Pappystein

I mean, CobaltWolf has said doing stage 1 Europa I, II and III which as I recall are the basis for many of the ETS Euro rockets.

Awe man you mean I will have to put away my BREXIT BlueStreak? (yes I still have those files from a million years ago) I can't wait to see where this goes! I seriously can not wait until this is playable... Lots of fun toys in the inital posts already!

I am going to straight up guess that NOVA lives up to the Latin American meaning.... NO GO

string it out for another week? OK

Just so you all know. EVERY Rocket in BDB starts with the Letter B

So Tenor works but not Giffy, Good to know. Thank you for this most powerful of information....

YAY it wasn't me this time..... this time

I am 63% certain I have seen Cobalt build this before. You have to really dig into your "Cobalt Wolf Archives" however.... I will tell you if I am correct.... Someone is going to have to come up with new fuel mixtures because this thing is but isn't Hypergolic. Is but isn't storable, is but isn't able to melt humans just by touching it. IF my guess is correct, this rocket was mentioned on the last Livestream of Cobalt working I took part of almost a year ago I won't tell you the name but I will give you the first letter of what I think it is.... B

https://giphy.com/gifs/srPaLAtDTsKuk awe Gifs don't embed from Giphy... Anyway my answer sus it out from there

Illinois was listed at 28% complete meaning the lower hull (note not floatable at 28% ) That appears to be the steam room in the propulsive section... center aft of ship

Ooh I know I know! I can "reasonably" confirm that it will be Sounding rockets made from Talos, Terrier, Tartar, Nike Ajax, Nike Hercules, Fire Streak, Red Top and many other anti aircraft missiles. I even heard Bloodhound SAM was in the running with all its onion stages! And if you believe that, I have SIX yes SIX Iowa class battleships to sell you... The Iowa, the New Jersey, the Wisconsin, the Missouri, the Illinois and the Kentucky!... Err you may have to cut the front 90 feet off of Wisconsin to have a complete Kentucky...... Wisconsin's replacement nose is on top of Kentucky....

Given the responses to the topic on the Titan 2L I thought I would share a link to my Github Wiki (no pretty pictures like Friznit's but it has download links to all my articles) https://github.com/Pappystein/Space_History/wiki/The-Mighty-Titan-Rocket-Family This is all the articles I have written on the Titan Rocket as well as Big G. PS at some point I need to sit down and figure out "From Monpilot to Gemini, the story of the two seat Mercury capsule" **NOTE** At some point in the future I will have to go through and revise the Titan II section of the articles above, Some of what I said in the previous post about the Titan 23G family is from some newer information I have come across thanks to of all things Books on the Valkyrie and the B-36 Bomber by Dennis Jenkins (Jenkins strikes again!) I am still trying to verify/corroborate data-points to make certain I understand the relationships correctly (it isn't as simple as just I read this... it is true sadly ) ** Realized it may not be intuitive for everyone to download these files so a tiny guide is in the sekret compartment below

it is also why both IRL and in KSP there are single bell LR87s

Nice shots of one of the more interesting "Recycle" programs proposed by a military organization. Warning! satirical poke at history in the spoiler! And thus the Titan 23G was born..... OK so a lot of tongue in cheek there but it is an interesting perspective of what really happened. The Truth is more that the Titan II missile were in.... LESS than ideal shape after sitting on the launch pad for 20+ years with corrosive Hypergolic fuels stored in the tanks. These things were NOT high quality launch vehicles. First Glenn L Martin et al cut what corners they could to make a cheap product. That is not to say that the rockets were low quality, rather they could have been so much more if the government was willing to pay for it. If you think today is a disposable society you should step back into government procurement from 1936 on. NEXT, we poured highly corrosive chemicals in it that were BARELY contained by the fact that they were in a pretty sealed container. And let them sit.... And Sit And Sit Conversely the Titan II GLV and latter Titan III & IV were actually meant to be storable for a period of time and be in PERFECT Condition so things like anti-corrosives were applied inside and out. You can argue that this was done to prevent SALT WATER corrosion (and you would be a little correct in saying so) but the bulk of the reason is NASA and through NASA the end contractors were willing to pay more for the rockets. Something that Congress knew little of... (since they came up with the 23G program) By 1980 those Titan rockets were all suffering from a bad case of nausea in the fuel and oxidizer tanks. I read somewhere that when the Titans were pulled out of their silos after draining the tanks, half of the tanks were found to have been mostly eaten away by the corrosive fuels/oxidizer in the tanks and then by the untreated metal OUTSIDE the tanks. The goal (estimated service life) being to have replaced the Titan with another missile in the early 1970s... It is amazing that after reclamation from the Silos we had something 34 mostly complete First stages and 24 complete second stages. These stages were cobbled together from the many more missile that were pulled out... Each Titan 23G had parts from SEVERAL Titan II LGM-25Cs in it. the First stage could have the engine from one Titan II, the fuel tank from another Titan II the Oxidizer tank from a third, and the outer-skin (the non tank sections of the rocket) from a fourth! Incidentally it is the fact that we had more viable First stages than second stages that allowed the Titan 2L to even exist as an idea... Cost to do that was LESS than the cost to reinforce the lower skin of the first stage to attach 12x CASTOR 4/GEM40 rockets (which would have given a similar payload)