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something is seriously wrong.. this heat thing, I can't solve it no matter what I do - going back to stock and redoing all the mods, will let you know if the problem persists after doing so. However the ModuleRCSFX suggestion did work for the RCS thrusters I was putting together :)

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The foldable and non foldable radiator share the same part. But just because that KSP plugin can find a unfold actiongroup, doesn't mean it is actualy avialble for all radiators

OK, thanks. I was worried that I was missing out on what little efficiency I had! :) I don't suppose there's any way to easily remove that option from the action group menu? Not asking for myself, but I'm thinking it'll save you answering the same question when others pick up this mod and think the same thing I did! :wink:

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I found the heat problem! It's coming from DRE. For whatever reason with DRE installed, the max temp of the 1.25m thermal turbojet is 1375K, whereas you take out DRE and the max temp is *double that*. The TTJ's internal temp stabilizes at around 2200K on non-atmospheric fuels, so... that explains it all. FreeThinker - is this something DRE needs to fix or is it something for this mod?

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There is also a problem with kOS caused by either Interstellar Fuel Switch or Cross Feed Enabler. Using these mods makes kOS calculate fuel in stage as always equal to the amount of fuel in the vessel, which means that if a stage is empty it will still consider there to be a fuel in it.

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I found the heat problem! It's coming from DRE. For whatever reason with DRE installed, the max temp of the 1.25m thermal turbojet is 1375K, whereas you take out DRE and the max temp is *double that*. The TTJ's internal temp stabilizes at around 2200K on non-atmospheric fuels, so... that explains it all. FreeThinker - is this something DRE needs to fix or is it something for this mod?

Thanks for the find, I will simply override the maximum temperature, I was planning to do it anyway

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I have finally caught the weird timewarp bug with steps to fully reproduce with clean installation of KSPI with several other mods, which are:

B9 Aerospace procedural wing

Community Resource Pack

CrossFeedEnabler

FAR

Interstellar Fuel Switch

RPM

KAS

KIS

MechJeb

ModularFlightIntegrator (for FAR)

Pilot Assistant

RealFuels

SolverEngines (for RealFuels)

Throttle Controlled Avionics

TweakScale

Waypoint Manager

Setup:

VOTd6QH.jpg

1 1.25 OMEGA fusion reactor with 1.25m charged particle generator with 0.625m molten salt reactor with KTEC solid state generator. As you can see, there are enough radiators to radiate all the heat.

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Reactor is running normal at 1x

boRprG4.jpg

Reactor is stable at 50x warp, with some hiccups in the power at beginning and it stabilized

F1LpsuW.jpg

Decreasing it to 10x warp makes the reactor hiccups in power and it kills itself, while the fission reactors are stable at their full power

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I noticed something weird, your charged power reserve decreases as you increase timewarp, it should increase as you need a larger buffer at higher timewarp. When the buffer get's to small, it will starve the generator, causing the reactor lose the ability to maintain it's fusion, causing the reactor to lose the ability to produce charged particles, causing shutdown.

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I am having a new interesting problem with my radiators, their heat disipation appears to be about 1/10th of 1% of what they use to be.

This use to dissipate about .25 Terrawatts of heat that was produced.

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* Also, for some reason the microwave receiver is gone, and caused a lot of my vehicles to be locked. (I backed up all my saves before upgrading after bringing my kerbals back home and cleared most of the things but just saying)

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Weird, I didn't remember changing anything about the microwave recievers. Are some files missing?

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I am having a new interesting problem with my radiators, their heat disipation appears to be about 1/10th of 1% of what they use to be.

This use to dissipate about .25 Terrawatts of heat that was produced.

http://s8.postimg.org/lqdrw3h51/image.png

* Also, for some reason the microwave receiver is gone, and caused a lot of my vehicles to be locked. (I backed up all my saves before upgrading after bringing my kerbals back home and cleared most of the things but just saying)

Please check you log and look if it mentions NaN anywhere

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Here is another bit of weirdness. You can see that the tri-fuel cryostat looks like it is bugging out, along with another view of the radiators not working well.

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Here is a copy of the log of that flight till it crashed.

