[Stock Craft] WWII Messerschmitt Me 262 A-1a "Schwalbe"

[Columbia]

Hate to say it, but maybe even more, that cross section is looking good though. Is it affecting the handling badly?

What about this?

Actually, it still handles pretty well (for my standards, at least.)

[Majorjim!]

What about this?

http://i.imgur.com/8RQt5ex.jpg

Actually, it still handles pretty well (for my standards, at least.)

That kind of wing configuration should make it more stable in level flight.

[Dman979]

If you want to be really specific, the angle of dihedral is ~10^o.

[selfish_meme]

It's a lot closer, they probably needed the Dihedral due to the tiny rudder.

[panzer1b]

I like it, although its kinda large and not really to scale with stock KSP (the real 262 would more likely use a standard MK1 inline cockpit).

Id wait for the 1.1 update with those Jumo-004 replica engines. The 1st thing that those made me think of is a me262, and ill be waiting for a true scale replica as the 262 (and many german designs from WW2) are very cool looking imo.

[Columbia]

If you want to be really specific, the angle of dihedral is ~10^o.

It's a lot closer, they probably needed the Dihedral due to the tiny rudder.

Ah, thanks for the clarification.

I like it, although its kinda large and not really to scale with stock KSP (the real 262 would more likely use a standard MK1 inline cockpit).

Id wait for the 1.1 update with those Jumo-004 replica engines. The 1st thing that those made me think of is a me262, and ill be waiting for a true scale replica as the 262 (and many german designs from WW2) are very cool looking imo.

My goal was more of to cram in as much detail as possible, and using 1.25m parts is quite.. simplistic, to say the least. But thanks.

[eorin]

Ah, thanks for the clarification.

My goal was more of to cram in as much detail as possible, and using 1.25m parts is quite.. simplistic, to say the least. But thanks.

To be honest is more simple building a replica with large parts rather than small... Building in a larger scale is a better way to achieve a good shape of the craft, at cost of much more weight and drag and make the craft look outscaled compared to kerbals. I always prefer a kerbal sized replica, but it s just my opinion.

P.S. I could have misanderstood the word simplistic, if yes just ignore my comment

Edited September 28, 2015 by eorin

[Columbia]

To be honest is more simple building a replica with large parts rather than small... Building in a larger scale is a better way to achieve a good shape of the craft, at cost of much more weight and drag and make the craft look outscaled compared to kerbals. I always prefer a kerbal sized replica, but it s just my opinion.

P.S. I could have misanderstood the word simplistic, if yes just ignore my comment

Thanks, eorin!

You have a good point, but another reason why I wanted to use 2.5 meter parts was that not many others were, and so I decided to give it a try on this one as well, and there weren't 0.625 meter jet engines which would fit (although they're coming in 1.1.). And yeah, the Me 262 does look too gigantic for a fighter.

Maybe I'll give 1.25m a try in 1.1. Thanks again!

- - - Updated - - -

I've kept this too long in the shelves.

Version 2.0 released!

New features:

-Revised cockpit (Take command is recommended but not necessary!)

-New cross section (more triangular)

-revised fairing-based engines

-Less parts

Happy flights!

[Columbia]

I know this is very old, but with the dawn of 1.0.5, I decided to make a new Me 262 which is smaller. I might replace the current one with this.

What do you guys think?

[pTrevTrevs]

I think the cockpit needs work, it doesn't have the right outline to be on an Me-262. I would just replace it with a Mk1 inline cockpit to save parts and look smoother.

[Columbia]

On 9/28/2015, 9:20:18, panzer1b said:

I like it, although its kinda large and not really to scale with stock KSP (the real 262 would more likely use a standard MK1 inline cockpit).

Id wait for the 1.1 update with those Jumo-004 replica engines. The 1st thing that those made me think of is a me262, and ill be waiting for a true scale replica as the 262 (and many german designs from WW2) are very cool looking imo.

Also, how is it "to scale" or not "to scale"? Is that implying the Me 262 was only 1.25 m in width?

How's this? Hopefully the cockpit's better, and I scaled it up a bit.

[Columbia]

Er.. any feedback on the 262?

[pTrevTrevs]

I would like to see it smaller, closer to Kerbal scale. The small jets make this easier, and you can keep the same technique for the fuselage shape by using Mk0 fuel tanks. Also, the Mk1 inline cockpit would fit better as well.

[Columbia]

25 minutes ago, pTrevTrevs said:

I would like to see it smaller, closer to Kerbal scale. The small jets make this easier, and you can keep the same technique for the fuselage shape by using Mk0 fuel tanks. Also, the Mk1 inline cockpit would fit better as well.

I tried to do that the first time. How do you fit an Mk1 cockpit into Mk0 fuselages? It's less detailed, it's going to look crappy if I fit an Mk1 cockpit into the smaller Me 262 (You think I didn't try?) I'd be making the mistake Azimech mentioned on the first page, that it would be better having a strutted cockpit that's more detailed but not a single part, than a simple cockpit with an IVA but doesn't stick to the 262's actual cockpit look.

Also, can someone seriously explain what people mean when they say "Kerbal-scaled?" Because I'm 100% certain the 262 wasn't just a meter in width. The Kerbal has to be the same size of a human when compared to the scale of the replica? What's wrong with it then? 

