Whirligig Girl

Oh, Thanks for the reminder, I totally forgot about the ice ages. THis means that even in it's current position, the Earth isn't always... erm... "Locked Golden".

Did you even read the whole OP? If Earth was moved toward the orbit of Venus it could sustain liquid water, and it could if it was moved out to Mars' orbit. The Goldilocks' Zone does actually exist, but not in the simple, and outdated way 3rd graders learn it. Earth's luck in it's habitability comes from the circumstances of it's formation, not so much its orbital position.

thanks for clearing it up.

Note that I'm not saying that for it's purposes the game's gravity doesn't work, it does. But I'm just clearing up a misconception when people talk about n-body physics, they say that KSP has 2-body physics, when the only real physics simulation is 1-body physics.

If a mother had sickle cell disease, but the child does not, in the womb would the child have sickle cells in their system until after birth when the Baby is self-sufficient in blood-cell production? Baby and mother are connected in the womb. THis is for an argument in science class, so I need to have a good source for the answer.

Brings me to an interesting point. What if they yawn, not because they know this, but instead because the information is just boring. I try to be enthusiastic and a bit funny, but it doesn't always work. How do I (or more importantly, the information) stay interesting?

Public North Carolina US school. Problem is that it's North Carolina.

Yes, under the op's rules, but that's bad.

Okay, so there is some truth to the GZ.

So you suggest I do tell them that the goldilocks zone isn't real, but instead tell them the other factors that lead to Liquid Water?

If you moved Earth to Venus, Liquid Water would still exist on the surface, same with Mars's orbit. This means that the definition of the Goldilocks zone depends on the characteristics of the planet itself. If you moved Venus out to Mars, it might even be able to support liquid water in some places. The goldilocks zone has nothing to do with the star, but the characteristics of the planet itself.

Videos don't work on my slow internet, can you give me the gist of it?

...The Problem is the curriculum talks about The Goldilocks's Zone, which is something that doesn't really exist. Earth could support liquid water at Mars, or at Venus, so the inside of the zone is rigged, and furthermore, liquid water exists underneath Europa, and Enceladus. Of course, I start out just making sure they actually know and understand the solar system, and lecture them about that, but what do I do when I reach The Earth's Place in The Solar System, I know they're just 8 years old but that doesn't mean they deserve to be taught outdated information! If I directly go against the lesson, the teacher (general subject teacher by the way, by no means a space expert) will think I'm crazy and tell her students I was lying, and again, I can't have them learn this. Help me bend the rules a bit here!

I'll keep this short. IRL, a small asteroid and a large ship orbiting it would wobble just a little bit, probably not noticable to the naked eye. Things attract each other, things have barycenters, even in 2-body physics, becuase we're only talking about 2-body physics. In KSP, all planets are on rails, so no matter how massive your ship is, it's not going to make Gilly wobble AT ALL. Only 1 body of the two bodies is actually having gravity simulated at a time, that's the spacecraft. Gilly is not attracted to the other ship, even if you use hacked parts with masses greater than that of the Sun. Of course, the same is said for Kerbin, Mun, Minmus, Eve, Duna, etc... Huh. I thought I said this would be short. Oh well.

2 weeks is not shocking, and the acceleration would be destructive anyway. A Hohmann Transfer Orbit would take several months, but even that's not that bad. You don't have to do a Hohmann Transfer either. Imagine you had enough Delta-V to sundive, but you bring your Perihelion up to a safe distance, then do a correction burn, you could get to Mars even quicker.

WANT MORE! capslock

If you didn't live in some place like North Carolina you could just build your own motor...

Fuel should be lightweight. It tends to be irl, correct me if I'm wrong, Hydrogen and Oxygen each in liquid form is less dense than water, right? I mean, I know that most of the Rocket's mass is fuel, but irl is LFO that heavy? If I recall correctly, the shuttle's tanks had to be very big even though they didn't hold much Hyrdrogen.

Jumbos are either full of air, vacuum, or lightweight fuel at any given time, so of course they float. Asteroids are dense chunks of rock.

Can someone port these images to the KSP Forums as s? Imgur doesn't work with my hyperslow internet.

Following Kerbals would be cool.

I recall way back in an old Dev stream, Claira Lyrae made a toolbox, which was meant to allow a Kerbal to do these things.

Precisely! Well, I was think Post-Kerbal-Extinction, but that works too.

