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8 hours ago, RealKerbal3x said:
Unexpected, but not surprising
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1 hour ago, kerbiloid said:
As a sign of cooperation, they decided to use the StarTrek color scheme, familiar to the Americans
Good thing they made the change after Ms. Peresild’s visit…
Spoiler
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1 hour ago, RCgothic said:
The overalls the cosmonauts were wearing as they came aboard today were exceedingly stylish, IMO.
It would seem it's their university colors. No one get excited.
yet.
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8 hours ago, Hyperspace Industries said:
Good news: First day of vacation baby!
. I did the best in my grade, with a staggering 118% .
This is clearly a violation of the laws of physics. Your physics teacher must not be very good.
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2 hours ago, RyanRising said:
Here’s a picture of the interior of the NT lander mockup:
Doesn’t look very similar to the airlock shown to me, besides being white and cylindrical.
I think maybe the airlock is below that?
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Wow, it’s cool to finally see some work on the “details” and interior, such that it is. And these pics are probably “ancient” and way behind what’s actually being done now, too.
Still curious about the white paint on Lunar Starship, what’s the point? If they need thermal rejection, isn’t the bare shiny steel better? Insulating blankets, maybe?
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About those aerocovers…
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26 minutes ago, RyanRising said:
Wonder if this means SpaceX is under cyberattack for their involvement in... uh, recent events?
I think, if they are not yet, they soon will be… and they are extremely aware of this fact.
Anyone wonder why Musk didn’t want his jet’s location broadcasted around now?
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8 hours ago, TheSaint said:
Wife: "Ah, good point. I'll warn her."
Also warn her the rest of the day people will be telling her “hey you got something on your face…”
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3 hours ago, Beccab said:
That doesn't seem correct, as Hubble's solar panels have already been replaced twice in orbit - here you can see the third set being installed in 2002 after the previous one was removed. No need for welding
This. Hubble has been serviced multiple times, including activities far in excess of how it was actually designed to be serviced (like replacing the solar panels, IIRC).
5 hours ago, Beamer said:It's like you're standing next to the fireman who just saved your entire family from your burning house and even remembered to bring the kitten and dog, and you're insisting they run back into the inferno to retrieve your high school chess trophy because it means so much to you. I find it immoral and indecent to even entertain the notion of asking that.
For all your talk of emotional attachment, you’ve certainly attached a lot of emotion to this.
A recovery service wouldn’t be all that different from any of the other servicing missions, other than using a different vehicle. Yes, there are problems to solve but they are all solvable problems.
5 hours ago, Beamer said:Dang, I seem to have picked at an open nerve, sorry about that
I'm going to assume that none of you have really thought through this idea of retrieving Hubble because frankly, the alternative explanations are a lot more unpleasant.
We shall have to agree to disagree, then.
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46 minutes ago, Beamer said:
What people are proposing is to heave up the Titanic, not to put a big plane on a truck and drive it a few hundred km. It's an entirely different order of magnitude in terms of effort and resources.
Breaking up the Spruce Goose and moving it hundreds of kilometers would have been nigh-impossible around the time it was built. When it was moved, it was fairly simple, because technology changed.
49 minutes ago, Beamer said:Given the choice I sincerely doubt anyone who actually did work on Hubble would choose bringing it back over putting up a Hubble v2.0. And yes, that IS what the choice would be, it's not a "we can do both" issue, because...
See, this is where our ways of thinking diverge. I sincerely doubt anyone who worked on Hubble would not want it recovered, if it were possible. And yes, it is a “we can do both” issue, because…
23 minutes ago, tater said:If Starship operational costs are even off by an order of magnitude,
This is the thing people don’t grok about Starship. It’s still revolutionary, it’s still a paradigm changer even if it’s numbers are off by orderS of magnitude. It really and truly has the potential to (eventually) make recovering Hubble not unlike calling a house-moving company today to come and move your house.
55 minutes ago, Beamer said:it's either going to end up in some rich guy's basement which defeats the purpose of serving as some perceived symbol for the people, or (if done 'right') being paid for out of NASA (and perhaps ESA's) pockets, reducing their ability to support new science missions.
The optics of “keeping it” if Musk or Bezos were to fund the recovery alone preclude any chance of that happening. It’s not reducing NASA’s budget if it’s specifically included by the congressional purse-masters, as it would likely be in such a scenario. Which is also even more likely if the cost of such a thing is “only” in the 10s of millions. Hubble’s life expectancy even today could be all the way out til 2040, that’s almost two decades of paradigms shifting to make it seem less daunting a proposition. On a timeframe like that, it likely wouldn’t even be the first such thing returned from space.
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4 hours ago, Beamer said:
I never really get this obsession with specific inanimate objects,
(I respect, but...) I just do not understand this mentality from some people. We, as humans, are more than just the sum of our parts. Were are not merely creatures of biology or the cold logic of machines, we are something more. That extends to giving things value beyond the sum of their parts, too. The Hubble is not merely a tool, it is an indelible piece of history, now, both for it's scientific and cultural contributions. Seeing a mock-up is just not the same thing as seeing in the flesh.
