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"Plan Kappa" - A KSP graphic novel (Jeb is back in Chapter 53! Well, kinda.)


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SSTO

Single stage to ocean (most of my stock rocket planes)

SSTI

Single stage to incineration (My first air-augmented-rocket plane, fortunately unmanned)

SSTDOoF

Single stage to "damn, out of fuel!" (My second air-augmented-rocket plane, also unmanned)

How did the Bell X-1 do it? Although, my first air augmented rocket plane would have succeeded if I hadn't tried to make it into orbit.

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3 minutes ago, Just Jim said:

"Nothing is safe on Eve, buddy!!!

How true!!!   :0.0:

You took the words right out of my mouth!

As for Glery and company.....dunno.....microgravity and seizures.....one hell of a lousy place to get sick.

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17 minutes ago, Angel-125 said:

Those poor kerbals on Gilly... They need a centrifuge! :)

If the gravity is that low, then absolutely a centrifuge station is in order. Might look a little disorientating looking out the window and seeing ground spinning all over the place......might induce nausea, but better than seizures.

As for Glery not reporting the seizures....in real life that's a career breaker. Certain sections of Military service (one's involve deep diving) one cannot have a single seizure or have any history of seizures. Basically when Glery gets back to Kerbin she's desk bound for the rest of her life.

Considering that, I can see why she kept them to herself.

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31 minutes ago, GDJ said:

If the gravity is that low, then absolutely a centrifuge station is in order. Might look a little disorientating looking out the window and seeing ground spinning all over the place......might induce nausea, but better than seizures.

As for Glery not reporting the seizures....in real life that's a career breaker. Certain sections of Military service (one's involve deep diving) one cannot have a single seizure or have any history of seizures. Basically when Glery gets back to Kerbin she's desk bound for the rest of her life.

Considering that, I can see why she kept them to herself.

Kerbin is gone in 80 days though...

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7 minutes ago, GDJ said:

Basically when Glery gets back to Kerbin she's desk bound for the rest of her life.

What Kerbin?

8 minutes ago, GDJ said:

If the gravity is that low, then absolutely a centrifuge station is in order. Might look a little disorientating looking out the window and seeing ground spinning all over the place......might induce nausea, but better than seizures.

Strange thing is that IRL centrifuge for artificial gravity (at least on the scale of a space station module - tether and counterweight type solutions may be viable with enough length due to less angular velocity) is considered much worse for habitation than 0g, because it completely messes up the inner ear attitude control (it's kind of OK without downward vector, but can't really operate when picking constant spinning at significant angular velocity).

But of course here we have another species. Too much blood getting into these big green heads?

Speaking of that - never sleep in Soyuz orbital module with your head towards the docking port.

 

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33 minutes ago, DMSP said:

Kerbin is gone in 80 days though...

 

32 minutes ago, Alchemist said:

What Kerbin?

Well, we know that. She might not know about the "accelerated" deadline. For all we know she thinks she'll either have a year or solve the problem of the destruction of Kerbin. As far as we know, she has no idea about the hostile takeover either.

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It's the way it keeps the solar panels oriented to the Sun when flying on its own - by getting a bit of yaw rotation. Not that fast to make you feel that everything's spinning or make things fall with significant acceleration, but enough to affect blood flow when sleeping along the craft's main axis. So if you sleep far from the center of mass in the wrong direction, you'll get headache from too much blood flowing to the head. But if you sleep in the right direction, it's said to make it easier to get accustomed to weightlessness by providing at least a bit of centrifugal force while you fly to the station (don't forget that the standard flight profile takes around 2 days to reach the station, unless a very good launch window is arranged).

Well, this also shows the fact that for our species 0g is already on the edge of long-term acceptable in the terms of the blood flow to the head.

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4 hours ago, Alchemist said:

Strange thing is that IRL centrifuge for artificial gravity (at least on the scale of a space station module - tether and counterweight type solutions may be viable with enough length due to less angular velocity) is considered much worse for habitation than 0g, because it completely messes up the inner ear attitude control (it's kind of OK without downward vector, but can't really operate when picking constant spinning at significant angular velocity).

Interesting. I looked into it, I think what you're referring to is mentioned in this article under coriolis effect. Basically, when you stand up you feel like falling to one side. I'd never realized that would be a problem, but if I think about it in terms of when you sit, your head is moving at a fixed speed given the angular speed and distance from the axis, and when you stand up, it needs to decelerate to match the new slower speed closer to the axis, that makes sense. As you mentioned, a bigger size rig would reduce that effect, but at 224m for 1 g (also from that article) it's quite a lot bigger (reducing RPM and accepting a much lower gforce can help reduce the size).

Still, in this case, with the crew experiencing the Gilly Shakes syndrome, even if the Kerbal inner ear works as the human one, they could just try to set up a therapy pod of relative small size, or even rig up a spinning sleeping quarters that spins down and back up again periodic to allow a shift rotation, and see if that makes the syndrome manageable; as long as they don't change their distance to the axis of spin (which you wouldn't as you sleep), they wouldn't notice the coriolis effect.

 

 

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2 hours ago, FyunchClick said:

Interesting. I looked into it, I think what you're referring to is mentioned in this article under coriolis effect. Basically, when you stand up you feel like falling to one side. I'd never realized that would be a problem, but if I think about it in terms of when you sit, your head is moving at a fixed speed given the angular speed and distance from the axis, and when you stand up, it needs to decelerate to match the new slower speed closer to the axis, that makes sense. As you mentioned, a bigger size rig would reduce that effect, but at 224m for 1 g (also from that article) it's quite a lot bigger (reducing RPM and accepting a much lower gforce can help reduce the size).

It's more a matter of inertial cross-coupling.  You might recall the Mythbuster's show with the vomit-inducing chair?  Same thing.  The problem is when you're rotating about 1 axis and turn your head on another axis, and BARF!  Or at least just feeling badly nauseated.  Neither is good for productivity or morale, nor station equipment.  And barfing is contagious just like sneezing, so it just keeps getting worse.

I remember when I was little, there used to be an amusement park ride, a rotating room that stuck you to the wall enough so that they could drop the floor several feet and you'd stay put.  But it frequently happened that folks would turn their heads down to watch the floor fall away then look back up, and do this a few times, and then it was the "vomit comet" :D

 

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