shrugs*

I've been to all three. Moho and Dres are interesting just because they're such a pain to get to. And Eeloo has it's own curiosities.

[CalMacDa]

Atmospheres make missions easier, and bigger planets typically host atmospheres. Bigger is better! And the you can aerobrake. Everyone love that

[a2soup]

I actually love Moho because it's the hard mode of sandbox. Yes, it's a b**** to get there and back. Yes, the finicky details of your transfer will make a huge difference. That's the point. Want an easy transfer? Go to Duna. Moho is there for when you're feeling like a challenge.

Also, mohole FTW

Edited January 3, 2015 by a2soup

[merendel]

I've been to them all although I've only been to dres once. Thats mostly because its just a .... brown copy of Mun with a long scar thats alot further out. Its prety much pointless to go to as asside from that canyon you can get much the same experience in your backyard with less waiting. Moho's fun just cause its hard to hit that fast little bugger and even harder to slow down for more than a flyby. It also has a window every couple of weeks so you can almost leave on a whim for it. Eeloo... well its eeloo, who wouldnt want to go to such a cool sounding planet

[cantab]

Wow. I'm surprised at Pol and Bop. Not only is Bop bigger than Minmus, but they're both far bigger than Gilly than I thought. Also, they're very different from each other in size. I've been to both multiple times and always thought of them as "A little bigger than Gilly"

Bop looks small because it's all irregular and lumpy, much like Gilly. But Bop's lumps and bumps are actually over 22 kilometres high!

Personally I didn't really realise that Eeloo is so close in size to the Mun, and Ike so much smaller. And I definitely didn't think Vall was bigger than Moho (and nearly the size of Duna!), most delta-V charts I've seen give Moho as the higher dV to reach low orbit.

[CalMacDa]

The new planned moon for Gas Planet 2, Fonso, will have mountains reaching into the vacuum... That means you can be in space on the planet! That is neat. It will also have a thick atmosphere. I look forward to seeing that moon

[Kesa]

No no no no... Gilly is TINY... When I had just started playing KSP and asked my friend what Gilly was like, he used the metaphor "The force of a decoupler could send you to orbit"

When you hack gravity on Gilly, you actually doubles its gravity

[Bill Phil]

It takes so much Dv to brake into Moho orbit because you're generally coming from a higher orbit, and so the velocity is more. Not so much size, just proximity to Kerbol.

[CalMacDa]

When you hack gravity on Gilly, you actually doubles its gravity

ohhhhhhh BURNED

[zarakon]

We choose to go there because it is hard!

I think I've tried Moho 3 times. One was a high speed impact and another was a flyby, both due to not having enough delta-v to slow down. I believe I landed a third attempt, but it was just a probe.

I may have been to Dres once. I don't really remember since it's such a boring place anyway.

I once sent a Kerbal to Eeloo, which turned out to be a one-way trip.

I agree that it would be nice for these planets to have some more features to make them unique and interesting once you get there.