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Stumbled on some minor forgotten lore regarding LOX-cooled rocket engines. The Russians were really good at this, though the only one I know of for sure is the American Launcher Space's (now Vast's) E-2 kerelox staged-combustion engine... which had a Russian designer on the team. The US, though, seemed to take it as read that you just shouldn't use LOX to cool. But it seems that didn't stop NASA experimenting. I found a photo in an archive of a small, LOX-cooled engine chamber and nozzle: https://nara.getarchive.net/media/lox-liquid-oxygen-cooled-engine-jet-at-the-rocket-engine-test-facility-retf-8c2f44 The photo was taken in 1979. Some more digging indicated a 1980 experiment where kerelox was introduced: https://nara.getarchive.net/media/liquid-oxygen-cooled-lox-rp-1-rocket-engine-48d37b Aaaand that's where my trail ends. I can't even find a paper. So far as I know, the experiment was small enough that it didn't make any waves and rocket engineers continued to declaim LOX for cooling.

Here's a site to browse (archive.org because the images would be otherwise broken): Introduction to Future Launch Vehicle Plans From the archives of sci.space.tech: Fuel Table A piece of the puzzle of the lack of rapid reuse on the Shuttle was the culture. The example I remember is the stripping down of the RS-25: they could probably have gotten away with less invasive inspections and increased the lifetime and reliability of the engines if it hadn't, but they had already gone to the trouble of installing the process, and no-one would or could argue for less caution on one of the most complex systems ever flown. So they were stripped down and rebuilt after every flight, even if nothing was wrong. Liquid-fuelled boosters, first flyback then sea-landed, were proposed and would also have assisted in reusability, but the compromises were already settling in even as the 70s dawned. The military's experience with solid rockets was always in the background. They could be stored! They were safe to handle! They gave a kick to all sorts of early rockets at just the right time. Telling Thiokol "no" would have made it a better reusable vehicle but also extended the development. No-one was making the F-1 any more, though the expertise was still around, and there was an improved, simplified F-1A under design when Saturn V production was shut down in 1968. (Yes, it was shut down before Apollo 11.) Methalox was just not seriously considered for most of the US space program (Ignition! only gives it a passing mention), though propalox is a good might-have-been: oxygen's close boiling point to propane's melting point allowing common bulkheads, propane's self-pressurising nature, and the specific impulse and chilled bulk density being comparable to kerosene were attractive. The issues with clogging/corroding the fuel channels in the rocket nozzle were not. But maybe, with research money flowing in, they find out early that sub-chilling precipitates out the sulphur impurities that caused the damage. Or they literally plate the channels with gold. Peroxide/kerosene would have made for a good 1st-stage booster that burns very cleanly, but the US has always been twitchy around high-test, 90-98% peroxide or HTP. Ask two different rocket scientists and you'll get three different opinions over how difficult it is to handle. In my humble opinion, it is far safer than the classic UMDH/N2O4.

Not saying you couldn't, but. In RTLS, the timings are pretty strict. The sooner you flip and boostback burn to cancel out forward velocity, the closer you are to your landing site and the more reserve propellant you have to land. Or the less reserve propellant you need. The booster is also going on a high trajectory so it's staging in a part of the atmosphere that's barely there. It is essentially a spaceship. Figuring out when and how fast to flip this giant stick will have to be tested. Edit: Batcrap idea - let it fly side-on for a bit to slow and then continue the flip a tad slower.

As I think SpaceX might have alluded to once or twice, they have a modest heavy-lift vehicle in the works. That would make for a fair delivery system for a SBSP system. It wouldn't even need to be that lightweight, so it could be constructed on the ground. Hell, take some domestic panels, add what shielding and hardening you think it might need, boost and see what breaks. Repeat a few times, and see if they work or they need to be built specially.

I can think of a reason: If a computer server is in orbit, it's a little harder for an authority - any authority - to shut it down.

How expensive will it be to fly an expendable SuperHeavy and a reusable StarShip? Say they don't crack hot-staging, the refurbishment turns out to be uneconomic or whatever. This is an inverse of the usual paradigm, but I'm throwing ideas around.

If we're bringing fiction in here, the Night's Dawn trilogy had combat wasps, missiles with computerised submunitions made to counter other combat wasps and I think DE.

Eager Space released this vid on how SS/SH, specifically designed to RTLS, stages differently from Falcon 9 and other rockets:

It does make it harder but... Go check out the presentation PDF I linked. In it there's a table of how long the laser beam is incident on the outgoing spacecraft and over what distance - a boost phase, in other words. For the Earth-Moon boost, that's 6.8 hours and 10,000 km. For Mars, it's 1.2 hours and 30,000km. The spacecraft will then flip and be decelerated by a laser on the surface or in orbit. As I said, the deceleration hardware has to be sent on ahead. The electrical requirements are high but not onerous: 10 megawatts. E.g. the iROSA solar panel arrays on the ISS generate 20 kW and mass 325 kg. Fifty of those or similar would be gargantuan, yes, but it's mass you only have to take with you once. Or build with ISRU on the lunar surface. Mars would take a gigawatt nuclear reactor, but a nuclear-electric rocket/laser powerplant could self-deliver itself. It does tickle me that these future PLTs follow near-torchship trajectories and literally have no brakes.