14,000,000,001 BSF: Universe born 12,0120,640,235 BSF: First Star 2,456,200,000 BSF: Kerbol ignites deuterium fusion, Kerbolar System eccretion disk forms. 1,003,000,000 BSF: Kerbol ignites hydrogen fusion, Jool core forms 1,001,000,000 BSF: Jool system forms, Kerbin, Moho, Duna, Eve, Hydres, Porgeeus, and Eeloo forms. 994,000,000 BSF: Porgeeus collides with Kerbin, forming Mun. 992,000,000 BSF: Kerbin cools down, Minmus is captured by the Mun temporarily before being flung out further. 989,000,000 BSF: Hydres is broken by Jool into the asteroid belt, including Dres, the solid core of Hydres. 970,070,000 BSF: Comets from beyond the orbit of Eeloo rain down on the inner Kerbolar system, causing Laythe and Kerbin to gain oceans. 780,020,124 BSF: Gilly is caught by Eve. 600,032,000 BSF: Life develops on Kerbin. 599,999,900 BSF: Kerbin Atmosphere is as oxygenated as it is today. 569,910,000 BSF: First Multicellular life on Kerbin. 530,090,000 BSF: First Land Plant Life. 200,340,000 BSF: First Reptile, Dinosaurs. 54,000,000 BSF: first Mammal. 45,000,000 BSF: Last Mammal. 12,000,000 BSF: First Kerbaloid Amphibian. 3,000,000 BSF: Kerbalynx Crater forms*, extincting Dinosaurs and a single species of tree. *incidentally, Kerbaloids discovered fire and explosions shortly before then. 2,000,000 BSF: Kerbals evolve. 1,820,000 BSF: Kerbaloids go extinct. 900,000 BSF: Kerbals discover fire and explosives again. 900,001 BSF: Kerbals retreat into caves. for research at first, but then they don't want to leave. 100,000 BSF: First Rocket 93,000 BSF: Panspermia from Kerbin arrives at Laythe. 81,000 BSF: Kerbin does nothing, but Moho goes into a volcanic fit. 2,000 BSF: Kerbin starts civilisation. 1,945 BSF: Kerbals discover the 3.14(etc) Laws of motion. 240 BSF: Kerbal Astronomical Society is founded to study the universe outside of Kerbin. 241 BSF: Minmus is discovered, considered to be a planet at that time. 243 BSF: Duna is discovered. 214 BSF: Mun discovered, Minmus reclassified as a moon. 210 BSF: Kerbin is reclassified a planet. 198 BSF: Jool is discovered, Ike is discovered. 174 BSF: Konstantin Tsiolkerman writes the book: The Space Ship, about a hypothetical rocket ship that could go around the Kerbolar System, and he also finds that Dv=Ve*ln[R], as well as the fact that Ike is perfectly positioned to sneakily interfere with any object that presumes to come orbiting near Duna. 156 BSF: First closeup observations of Duna and Minmus due to new telescope technology. 130 BSF: Robert Kerman is born. 122 BSF: Dres is discovered, along with several other minor asteroids. 120 BSF: First spectograph 119 BSF: Eve, Moho are discovered, Kerbol is found to be a star, and spectographic images of all of the known planets are created. 96 BSF: Robert Kerman launches the first LiquidFueled rocket, and discovers that pendulum rockets are NOT a good idea. 76 BSF: Kerbin War One starts, leaving the Kerbal Astronomical Society abandoned. 75 BSF: Wernher von Kerman is born. 64 BSF: Kerbal Astronomical Society is rediscovered, Kerbin War One is over. 62 BSF: Eeloo is discovered, all-out brawls start all over Kerbin about wether it is a dwarf planet or not. 60 BSF: Dres and Eeloo no loonger considered planets. 53 BSF: Kerbin War Two Starts. 52 BSF: Wernher von Kerman begins working on large rockets for the Gomlonilian Guided Missle Program. 38 BSF: Kerbin War Two Ends. 35 BSF: Wernher von Kerman joins the Kerbal Astronomical Society. 28 BSF: Bill Kerman is born. 27 BSF: Kerbal Rocketry Union established. 26 BSF: Jebediah Kerman is born. 22 BSF: Bob Kerman is born. 21 BSF: The scientifically illeterate United Federal People's Democratic Kingdom of Omork drive KAS and KRU members to revolt and start a civil war. 17 BSF: The country of Kelpogart is created. 16 BSF: Omork-Kelpogart War ends. 12 BSF: Jebediah Kerman begins his buisness: Jebediah Kerman Junkyard and Spaceship Parts, Inc. 10 BSF: Bill and Bob work for Jeb. 9 BSF: Kelpogart allies with several countries and creates the Kerbal Space Program. 