Whirligig Girl Posted March 9, 2015 Share Posted March 9, 2015 (edited) I'm not sure it sends out a good message to have female kerbals be a thing and not have at least one woman in charge of something at the KSC. At the very least, make some of the engineers and scientists walking around the VAB/SPH female.So who can be replaced by another kerbal?We have the following staff:Gene Kerman (Mission Controller, based on Gene Kranz)Wernher von Kerman (Lead Scientist, based on Wernher von Braun)Mortimer Kerman (Lead Accountant, not based on anyone as far as I can tell)Linus Kerman (Wernher's intern, not based on anyone as far as I can tell)Walt Kerman (Head PR guy, probably based on Walt Disney, even though Disney wasn't known to walk around in a hazmat suit)Gus Kerman (Head of Operations, based on astronaut Gus Grissom, or maybe just because it's funny)So how about Katherine Kerman being the Engineer Reporter, based on Katherine Johnson?But I think the most important thing is having female scientists and engineers in the VAB/SPH.EDIT: Upon realized that typing up a post while on painkillers is a less-than-optimal idea, I have fixed some horrible errors in morality. Even though I still kinda hate Linus because he stole my snacks on several occasions. Edited March 9, 2015 by GregroxMun Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Phil Posted March 9, 2015 Share Posted March 9, 2015 I thought Walt was based off of Walter White? It explains the hazmat suit, at least...Maybe have Linus replaced, along with a female CapCOM character at times? Along with Gene... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whirligig Girl Posted March 9, 2015 Author Share Posted March 9, 2015 I thought Walt was based off of Walter White? It explains the hazmat suit, at least.Maybe it's both. Walt Disney made the Man In Space documentary which introduced spaceflight to the everyman. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoMrBond Posted March 9, 2015 Share Posted March 9, 2015 We could have Katherine Johnson for delivering the engineers report to give your your craft trajectories/stats/dV etc?An expert so respected they would only believe the computers if Katherine's maths agreed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
basic.syntax Posted March 9, 2015 Share Posted March 9, 2015 (edited) I think focus shifted to female kerbals you can take on flights, but, The 'beyond beta' announcement said one would join KSC staff. Maybe they will invent a new position for Valentina.Edit: great idea, NoMrBond! A new game feature would be a great place to highlight a new character. Edited March 9, 2015 by basic.syntax Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
r4pt0r Posted March 9, 2015 Share Posted March 9, 2015 Replacing someone because of their gender would be the definition of sexism. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
syfyguy64 Posted March 9, 2015 Share Posted March 9, 2015 I always thought kerbals where asexual, as they all had Kerman as their last name. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
r4pt0r Posted March 9, 2015 Share Posted March 9, 2015 I always thought kerbals where asexual, as they all had Kerman as their last name.they were.now squad feels the need to be politically correct. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheCanadianVendingMachine Posted March 9, 2015 Share Posted March 9, 2015 No one needs replacement. Stop making this into a social justice case Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted March 9, 2015 Share Posted March 9, 2015 We could have Katherine Johnson for delivering the engineers report to give your your craft trajectories/stats/dV etc?This is a cool idea. I don't think we really need to change anyone who's already there, but new staff should be filled out with female kerbals for sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pxi Posted March 9, 2015 Share Posted March 9, 2015 I agree with adding some female kerbals walking around in the VAB/SPH.As to replacing existing characters, I disagree. I would far prefer some additional positions were added, or alternatively, there might be something to having the ability to have multiple kerbals that you could choose for a particular role, each with different skills that they bring to the table.I'm not fond of getting rid of things that Squad have put time and effort into without a good reason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dryer_lint Posted March 9, 2015 Share Posted March 9, 2015 they were.now squad feels the need to be politically correct.This. So much this. I mean, I'm all for stopping sexism. Female Kerbals were a good addition but do we really need to start a debate over it?It's just a computer game, after all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KSK Posted March 9, 2015 Share Posted March 9, 2015 We could have Katherine Johnson for delivering the engineers report to give your your craft trajectories/stats/dV etc?An expert so respected they would only believe the computers if Katherine's maths agreed.Well I learned something today. Thank you NoMrBond. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Superfluous J Posted March 9, 2015 Share Posted March 9, 2015 I mean, I'm all for stopping sexism. Female Kerbals were a good addition but do we really need to start a debate over it?Actually the debate is over and female Kerbals are a thing. Having females in the game and then not having some on the administrative staff is odd. It'd be like changing Kerbals to be blue but leaving the admin staff green.It's just a computer game, after all.Yes, so changing some random characters' genders shouldn't really raise a fuss.I personally would like it if 1/2 or more of the static, named characters we see throughout the game were female. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whirligig Girl Posted March 9, 2015 Author Share Posted March 9, 2015 We could have Katherine Johnson for delivering the engineers report to give your your craft trajectories/stats/dV etc?An expert so respected they would only believe the computers if Katherine's maths agreed.Actually that's a great idea. I forgot about new features in 1.0!- - - Updated - - -I always thought kerbals where asexual, as they all had Kerman as their last name.No, and besides, if my dad's name were Sherman and he married my mother, my mother's last name would then be Sherman. Last names are completely regardless of gender. And also, this:Squad's original criteria were that they had to be expendable, replenishable, and agendered. They have stated that they failed on that, and with nearly everyone* who plays KSP for the first time seeing male features, they decided to add it in.