tater Posted August 9 Share Posted August 9 Crew home on Dragon, Starliner home uncrewed, next Starliner is cargo (as a test of any fixes), then they certify and allow first real mission. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nuke Posted August 10 Share Posted August 10 2 hours ago, tater said: Crew home on Dragon, Starliner home uncrewed, next Starliner is cargo (as a test of any fixes), then they certify and allow first real mission. and then the door falls off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kerbiloid Posted August 10 Share Posted August 10 13 hours ago, tater said: They were already working on those contingencies should they ever be needed for crew delivered with Soyuz, actually. So, that's who has jinxed it. Once they had decided that no, Soyuz is not needed anymore, Soyuz again became an option. This proves how important is to avoid final decisions as long as possible, like the lawyers do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Codraroll Posted August 10 Share Posted August 10 4 hours ago, kerbiloid said: Once they had decided that no, Soyuz is not needed anymore, Soyuz again became an option. That's a remarkably apt summary of the history of the Soyuz (and the various programs to replace it) in general. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kerbiloid Posted August 10 Share Posted August 10 Thank you, I tried my best. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darthgently Posted August 10 Share Posted August 10 57 minutes ago, Codraroll said: That's a remarkably apt summary of the history of the Soyuz (and the various programs to replace it) in general. Even the PRC went along. Soyuz is definitely a workhorse design Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RCgothic Posted August 10 Share Posted August 10 If US or western european crews don't go up on Starliner before they go up again on Soyuz I'd be shocked. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikegarrison Posted August 10 Share Posted August 10 Keep in mind that every Atlas flight is already spoken for, so any non-crew Starliner flight lowers by one the total number of crewed Starliner flights -- unless they buy one of the remaining Atlases from Project Kuiper. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DDE Posted August 10 Share Posted August 10 3 hours ago, RCgothic said: If US or western european crews don't go up on Starliner before they go up again on Soyuz I'd be shocked. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soyuz_MS-26 I don't think the odds are in Starliner's favor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Codraroll Posted August 10 Share Posted August 10 2 hours ago, DDE said: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soyuz_MS-26 I don't think the odds are in Starliner's favor. I think RCgothic was referring to Soyuzes carrying an entire crew, not the exchange program where singular astronauts join the launches of the other space program. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DDE Posted August 10 Share Posted August 10 33 minutes ago, Codraroll said: I think RCgothic was referring to Soyuzes carrying an entire crew, not the exchange program where singular astronauts join the launches of the other space program. An entire crew of non-Russian nationals is illegal under section 3 article 20 of Federal Law 5663-I of August 20, 1993 *shrug* Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kerbiloid Posted August 11 Share Posted August 11 7 hours ago, Codraroll said: not the exchange program where singular astronauts join the launches of the other space program where each party sends an overseer to keep the eyes on the partner's hands. 7 hours ago, DDE said: An entire crew of non-Russian nationals So, no Tajik-Uzbek-Kyrgyz crew. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
monophonic Posted August 12 Share Posted August 12 On 8/10/2024 at 9:42 PM, mikegarrison said: Keep in mind that every Atlas flight is already spoken for, so any non-crew Starliner flight lowers by one the total number of crewed Starliner flights -- unless they buy one of the remaining Atlases from Project Kuiper. Well, they could use Vulcan for the cargo Starliner (Starhauler?) launches. Of course that would require work to integrate the capsule with the launcher, but not needing to crew rate all that should help some. Also, unless Boeing has already decided to cancel Starliner after current contract, that work is in the engineering roadmap anyway. Whether that can be done in time for launches in 2025 is another question though... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kekkie Posted August 12 Share Posted August 12 On 8/10/2024 at 7:23 PM, DDE said: An entire crew of non-Russian nationals is illegal under section 3 article 20 of Federal Law 5663-I of August 20, 1993 *shrug* Because the commander is required to be Russian? "A citizen-cosmonaut of the Russian Federation shall be appointed Commander of the crew of a manned space object." Nowhere in this law does it say that a Soyuz qualifies as a "manned space object" if another country outside Russia's jurisdiction is operating it. P.S. Is there a separate space law thread to discuss this? Don't want to overly distract. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darthgently Posted August 14 Share Posted August 14 Interesting sub thread about seals Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nuke Posted August 14 Share Posted August 14 damn it, i thought we learned about o-rings by now. also disappointed by a lack of sea sausages. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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tater Posted August 23 Share Posted August 23 Sounds plausible from what I am hearing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikegarrison Posted August 23 Share Posted August 23 Not surprising, if true. As we discussed before, NASA locked themselves into being on the publicity hook if anything happens, because they let it become known that they were the ones making the decision. So they are going with the option where they can't be blamed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tater Posted August 24 Share Posted August 24 At the top of the hour: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tater Posted August 24 Share Posted August 24 Dragon return. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ultimate Steve Posted August 24 Share Posted August 24 Starliner crew will return on Dragon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AckSed Posted August 24 Share Posted August 24 Came right out with it: Butch and Suni coming back with Crew 9, Starliner coming back uncrewed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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