NASA is famous for hedging its bets. This falls under LIFT-1 and is just one technology demonstrator: https://blog.jatan.space/i/138608014/nasa-gets-serious-about-extracting-oxygen-on-the-moon I suppose these days the consequences of using a fossilised resource are more apparent in everyone's mind. Extracting oxygen from the bare rock or soil, however, just leaves more metals. The yield of oxygen isn't bad either.

Yes. The stated future performance is when it can bounce the photons back and forth 10,000 times. Currently, it's roughly 1000 times or so, which at 6.6mN per kilowatt is still better than most solar sails and micro-thrusters, and for a much lesser opportunity and deployment cost. There's nothing stopping you from encoding information into that laser both ways, either.

Not new news, but I found an interesting article about photonic laser thrusters and their potential to create a 'laser highway': https://spacesettlementprogress.com/enabling-a-multiplanetary-civilization-with-photonic-laser-thrusters/ Essentially, it uses a thin laser amplification medium and 99.99% reflective dielectric mirror on the powering spacecraft, with an identical mirror on the target spacecraft to bounce the laser light back and forth thousands of times, essentially turning it into a very long laser cavity itself. In the demonstration below a 500 watt infra-red laser, incident on a mock 750g cubesat, acts like a 500 kilowatt laser, with a measurable increase in thrust that pushes the satellite away and decelerates it. It's just 3.3 milliNewtons, but like a solar sail, this is continuous thrust that does not use propellant and has extremely high velocity. Because I know people will ask, the researcher says it is "insensitive to mirror motions". I haven't been able to access the journal he cites, though. (Y.K. Bae, Journal of Propulsion and Power, Vol. 37, pp. 400-407 (2021)) The slides and audio on this presentation are available, and they propose that a small 1-ton spacecraft (50% of that payload) with a 30m mirror and a 10 MW laser could reach the Moon in 20 hours with a beam incidence time of 6.8 hours - a delta-V of 11.6 km/s. The same mass with a 50m mirror and a gigawatt laser could reach Mars in 18.5 days and an incidence time of 1.2 hours - a phenomenal 141 km/s (with an acceleration of 3.4 gravities!). It presumes you sent on another gigawatt laser ahead to Mars so you could slow down. Or use that Mars laser and a new probe to do a flyby of the asteroids in 6-18 days, or Jupiter and its moons in 45 days. Impressive. It grew out of earlier research funded by NASA's NIAC, where the researcher was looking at formation-flying satellites that used laser light from the 'mother' or the 'flock' to move around in orbit. Thus one spacecraft could keep multiple others in orbit: https://www.nasa.gov/general/propellantless-spacecraft-formation-flying-and-maneuvering-with-photonic-laser-thrusters/

NASA, in partnership with Sierra Space, has extracted oxygen from lunar soil simulant in a vacuum. This is interesting because not only did they perform this in a vacuum chamber, they attempted to simulate focused energy from a heliostat with a 15kW laser. This has apparently bumped the TRL up to 6, and it's ready to be tested in space.

My goodness, the announcer actually sounds bored. Amazing.

Oh wow. Astronomy Live processed raw footage captured off the Keys and found that the front half of StarShip was relatively intact and tumbling: The front really did fall off!

Something else: the exhaust is hot enough to make orange-brown nitrogen dioxide as it blasts the atmosphere. Very lean-burning internal combustion engines have the same trouble, expelling nitrogen oxides as the oxygen is consumed. Although I also thought it was running fuel-rich at the start.

It doesn't look quite as zippy as SLS, but then I realise SH's carrying a lot more and I give it some slack. Those shockwaves look immense. RGV Aerial's view of the launch pad afterwards: https://i.redd.it/6eobv3gi451c1.jpg

I don't envy the job of figuring out how to stage those without causing pressurisation issues in the downcomers, but clearly their efforts worked.

That is a fair amount of tiles. Might be time to switch to the spray-on heatshield.

EA's Robocam not only revealed the immediate area outside the site was free of debris with some standing water, all the cameras set up were still standing. Edit: Got a shot of an angled solar panel with light-to-moderate dust deposition. I call this a win.

I noted that SH tried its best to flip after staging and succeeded even as the engines shut down. Which is why I was so surprised when it went boom. There was swearing. Edit: just before termination there is a big vent that matches the expanding cloud of gas after termination, and dwarfs the cold-gas thrusters. I think it was the hot-staging, and it caused a leak.

I noted that pre-launch the cloud of vapour blanketed the site and surroundings, so a weather satellite would pick up on clouds. I think that puff of vapour just after SECO we saw on EA's stream might have been the SS going bye-bye.

Over on NSF forums, someone has a timelapse gif of both RUDs caught on radar: https://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=59871.msg2541337#msg2541337 The puffs of green confetti are when the SH and then SS went boom.

Honestly, I was too damn anxious to register that it was flying so well until the booster had indeed kept up its full burn.

I saw NSF's shot of the OLM post-launch. It looked completely fine, but we'd need to see the ground. Edit: NSF's pad stream shows no debris, no chaos, looks pristine. Stage 0 upgrades seem to have worked.