[LOG 04:11:48.849] 6/4/2015 4:11:48 AM,KerbalAlarmClock,Adding DrawGUI to PostRender Queue

[LOG 04:11:48.850] 6/4/2015 4:11:48 AM,KerbalAlarmClock,Skipping version check

[LOG 04:11:48.920] 6/4/2015 4:11:48 AM,KerbalAlarmClock,Contracts System Ready

[LOG 04:11:48.922] Contracts Loaded

[LOG 04:11:48.922] PARAM

{

name = PartRequestParameter

state = Incomplete

values = 0,0,0,0,0

title = Have a research lab at the station

partNames = Large_Crewed_Lab,StnSciLab,StnSciZoo

moduleNames = ModuleScienceLab

}

[LOG 04:11:48.923] PARAM Large_Crewed_Lab,StnSciLab,StnSciZoo

[LOG 04:11:48.924] PARAM

{

name = PartRequestParameter

state = Incomplete

values = 0,0,0,0,0

title = Have a viewing cupola at the station

partNames = cupola

moduleNames =

}

[LOG 04:11:48.925] PARAM cupola

[LOG 04:11:48.926] PARAM

{

name = PartRequestParameter

state = Incomplete

values = 0,0,0,0,0

title = Have a research lab at the station

partNames = Large_Crewed_Lab,StnSciLab,StnSciZoo

moduleNames = ModuleScienceLab

}

[LOG 04:11:48.927] PARAM Large_Crewed_Lab,StnSciLab,StnSciZoo

[LOG 04:11:48.955] [ORS] Loading atmospheric data from pack: KSPI_AtmosphericPack

[LOG 04:11:48.980] [PlanetariumCamera]: Focus: Interplanetary Explorer 1.0

[LOG 04:11:49.235] Flight State Captured

[LOG 04:11:49.250] Saving Achievements Tree...

[LOG 04:11:49.250] Saving Achievements Tree...

[LOG 04:11:49.251] Saving Achievements Tree...

[LOG 04:11:49.252] Saving Achievements Tree...

[LOG 04:11:49.252] Saving Achievements Tree...

[LOG 04:11:49.253] Saving Achievements Tree...

[LOG 04:11:49.254] Saving Achievements Tree...

[LOG 04:11:49.255] Saving Achievements Tree...

[LOG 04:11:49.255] Saving Achievements Tree...

[LOG 04:11:49.668] Game State Saved as persistent

[LOG 04:11:50.946] [interplanetary Explorer 1.0]: ground contact! - error: 0.055m