IfWhen I go to the Smithsonian, I want to see the actual Wright Flyer, the Shuttle Discovery, the Spirit of St. Louis. I want to see the actual thing that did the thing, not just a copy of it, because that thing has meaning because it did the thing. And Hubble belongs in there right along with all those other pieces of history.No, it probably would not be worth the effort to recover it with Shuttle-era hardware, and requisite expense. But Starship is not that, it has the potential to radically change paradigms in ways most people still don't entirely grok. Starship could, theoretically, return Hubble for relative pocket change. Yes, that's all entirely speculatory at this point, but so what? What's wrong with asking "what if?" That's another concept that is uniquely human and has led to some rather wonderous things. The Voyagers and Pioneers are too far out, the Veneras are probably half-melted (current politics notwithstanding), and whilst Opportunity absolutely should be on that list (bring him home!), that's a much, much longer pole. Hubble is unique in that it is both extremely significant and extremely accessible. There are problems to be solved with a recovery mission but they are all solvable problems, at least technically.
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And so it begins…
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3 hours ago, tater said:
Not sure what the point would be with Hubble. It would make more sense to send up a better telescope for the science aspect, and if there is concern about it as an artifact, send a robot to boost it to a better orbit if needed, and it can be dealt with later.
Why deal with it later if it could be deal with "now?" That's the kind of possibility Starship opens up. Bring it home, put it in a museum, hopefully before everyone who watched it launch is dead.
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9 hours ago, mikegarrison said:
Easier said than done. That would probably be the most complex space construction task done to date. I doubt they were designed to be removed. Most other space construction projects were very carefully designed in advance to be done. Maybe fixing Skylab was harder? Not sure.
The ISS was all designed to be put together as easily as possible.
IIRC Hubble’s panels have already been replaced once as part of a servicing mission, seems reasonable they could be removed again. Not an easy prospect, but things worth doing often are not. SpaceX is already working on crew accommodations, commercial EVAs, and most of the other building blocks required.
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On 2/22/2022 at 7:50 AM, kerbiloid said:
The right side of the road is to the south, the left side is to the north.
Because it's warmer at the right side, and the snow melts...
Backwards, but correct.
When it sticks around longer the left (south) side of the road where the sun never hits will be impassible while the right is bare & dry. I hate sunny days more than usual this time of year, nothing but that horrible low-angle sunlight that constantly manages to get in your eyes. 
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1 hour ago, sevenperforce said:
In this case it is less about the suitability of the vehicle and more about the suitability of the payload. Hubble can’t fold its solar panels up and slide back into Starship any more than it could have with the Shuttle. Similarly, the ISS modules originally lofted by the Shuttle are (largely) now permanently fixed to the rest of the ISS; it’s not straightforward to move them.
Solar panels can be removed/cut off. Even end-of-life modules could be somewhat roughly “uninstalled,” the goal is a museum piece, not a fully functional unit. There’s plenty of precedent of doing similar with aircraft, a la the Spruce Goose, doing so in space would be an evolution of that. Question is, what’s Starship’s Earth downmass?
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Snoooooooooooooooow!
…aaaaaaaand it’s gone.
Sigh. Another one of those Cascadia 24-hour snows, then back to mud.
10 hours ago, JoeSchmuckatelli said:Jealous!
Years ago I had a 50yo maple milled; got some absolutely gorgeous heartwood out of it!
I wish.
Hardwood is a hard find around here, they don’t call it the Evergreen State for nothin’. Have to settle for ol’ Doug Fir: the softer hardwood.
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Things You Can’t Tow with a Tesla #7: a whole flarping tree.
Well… most of one. Pretty sure this was over the 5klb tow rating, or at least dang close, the trailer struggled a bit to dump it. Still pulled it without issue… and stopped it, too. Only had to take it about a mile, anyway, for this:
I have so much lumber now.
A guy across the highway does custom milling, so instead of just chopping it up for firewood that nice old tree will become something else with long term appreciation. My complete lack of woodworking skills notwithstanding.
Gonna try to make a bench out of the big half-rounds, a couple of nice live-edge shelves… and 2x4s… lots and lots of 2x4s. Maybe a new woodshed for actual firewood.
On 2/14/2022 at 5:50 PM, StrandedonEarth said:Oh, probably, and worthless regardless, so who cares? But it’s the first time I got a reaction like that, and it’s fun (and addictive! That’s how these platforms work!) to watch the numbers go up. Until they stop, of course, but the wise people know it means nothing anyways. Teens, OTOh, need to be taught that.
I read somewhere that social media likes tickle the same receptors in the brain as… certain chemicals of questionable legality.
Makes perfect sense.
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21 minutes ago, mikegarrison said:
It's often not so easy. Not unless somebody recorded it. How do your prove what somebody said to you in private?
Racist graffiti should be easy to prove. Forced segregation of multiple people should be really easy to prove.
What I am saying is simple; show me evidence.
Thus far I have not seen any related to this case, just allegations.
And yes, these days “everyone” has a smart phone, even if that is not, in point of fact, *everyone.*
A recovery service wouldn’t be all that different from any of the other servicing missions, other than using a different vehicle. Yes, there are problems to solve but they are all solvable problems.
Chinese Space Program (CNSA) & Ch. commercial launch and discussion
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Holey—
That's around 350mph. The never-exceed speed on something like that is only around 380mph.