I built a THIRD Me 262 because I didn't want to resort to the Mk1 cockpit, and neither did i want to have a cockpit that looked like absolute garbage. 2.5 m was also too huge, as a series of criticisms showed pages back. I tried for something in between. Now you want the previous aircraft with a horrifying cockpit forcefully stuck on it?

Good god this is confusing. Even four revisions of the same aircraft which is too small to deserve its own thread isn't enough.

[Bubbadevlin]

I think they are all very good looking craft, but in general when people refer to kerbal scale, it is usually half scale or less. That is because kerbals are about 1 m, and people about 2. It is also the fact that kerbin is 1/10 the size, meaning that most rocket parts in the game are a lot smaller.

[pTrevTrevs]

Whenever I say Kerbal scale, I mean a vehicle that is proportional to a Kerbal's size, so the Kerbal doesn't seem too large or too small compared to the vehicle.

Maybe this proportion will help.

Real vehicle/Human = KSP vehicle/Kerbal

[He_162]

The Me-262a1a never carried bombs, only 24, or 48 rockets under the wings.

[pTrevTrevs]

5 hours ago, He_162 said:

The Me-262a1a never carried bombs, only 24, or 48 rockets under the wings.

Well... The only way the Luftwaffe could get Hitler to approve its production was by promising to deploy it as a fighter bomber. You see, Hitler was crazy, and still thought he could bomb Britain out of the war if he tried hard enough. IIRC, the first operational variant was a fighter bomber, and the 262 was deployed as such until the Arado 234 was introduced to Hitler, who allowed one Me-262 to operate as a fighter for every two Ar 234s to be deployed (or vice versa, I'm too lazy to pull out my books).

[He_162]

20 hours ago, pTrevTrevs said:

Well... The only way the Luftwaffe could get Hitler to approve its production was by promising to deploy it as a fighter bomber. You see, Hitler was crazy, and still thought he could bomb Britain out of the war if he tried hard enough. IIRC, the first operational variant was a fighter bomber, and the 262 was deployed as such until the Arado 234 was introduced to Hitler, who allowed one Me-262 to operate as a fighter for every two Ar 234s to be deployed (or vice versa, I'm too lazy to pull out my books).

Calling Hitler crazy is to give him an excuse for Genocide. He is a sadistic mass murdering pile of dog crap. That explains him better.

Hitler allowed the Interceptor Me-262a1a to be deployed 2 years later when they convinced him of it, but like you said, for every 2 arado 234's, and then Hitler was too late.

The Me-262a1a never the less, had no bomb carriage. Since KSP is KSP, you can do whatever you please though.

[selfish_meme]

Colombia, steal my rockets from the Finch, they work well and are very accurate, though theres no way you are getting 24 on there.

As far as the debate, the mk1 inline cockpit is a reasonable facsimile of the me 262 cockpit, but it does determine the scale of the craft, and trying to capture the triangular cross section is really hard in 1.25m scale.

[Columbia]

On 12/6/2015, 11:48:40, Bubbadevlin said:

I think they are all very good looking craft, but in general when people refer to kerbal scale, it is usually half scale or less. That is because kerbals are about 1 m, and people about 2. It is also the fact that kerbin is 1/10 the size, meaning that most rocket parts in the game are a lot smaller.

 

On 12/7/2015, 2:01:39, pTrevTrevs said:

Whenever I say Kerbal scale, I mean a vehicle that is proportional to a Kerbal's size, so the Kerbal doesn't seem too large or too small compared to the vehicle.

Maybe this proportion will help.

Real vehicle/Human = KSP vehicle/Kerbal

10 hours ago, selfish_meme said:

Colombia, steal my rockets from the Finch, they work well and are very accurate, though theres no way you are getting 24 on there.

As far as the debate, the mk1 inline cockpit is a reasonable facsimile of the me 262 cockpit, but it does determine the scale of the craft, and trying to capture the triangular cross section is really hard in 1.25m scale.

Yeah, selfish_meme's right.

If I were to confess, I really want to avoid that cockpit, honestly, for this replica. Sorry, but I'd rather put accuracy over scale.

I threw a seat into one of them, it's a bit too big but it should do.. right?

 

On 12/7/2015, 4:36:04, He_162 said:

The Me-262a1a never carried bombs, only 24, or 48 rockets under the wings.

On 12/7/2015, 9:40:35, pTrevTrevs said:

Well... The only way the Luftwaffe could get Hitler to approve its production was by promising to deploy it as a fighter bomber. You see, Hitler was crazy, and still thought he could bomb Britain out of the war if he tried hard enough. IIRC, the first operational variant was a fighter bomber, and the 262 was deployed as such until the Arado 234 was introduced to Hitler, who allowed one Me-262 to operate as a fighter for every two Ar 234s to be deployed (or vice versa, I'm too lazy to pull out my books).

Yes, pTrevTrevs is correct.

I could do both though.

[Columbia]

I will replace the current Me 262 soon -- To be honest, it kinda looks horrid.

[Columbia]

The ship's already quite old... but I updated it again!

[Columbia]

Since the armament is rockets now, poll has been removed. (Thanks, Vanamonde!) Also, link is fixed..