[LOG 04:11:50.947] Unpacking Interplanetary Explorer 1.0

[LOG 04:11:55.739] Launcher here(in write): False

[LOG 04:11:58.978] activating stage 0 - current stage: 1

[LOG 04:11:58.979] [computerCore]: Activated

[LOG 04:11:58.979] [asasmodule1-2]: Activated

[LOG 04:11:58.980] [FNHeliumCryostat]: Activated

[LOG 04:11:58.981] [stackPoint1]: Activated

[LOG 04:11:58.981] [FNHeliumCryostat]: Activated

[LOG 04:11:58.982] [microwaveTransmitter]: Activated

[LOG 04:11:58.982] [stackPoint1]: Activated

[LOG 04:11:58.983] [FNHeliumCryostat]: Activated

[LOG 04:11:58.984] [microwaveTransmitter]: Activated

[LOG 04:11:58.984] [stackPoint1]: Activated

[LOG 04:11:58.985] [FNHeliumCryostat]: Activated

[LOG 04:11:58.985] [microwaveTransmitter]: Activated

[LOG 04:11:58.986] [microwaveTransmitter]: Activated

[LOG 04:11:58.986] [stackPoint1]: Activated

[LOG 04:11:58.987] [FNHeliumCryostat]: Activated

[LOG 04:11:58.988] [microwaveTransmitter]: Activated

[LOG 04:11:58.988] [microwaveTransmitter]: Activated

[LOG 04:11:58.989] [FNInlineRefineryLarge]: Activated

[LOG 04:11:58.989] [interstellarPlasmaThruster]: Activated

[LOG 04:11:58.990] [radiator2]: Activated

[LOG 04:11:58.991] [radiator2]: Activated

[LOG 04:11:58.991] [radiator2]: Activated

[LOG 04:11:58.992] [radiator2]: Activated

[LOG 04:11:58.992] [LargeFNGenerator]: Activated

[LOG 04:11:58.993] [FNFissionFusionCatReactor]: Activated

[LOG 04:11:58.993] [smallFNGenerator]: Activated

[LOG 04:11:58.994] [trussPiece3x]: Activated

[LOG 04:11:58.994] [AntimatterCollector]: Activated

[LOG 04:11:58.995] [trussPiece3x]: Activated

[LOG 04:11:58.996] [AntimatterCollector]: Activated

[LOG 04:11:58.996] [trussPiece3x]: Activated

[LOG 04:11:58.997] [AntimatterCollector]: Activated

[LOG 04:11:58.997] [trussPiece3x]: Activated

[LOG 04:11:58.998] [AntimatterCollector]: Activated

[LOG 04:11:58.998] [trussPiece3x]: Activated

[LOG 04:11:58.999] [AntimatterCollector]: Activated

[LOG 04:11:59.000] [trussPiece3x]: Activated

[LOG 04:11:59.000] [AntimatterCollector]: Activated

[LOG 04:11:59.001] [trussPiece3x]: Activated

[LOG 04:11:59.001] [AntimatterCollector]: Activated

[LOG 04:11:59.002] [trussPiece3x]: Activated

[LOG 04:11:59.002] [AntimatterCollector]: Activated

[LOG 04:11:59.003] [AntimatterTank250]: Activated

[LOG 04:11:59.004] [FNDeuteriumCryostat]: Activated

[LOG 04:11:59.004] [HexCanUraniumN]: Activated

[LOG 04:11:59.005] [HexCanUraniumN]: Activated

[LOG 04:11:59.005] [radial.atmospheric.scoop2]: Activated

[LOG 04:11:59.006] [radial.atmospheric.scoop2]: Activated

[LOG 04:11:59.007] [mumech.MJ2.AR202]: Activated

[LOG 04:12:05.746] Launcher here(in write): False

[LOG 04:12:16.040] Launcher here(in write): False

[LOG 04:12:26.044] Launcher here(in write): False

[LOG 04:12:36.074] Launcher here(in write): False

[LOG 04:12:46.093] Launcher here(in write): False

[LOG 04:12:56.112] Launcher here(in write): False

[LOG 04:13:06.130] Launcher here(in write): False

[LOG 04:13:16.133] Launcher here(in write): False

[LOG 04:13:26.161] Launcher here(in write): False

[LOG 04:13:36.174] Launcher here(in write): False

[LOG 04:13:46.179] Launcher here(in write): False

[LOG 04:13:56.195] Launcher here(in write): False

[LOG 04:14:06.205] Launcher here(in write): False

[LOG 04:14:16.221] Launcher here(in write): False

[LOG 04:14:26.231] Launcher here(in write): False

[LOG 04:14:36.247] Launcher here(in write): False

[LOG 04:14:46.261] Launcher here(in write): False

[LOG 04:14:56.285] Launcher here(in write): False

[LOG 04:15:06.290] Launcher here(in write): False

[LOG 04:15:16.307] Launcher here(in write): False

[LOG 04:15:26.324] Launcher here(in write): False

[LOG 04:15:36.340] Launcher here(in write): False

[LOG 04:15:46.342] Launcher here(in write): False

[LOG 04:15:56.397] Launcher here(in write): False

[LOG 04:16:06.404] Launcher here(in write): False

[LOG 04:16:16.421] Launcher here(in write): False

[LOG 04:16:26.437] Launcher here(in write): False

[LOG 04:16:36.447] Launcher here(in write): False

[LOG 04:16:46.457] Launcher here(in write): False

[LOG 04:16:56.463] Launcher here(in write): False

[LOG 04:17:06.476] Launcher here(in write): False

[LOG 04:17:16.481] Launcher here(in write): False

[LOG 04:17:21.009] Active Vessel is in atmosphere. Cannot save.