7 BSF: Ussari forms the Ussarian Space Commission. 5 BSF: Wernher von Kerman becomes head engineer for KSP. 3 BSF: Jebediah Kerman begins making new rocket parts for contractors at KSP, and signs up for the Astronaut Corps. 2 BSF: Vehicle Assembly Building is completed. AFTER THIS POINT, THIS IS JUST ONE WAY HISTORY CAN PLAY OUT, THIS IS WHEN THE DESIGNER ARRIVES TO PLAY KERBAL SPACE PROGRAM 1 BSF: First KSP rocket launch: A Kerbal-controlled Solid Rocket Booster piloted by Jebediah Kerman. Several months later, Bill Kerman explores the upper atmosphere in a liquid Fueled Rocket. 1 ASF: Ussarian rocket puts a Kerbal in space, KSP develops decouplers for staging. The Space Age Begins. 2 ASF: First orbital space ship launched by KSP. 3 ASF: Ussari Space Commission launches a communications satellite. 4 ASF: First heavier-than-air unpowered aircraft. 5 ASF: Jet Engines and better wings. 7 ASF: Kerbal Astronomical Society discovers Jool's Moons. 10 ASF: Kelpogart lands Kerbals on the Mun. 11 ASF: KSP rescues Kerbals from the Mun, and sends a probe to Minmus. 19 ASF: First probe to Eve. 24 ASF: first probe to Duna. 33 ASF: KSP and USC alliance is formed, and plans are developing to go on a grand tour, then bring a colony of Kerbals to Laythe and explore the Jool system. 46 ASF: Munoliths are discovered by mapping satellites. 47 ASF: Munoliths point towards Jool, speeding up the Jool ship development. 48 ASF: A black saucer is discovered on Kerbin's North Pole. 51 ASF: Orbital construction of Yrevocsid Jool ship begins. 52 ASF: the black saucer is cracked open, revealing the propulsion system inside. 56 ASF: the saucer's propulsion system is replicated in an Abvonovichatkaderivokistinian laboratory. 57 ASF: Abvonovichatkaderivokistan Space Program is founded, first Kraken-Drive is built and launched into orbit. 58 ASF: Kraken Drive perfected. 61 ASF: Yrevocsid is completed, Kerbals depart on the grand tour to Eve. 62 ASF: Yrevocsid arrives at Eve, landing party is sent, and the outpost is deployed. 63 ASF: Yrevoscid slingshots past Kerbin on it's way to Duna. 65 ASF: Yrevoscid arrives at Duna, outpost is deployed, and Ike probes are sent out. 67 ASF: Kraken-Drive proppelled ship Esirpretne is launched to a nearby star in hopes of finding intellignet life. Yrevoscid flies by Dres, and drops off probes. 69 ASF: KSP begins to commercialize space. 71 ASF: Yrevoscid drops off probes at Moho, makes dangerously close encounter with Kerbol. 72 ASF: Yrevoscid flies by Eve to correct course for Jool intercept. 76 ASF: Arrival at Jool, exploration of Joolian system commenses. Laythe colony is deployed, and outposts are set up in orbit and on the surface of Tylo, Vall, Laythe, and in orbit around Jool. 78 ASF: Yrevoscid completes Joolian exploration, deorbits into Jool uncrewed. 1 AWT: KSP and USC complete their own Kraken drives, and 10- day ferries commonly travel with cargo and tourists to the Jool colonies, outposts around the Kerbolar system stgart expanding. 2 AWT: A floating colony over Jool is deployed. 4 AWT: multicellular ecosystems are found on Laythe. 10 AWT: Esirpretne arrives at Sol. 11 AWT: Esirpretne aerobrakes into Low Earth Orbit, and studies the surface. Esirpretne nearly collides with the International Space Station. 12 AWT: First contact with Humans. 13 AWT: News of Human First Contact reaches Kerbolar System. 14 AWT: FTL communications is developed. 16 AWT: Aibmuloc starship is completed, with a new 25,100c Kraken Drive, designed to explore the galaxy, and will drop off the Asible FTL comms at Earth. 17 AWT: Aibmuloc returns Esirpretne to Kerbin for a 10,000c refit, with permission of the Abvonovichatkaderivokistan Space Program. 18 AWT: Kerbin unifies under the United Federal Kerbal's Democratic Kingdom of Kerbin. 25 AWT: Kerbin makes first contact with The Grox, goes to war. 32 AWT: Kerbin builds an Orion Nuclear Pulse+K-Drive Warship named Nognilk. 