tater Posted November 14, 2019 Share Posted November 14, 2019 7 minutes ago, Ultimate Steve said: Interesting costs... So now we can say that a Starliner crew launch is about 360 million and a Dragon crew launch is about 220 million. Both of those numbers are higher than I would have expected. I wonder if the filling of the other 3 seats (tourists, short term astronauts like the UAE astronaut a while ago) would reduce the price for NASA or if it would go directly to Boeing/Spacex's pockets. NASA has already paid for all 4 seats. Any crew launch has 1 NASA seat, and one ROSCOSMOS seat (ditto on Soyuz), which we will then trade 1:1 (that way each crew has a CO for each section of ISS). The third seat varies, and presumably NASA sells/trades those seats to partners (ESA, JAXA, etc). A forth seat is desirable if they use it... but I'm unsure about when that might be. As to the launch cost, SpaceX nominally sells launches at 62M$. That might be for a reflown booster. Dragon is already more than that, so it's safe to assume an F9 for Dragon/Dragon2 is something north of 100M$, even without the spacecraft. Each Dragon 2 is new, so 120M$ is I suppose "normal" from a space industry standpoint. CST-100 is Atlas V, so more like 160M$/launch? That makes their spacecraft maybe 200M$ of that launch cost (and reusable, so... still more expensive---for reasons). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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tater Posted November 21, 2019 Share Posted November 21, 2019 Starliner is a really nice looking spacecraft----but the way it looks on Atlas? Yuck. Vulcan doesn't promise to look much better. They need a serious SM, BLEO heat shield, then a full Vulcan dia upper stage with CST-100 on top. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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tater Posted December 3, 2019 Share Posted December 3, 2019 So odd looking with the diameter change and skirt. The gray of the capsule really stands out as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrandedonEarth Posted December 4, 2019 Share Posted December 4, 2019 Yeah, that seems strange that they would have a sudden transition like that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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tater Posted December 20, 2019 Share Posted December 20, 2019 https://www.ulalaunch.com/missions/atlas-v-oft Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magnemoe Posted December 20, 2019 Share Posted December 20, 2019 On 12/13/2019 at 2:35 AM, StrandedonEarth said: The bottom is weird here, expected an cone to give an aerodynamic transition to upper stage Assume it bleed in air bellow the service module. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MinimumSky5 Posted December 20, 2019 Share Posted December 20, 2019 14 minutes ago, magnemoe said: The bottom is weird here, expected an cone to give an aerodynamic transition to upper stage Assume it bleed in air bellow the service module. Nope. based on comments from up the thread, it's to move the shock reattachment on the Centaur to a stronger area of skin, to prevent tank rupture. AFAIK, the only air there is entrained. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magnemoe Posted December 20, 2019 Share Posted December 20, 2019 (edited) 17 minutes ago, MinimumSky5 said: Nope. based on comments from up the thread, it's to move the shock reattachment on the Centaur to a stronger area of skin, to prevent tank rupture. AFAIK, the only air there is entrained. Yes, everyday astronaut talked about it. And successful launch. The weird part now is why they hanged on the SRB 40 seconds after burnout. Suspect it was for safety reasons, its safer to drop them then drag is lower, you had the Soyuz boaster separation fail Edited December 20, 2019 by magnemoe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MinimumSky5 Posted December 20, 2019 Share Posted December 20, 2019 Would have been nice to actually see Starliner floating freely in space. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kerbiloid Posted December 20, 2019 Share Posted December 20, 2019 With a plastic woman Rosie onboard. Wearing a blue suit and red bandhana with white dots. And other winter gifts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Treveli Posted December 20, 2019 Share Posted December 20, 2019 Yeah. Congrats on a good launch, but maybe hire (or at least consult) another media team. Twenty minutes of people sitting at desks is kinda boring. Guess we've gotten spoiled these days. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canopus Posted December 20, 2019 Share Posted December 20, 2019 16 minutes ago, magnemoe said: The weird part now is why they hanged on the SRB 40 seconds after burnout. Suspect it was for safety reasons, its safer to drop them then drag is lower, you had the Soyuz boaster separation fail I think they always do that with these inward curving nosecones. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kerbiloid Posted December 20, 2019 Share Posted December 20, 2019 (edited) Wrong orbit. That's another space mutiny of AI after the Fedor's attempts to not dock. Spoiler Or MCAS again Upd. P.S. No burn - no Rosie. Edited December 20, 2019 by kerbiloid Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Treveli Posted December 20, 2019 Share Posted December 20, 2019 2 hours ago, Canopus said: I think they always do that with these inward curving nosecones. Think Manley said it had to do with range safety, so they'd fall far enough out to sea. Apparently dropping your SRB's on your launch center is only acceptable to Kerbals. Least they never mind when I do it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fraktal Posted December 20, 2019 Share Posted December 20, 2019 Update: mission timer anomaly caused Starliner to detect its position incorrectly and expend too much fuel circularizing. ISS rendezvous is impossible. Only question now is whether the capsule will come back down in one piece or not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canopus Posted December 20, 2019 Share Posted December 20, 2019 (edited) 29 minutes ago, Treveli said: Think Manley said it had to do with range safety, so they'd fall far enough out to sea. Apparently dropping your SRB's on your launch center is only acceptable to Kerbals. Least they never mind when I do it. „The SRB jettison sequence is initiated after SRB burnout. SRBs 1 and 2, if applicable, are jettisoned at a predetermined time dependent upon the dynamic pressure constraint. SRBs 3, 4, and 5 are jettisoned 1.5 seconds later, if applicable“, from the Atlas V user guide https://www.ulalaunch.com/docs/default-source/rockets/atlasvusersguide2010.pdf Edited December 20, 2019 by Canopus Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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