[LOG 04:17:26.499] Launcher here(in write): False

[LOG 04:17:34.136] [00:05:01]: Plasma Thruster splashed down hard and was destroyed.

[LOG 04:17:34.138] [interstellarPlasmaThruster]: Deactivated

[LOG 04:17:34.190] [00:05:01]: Phased Array Microwave Transceiver splashed down hard and was destroyed.

[LOG 04:17:34.191] [microwaveTransmitter]: Deactivated

[LOG 04:17:34.198] [00:05:01]: 3.75m Inline Refinery splashed down hard and was destroyed.

[LOG 04:17:34.232] [FNInlineRefineryLarge]: Deactivated

[LOG 04:17:34.238] [00:05:01]: Huge Heat Radiator splashed down hard and was destroyed.

[LOG 04:17:34.239] [radiator2]: Deactivated

[LOG 04:17:34.242] [radiator2]: Deactivated

[LOG 04:17:34.243] [radiator2]: Deactivated

[LOG 04:17:34.245] [radiator2]: Deactivated

[LOG 04:17:34.289] [WarpPlugin] Generator Shutdown: No radiators available!

[LOG 04:17:34.289] [WarpPlugin] Generator Shutdown: No radiators available!

[LOG 04:17:34.291] [00:05:01]: Advanced Reaction Wheel Module, Large splashed down hard and was destroyed.

[LOG 04:17:34.306] [asasmodule1-2]: Deactivated

[LOG 04:17:34.312] [00:05:01]: Interstellar Cryostat splashed down hard and was destroyed.

[LOG 04:17:34.316] [stackPoint1]: Deactivated

[LOG 04:17:34.321] [stackPoint1]: Deactivated

[LOG 04:17:34.326] [stackPoint1]: Deactivated

[LOG 04:17:34.330] [stackPoint1]: Deactivated

[LOG 04:17:34.332] [FNHeliumCryostat]: Deactivated

[LOG 04:17:34.336] [FNHeliumCryostat]: Deactivated

[LOG 04:17:34.338] [00:05:01]: Phased Array Microwave Transceiver splashed down hard and was destroyed.

[LOG 04:17:34.339] [microwaveTransmitter]: Deactivated

[LOG 04:17:34.340] [00:05:01]: Interstellar Cryostat splashed down hard and was destroyed.

[LOG 04:17:34.343] [FNHeliumCryostat]: Deactivated

[LOG 04:17:34.345] [00:05:01]: Phased Array Microwave Transceiver splashed down hard and was destroyed.

[LOG 04:17:34.346] [microwaveTransmitter]: Deactivated

[LOG 04:17:34.348] [00:05:01]: Interstellar Cryostat splashed down hard and was destroyed.

[LOG 04:17:34.353] [FNHeliumCryostat]: Deactivated

[LOG 04:17:34.355] [00:05:01]: Phased Array Microwave Transceiver splashed down hard and was destroyed.

[LOG 04:17:34.356] [microwaveTransmitter]: Deactivated

[LOG 04:17:34.358] [microwaveTransmitter]: Deactivated

[LOG 04:17:34.359] [00:05:01]: Interstellar Cryostat splashed down hard and was destroyed.

[LOG 04:17:34.363] [FNHeliumCryostat]: Deactivated

[LOG 04:17:34.364] [00:05:01]: Phased Array Microwave Transceiver splashed down hard and was destroyed.

[LOG 04:17:34.365] [microwaveTransmitter]: Deactivated

[LOG 04:17:34.425] [00:05:01]: Computer Core splashed down hard and was destroyed.

[LOG 04:17:34.453] [computerCore]: Deactivated

[LOG 04:17:34.463] [00:05:01]: Charged Particles Electric Generator splashed down hard and was destroyed.

[LOG 04:17:34.492] [LargeFNGenerator]: Deactivated

[LOG 04:17:34.494] [00:05:01]: Antimatter Initiated Reactor splashed down hard and was destroyed.

[LOG 04:17:34.520] [FNFissionFusionCatReactor]: Deactivated

[LOG 04:17:34.522] [00:05:01]: Uranium Nitride Tank splashed down hard and was destroyed.