35 AWT: Nognilk rushes through The Grox territory, in an attempt to reach the Grox homeworld. 45 AWT: Nognilk is destroyed in battle. 59 AWT: Earth and Kerbin unite in The Interstellar Confederation of Kerbin, Laythe, Duna, Earth, and Mars. 73 AWT: Joolian colonies revolt and break free of the Interstellar Confederation, Laythe remains neutral. 94 AWT: Kerbal-Human marriage is made legal. 98 AWT: Eve's moon Gilly disappears after a new military project is announced. Nognilk II, a gigantic dreadnaught the size of Gilly is launched to The Grox's homeworld. 102 AWT: The Grox's homeworld is completely plasmated by Nognilk II's barage of relatavistic anti-matter warheads. 104 AWT: Nognilk II continues to destroy Grox worlds and colonize them. The assumed dead hulk of Nognilk I's ship is found, with the crew having survived and thrived underneath a lush world. It is discovered that Grox only colonize dead worlds, and lush worlds are toxic. 108 AWT: Nognilk II and Nognilk I, now re-christened Bojckaw, split up. 112 AWT: Aibmuloc returns from it's exploration of the Galaxy, towing the dead hulk of the Esirpretne with it. It is revealed that when Aibmuloc and Esirpretne discovered a civilisation called "Creater" that was under attack by a mysterious cyborg race, Edirpretne was badly damaged, and a replacement K-Drive could not be fabricated. 118 AWT: New exploration ships a built as a collaboration between Human and Kerbal engineers, Scientists, and Astronauts. "Fleet One" as they are called, untilize a new 785,360c K-Drive to get places much quicker than before. Among the fleet are: -Nognilk III: The Protector -Esirpretne II: The Workhorse Twin -Aibmuloc II: The Workhorse Twin -Adnarim: The Freighter -Namrekloist: The Explorer -Jebediah: The Leader -Bill: The Ambassador -Bob: The Scientist 126 AWT: Formal First Contact with the Creaters is made, and Solid Rocket Boosters, Liquid Fueled Rockets, and the concepts of spaceflight are given to the Creater, so that they may one day explore the stars much like Kerbals have. 145 AWT: Fleet One discovers the dead homeworld of The Drake, creators of the Munoliths, the Black Saucers, and the Mun Arches. 164 AWT: Fleet One is attacked and destroyed by a new and devastating Grox Fleet of over 4 million warships. 173 AWT: The Grox Fleet reaches Kerbin, Nognilk II is brought back to Kerbin to protect it. Kerbin is devastated. 189 AWT: The Grox reach Earth, and obliterate it completely. 203 AWT: The Grox continue their rampage on The Interstellar Confederation. Kerbin becomes completely dead. Only a few small interstellar space stations survive with the last of the Kerbals and the Humans. The Populations of Humans and Kerbals are so small, that Kerbal-Human interbreeding starts. THese Reptiliammals are much more like Humans than Kerbals. 1 PKE: Kerbals and Humans are both extinct, although both live on the the Hubals. There is only one Kerbal left in the world, the 314 year old Bob Kerman. Rumor has it that one human is left in the galaxy, hiding inside Groxian space. 259 PKE: A small Creater warship destroys all of The Grox, and finds the Hubal Interstellar Colonies. Hubals are transported to the planet Drakania, the lush planet the Drake lived on countless millenia ago. Hubals start building. 589 PKE: Hubals have spanned the entire globe of Drakania. 631 PKE: Hubals have established the Hubal Astronomical Union. 701 PKE: the dead hulk of the ancient Fleet One space ship "Aibmuloc" crash lands on Drakania. 804 PKE: In a tragic K-Drive test, Drakania is coverted into energy. 10,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 ,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 ASF: The heat death of the Universe. 10,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 ,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,001 ASF: Bob Kerman dies.

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