*Not literally. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amorymeltzer Posted March 9, 2015 Share Posted March 9, 2015 (edited) We could have Katherine Johnson for delivering the engineers report to give your your craft trajectories/stats/dV etc?An expert so respected they would only believe the computers if Katherine's maths agreed.This is a great idea! I'd put in support for an Ada Lovelace, Grace Hopper, or Vera Rubin reference too! It would be great to add roles rather than take them away. Edited March 9, 2015 by amorymeltzer +Vera Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Random Tank Posted March 9, 2015 Share Posted March 9, 2015 To be honest, I couldn't care less about this; this is a game about space flight and exploration, not "Gender Neutraility Simulator 2015". I still don't even consider the current Kerbalnauts as male, so I couldn't give two flying fraks what "gender" the space centre staff are... All I think about Kerbals is that they're little sacks of sentient meat that I refuse to kill, as every Kerbal has the right to come home."Female" Kerbals is a waste of development in my eyes, as it ruins the focus of what this game is supposed to be. No thank you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhawk Posted March 9, 2015 Share Posted March 9, 2015 We turned Gene Krantz into a guy who shrugs off losing his crews, Wernher von Braun into a stuck-up jerk and basically the entire Apollo-era astronaut corps into a bunch of bumbling idiots. I wonder how this will go down, considering you now have to make female kerbals carelessly stupid, prone to accident, and incompetent at their jobs, only barely succeeding at even mundane tasks. So how about it? After all, it's only fair. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arugela Posted March 9, 2015 Share Posted March 9, 2015 (edited) That is why I wanted the female to be Jezebel and focus on more interesting story telling. Then it could contrast that and be even more interesting. (BTW, Jezebel is a subtle manipulative seductress who plays on the simple minded or weak of character(any weakness) presumably. So, it can make endless variations of funny story telling. The entirety of the stereotype of astronauts(especially navy/airforce bread from the period) is full of funny things to throw at that. Let alone a guy name Jebediah! 8D The religious context is wholely appropriate. Both superficially and in the realm of what fits best as far as type of story telling and character development/interaction.BTW, are there black or asian like Kerbals? Or are they all just shades of green!! >< Edited March 9, 2015 by Arugela Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted March 9, 2015 Share Posted March 9, 2015 We turned Gene Krantz into a guy who shrugs off losing his crews, Wernher von Braun into a stuck-up jerk and basically the entire Apollo-era astronaut corps into a bunch of bumbling idiots. I wonder how this will go down, considering you now have to make female kerbals carelessly stupid, prone to accident, and incompetent at their jobs, only barely succeeding at even mundane tasks. So how about it? After all, it's only fair.Squad has already committed to the portrayal of Kerbals as bumbling idiots, no reason not to be inclusive in that portrayal.I mean, clearly that portrayal is already offensive to some people, and I don't think it's very constructive or beneficial to the game either, but at least everyone in the game will be equally stupid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amorymeltzer Posted March 9, 2015 Share Posted March 9, 2015 We turned Gene Krantz into a guy who shrugs off losing his crews, Wernher von Braun into a stuck-up jerk and basically the entire Apollo-era astronaut corps into a bunch of bumbling idiots.I can imagine Grace Kerman losing large numbers of vessels because she keeps leaving bugs in the machine, or Marie Kerman telling you not to worry too much about the exhaust from the nuclear reactor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Rhodan Posted March 9, 2015 Share Posted March 9, 2015 That is why I wanted the female to be Jezebel and focus on more interesting story telling. Then it could contrast that and be even more interesting. (BTW, Jezebel is a subtle manipulative seductress who plays on the simple minded or weak of character(any weakness) presumably. So, it can make endless variations of funny story telling.So basically the token woman gets to play the role as a sexualized woman? That's an interesting and new idea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pthigrivi Posted March 9, 2015 Share Posted March 9, 2015 ^Yeah lets please not do that.Just for reference there's no one at the VAB, SPH, Tracking station or Astronaut complex. You could very easily staff these with female kerbals without having to replace anyone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arugela Posted March 9, 2015 Share Posted March 9, 2015 (edited) So basically the token woman gets to play the role as a sexualized woman? That's an interesting and new idea.Sorry, but the point is much more complicated. It's about the natural interaction between men and women. the rest is the range of those things. And a very interesting thing to do with the concept of introducing a female character. It's also realistic potentially to the circumstances. It's the basic reality between men and women and what can happen. Your grossly oversimplifying it. Seductress does not mean overbearing sexual content. It's also the subtleties. All of them.....! And in fact that rarely properly means anything you would think of as sexual! Nice of you to bash my idea with so little understanding of it. I think the word I'm thinking of is glibly...And how would you tell the difference between them. Do they even have differentiating features? I haven't paid enough attention to the material they have shown. Edited March 9, 2015 by Arugela Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AbacusWizard Posted March 9, 2015 Share Posted March 9, 2015 Perhaps you should take a cold shower. This isn't a romance simulator. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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