[LOG 04:17:34.523] [HexCanUraniumN]: Deactivated

[LOG 04:17:34.525] [HexCanUraniumN]: Deactivated

[LOG 04:17:34.526] [00:05:01]: Large Radial Atmospheric Scoop splashed down hard and was destroyed.

[LOG 04:17:34.527] [radial.atmospheric.scoop2]: Deactivated

[LOG 04:17:34.529] [radial.atmospheric.scoop2]: Deactivated

[LOG 04:17:34.530] [00:05:01]: MechJeb 2 (AR202 case) splashed down hard and was destroyed.

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I found something weird in the low:


[LOG 10:43:46.827] Load(Texture): WarpPlugin/Parts/Utility/microwaveReceiver/model000
[LOG 10:43:46.828] Load(Texture): WarpPlugin/Parts/Utility/microwaveSphereReceiver/model000
[EXC 10:43:46.831] EndOfStreamException: Failed to read past end of stream.
System.IO.BinaryReader.FillBuffer (Int32 numBytes)
System.IO.BinaryReader.ReadUInt32 ()
DatabaseLoaderTexture_DDS.Read (System.String filename)
DatabaseLoaderTexture_DDS+.MoveNext ()
UnityEngine.MonoBehaviour:StartCoroutine(IEnumerator)
:MoveNext()
[LOG 10:43:46.833] Load(Texture): WarpPlugin/Parts/Utility/microwaveSphereReceiver/model001
[EXC 10:43:46.833] EndOfStreamException: Failed to read past end of stream.
System.IO.BinaryReader.FillBuffer (Int32 numBytes)
System.IO.BinaryReader.ReadUInt32 ()
DatabaseLoaderTexture_DDS.Read (System.String filename)
DatabaseLoaderTexture_DDS+.MoveNext ()
UnityEngine.MonoBehaviour:StartCoroutine(IEnumerator)
:MoveNext()

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Here is the effect with a clean install. I still do not have the microwave receiver. This is done with reactors since my generators are not in this save but you can see weirdness, this is after running for about a min.

image.png

* There are no other radiators on this ship other than the ones visible. Total power with the 2 reactors is roughly 50GW.

*The ONLY mod installed with this is tweakscale.

* I removed tweakscale.... And everything works perfect when I build a new ship, the old one still has the bugs....

image.png

Maybe it has something to do with tweak scale, or maybe it has something to do with the reactors producing 20x the power.

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I'm not sure how this is possible, but I did a transplant of the microwaveReciever files of an older version and suddenly it works again, The dss files somehow got corruped, no idea how. possibly more files got corrupted

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Here is the effect with a clean install. I still do not have the microwave receiver. This is done with reactors since my generators are not in this save but you can see weirdness, this is after running for about a min.

http://s13.postimg.org/pjvp1cmuf/image.png

* There are no other radiators on this ship other than the ones visible. Total power with the 2 reactors is roughly 50GW.

*The ONLY mod installed with this is tweakscale.

Please check if the problem also arrises on an older version, I'm starting to beleive something got corrupt in the packaging

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I have to get to bed, I hope I have been helpful somehow.

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Please check if the problem also arises on an older version, I'm starting to believe something got corrupt in the packaging

These problems did not happen in 1.1.14 I deleted the directories that this plugin affects and copied it in and that's when these troubles started. Edit the parts with tweakscale in your tests, I think that somehow it is affecting this mod as removing it caused everything except the receiver to work in 1.1.15

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I'm not sure how this is possible, but I did a transplant of the microwaveReciever files of an older version and suddenly it works again, The dss files somehow got corruped, no idea how. possibly more files got corrupted

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Please check if the problem also arrises on an older version, I'm starting to believe something got corrupt in the packaging

I too did a transplant from older version (1.1.10) and the thermal receivers are there and appear to work. However, the microwave receiver dish is still not in the parts window or linking to saved vessels.

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I too did a transplant from older version (1.1.10) and the thermal receivers are there and appear to work. However, the microwave receiver dish is still not in the parts window or linking to saved vessels.

I used 1.1.13, at which point I'm sure it worked

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Btw, has anyone tested the new FuelTanks yet, and what do you think of them? I added them because people were complaining of a lack of choice and variarity and high tech requirments for the fuel tanks

Fuel Tanks:

[TABLE=class: grid, width: 1200]

[TR]

[TD]Title

[/TD]

[TD]Technology

[/TD]

[TD]Volume (Liter)

[/TD]

[TD]Mass (mT)

[/TD]

[TD]Boiloff Exposure

[/TD]

[TD]Power Req (kW)

[/TD]

[TD]Breaking Force

[/TD]

[TD]Special[/TD]

[/TR]

[TR]

[TD]X48

[/TD]

[TD]High Performance Fuel Systems[/TD]

[TD]48000[/TD]

[TD]6[/TD]

[TD]28000[/TD]

[TD]70[/TD]

[TD]250[/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[/TR]

[TR]

[TD]X24

[/TD]

[TD]High Performance Fuel Systems[/TD]

[TD]24000[/TD]

[TD]3[/TD]

[TD]16000[/TD]

[TD]45[/TD]

[TD]250[/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[/TR]

[TR]

[TD]X16

[/TD]

[TD]Advanced Fuel Systems[/TD]

[TD]16000[/TD]

[TD]2[/TD]

[TD]14000[/TD]

[TD]35[/TD]

[TD]200[/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[/TR]

[TR]

[TD]X12[/TD]

[TD]High Performance Fuel Systems[/TD]

[TD]12000[/TD]

[TD]1.5[/TD]

[TD]10000[/TD]

[TD]25[/TD]

[TD]200[/TD]

[TD]NoseCone[/TD]

[/TR]

[TR]

[TD]X8

[/TD]

[TD]Advanced Fuel Systems

[/TD]

[TD]8000[/TD]

[TD]1[/TD]

[TD]8000[/TD]

[TD]20[/TD]

[TD]200[/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[/TR]

[TR]

[TD]X10

[/TD]

[TD]Large Volume Containment[/TD]

[TD]10000[/TD]

[TD]0.5[/TD]

[TD]8000[/TD]

[TD]20[/TD]

[TD]50[/TD]

[TD]Radial[/TD]

[/TR]

[TR]

[TD]X2

[/TD]

[TD]High Performance Fuel Systems[/TD]

[TD]2000[/TD]

[TD]0.25[/TD]

[TD]2000[/TD]

[TD]5[/TD]

[TD]190[/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[/TR]

[/TABLE]

The first interstellar fueltanks get available with Advanced Fuel Systems, the X16 and X8. With Large Volume Containment, the X10 radial fuel tank comes available which is optimised for minimum mass but is not suitable for high speed atmospheric flight. The X48 and X24 and X2 are high performance tanks, with higher volumes and lower cryostat power cost.

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[h=2]Version 1.1.16 for Kerbal Space Program 1.0.2[/h] Released on 2015-06-04

  • Fixed overheating Thermal nozzle/turbojet caused by reduced maximum part temperature overridden by Deadly Reentry
  • Fixed loading Microwave Dish receiver and Thermal Microwave receiver
  • Fixed Small Fusion Engine power stability
  • Fixed Reactor Waste-heat stability

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Version 1.1.16 for Kerbal Space Program 1.0.2

Released on 2015-06-04

  • Fixed overheating Thermal nozzle/turbojet caused by reduced maximum part temperature overridden by Deadly Reentry
  • Fixed loading Microwave Dish receiver and Thermal Microwave receiver
  • Fixed Small Fusion Engine power stability
  • Fixed Reactor Waste-heat stability

I am pleased to report that everything that seemed to be wrong in .15 now works again in .16 Including changing sizes with tweakscale.

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I was looking at my RTG mod that uses Plutonium-238 and ModuleElementRadioactiveDecay. I note that the RL decay constant of Tritium is 1.784e-9 Bequerels (from wolfram Alpha), while the cfg value for decayConstant for LqdTritium is 1.7915586e-9. Is this an error/oversight/inherited, or is there a reason for this from the way the game's physics system works?

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