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I am currently working on a plugin to have other space agencies which will increase, or decrease your reputation and funds.  I so far have begun work on the systems to fluctuate rep and funds and it will soon have a random generator for what possible situation.  This idea came from an AI space race suggestion, and I'd like to give credit to the person whose idea it was to make.  If you are that person, tell me, and I'll add your name to this.  Thanks to @nightingale for helping me with adding/subtracting reputation which I've been able to apply to funds as well.  Moar boosters to come!

 

Progress so far:

  1. Ability to customize/change settings with .cfg files
    1. Add custom flavor texts
    2. Change settings for difficulty level
  2. Completely random events
    1. 'Lauches' and failures of the other space programs
    2. Automated addition and subtraction of reputation based on what has happened in the other space programs
    3. 'Investors' who invest in your program or pull out based on the other programs
  3. On screen messages of what happens (these are customizable as stated in 1.1 of the list)

 

Planned:

  1. Investors based on what you have done
  2. Government budgets
  3. Spawn spacecraft in other places to add to the effect of having more than one space program
  4. And more!

 

I'm looking for some scenarios.  Please submit your ideas.

This format would be best:

Easy, medium, or hard.
Flavor text (What happened)
+/-Funds
+/-Science
+/-Reputation

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Nice idea, would be great if you could generate orbiting vessels to give a sense that other agencies does exist.

Could be possible if we allow community designed spacecrafts to use for the generation of vessels. 

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2 hours ago, ensou04 said:

Nice idea, would be great if you could generate orbiting vessels to give a sense that other agencies does exist.

Could be possible if we allow community designed spacecrafts to use for the generation of vessels. 

I've been actually considering that.  I will likely add that down the road.

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9 hours ago, ThatOneBritishGuy... said:

If you're looking for vessels, I'm open to making some craft. Just give me a list of types of craft you need made, and a number and you'll have it.

Awesome.  I'll get back to you.

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I'm looking for some scenarios.  Please submit your ideas.

This format would be best:

Easy, medium, or hard.
Flavor text (What happened)
+/-Funds
+/-Science
+/-Reputation

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Awesome stuff, Clifton. Not quite what I was looking for, but I would totaly play with this mod. 

Now, question: would it not be possible to let a human manage the second program, instead of random events? 

Imagine the possibilities! First, you could compete against yourself in a space race, which would be fantastic, in my opinion. But eventually it could also be used in multiplayer, either in a turn based system (sharing the save file back and forth) or even simultaneously, with the help of DarkMP.

Ok, ok, I realice that's not what you are going for here, but I am just obsessed with that idea. 

Now on topic: what kind of events are you looking for? Things like "random public opinion change, the other program is now more popular", or something that would be reflected in a vessel sitting somewhere, like "other program strands kerbal on Mun, go rescue him for x rep."? 

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6 minutes ago, Musil said:

Awesome stuff, Clifton. Not quite what I was looking for, but I would totaly play with this mod. 

Now, question: would it not be possible to let a human manage the second program, instead of random events? 

Imagine the possibilities! First, you could compete against yourself in a space race, which would be fantastic, in my opinion. But eventually it could also be used in multiplayer, either in a turn based system (sharing the save file back and forth) or even simultaneously, with the help of DarkMP.

Ok, ok, I realice that's not what you are going for here, but I am just obsessed with that idea. 

Now on topic: what kind of events are you looking for? Things like "random public opinion change, the other program is now more popular", or something that would be reflected in a vessel sitting somewhere, like "other program strands kerbal on Mun, go rescue him for x rep."? 

First question: I really don't think that's very feasible as it would require core level access to the game, and if it is, I'm not experienced enough to make that.

Second question: I'm thinking more along the lines of "the other guys landed on the Mün, and you have lost 9 rep" or "they crashed and you got 9 rep, and 20 funds"  They can also help you if they make a scientific discovery, you get some science: "Mystery goo has been found to be just ballistics gel by the other guys, now you get some science."

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I'll have a think or two on suggestions and scenarios.

One of my first thoughts, that as good as it sounds is likely not practical to include: media releases of the competitor's launches including pictures (could quickly spiral the MBs of the mod, plus the work of taking all those pics), or even short clips (even worse in MBs and workload. Are there even any hooks in KSP to play AVIs or animated GIFs?).

 

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1 minute ago, swjr-swis said:

I'll have a think or two on suggestions and scenarios.

One of my first thoughts, that as good as it sounds is likely not practical to include: media releases of the competitor's launches including pictures (could quickly spiral the MBs of the mod, plus the work of taking all those pics), or even short clips (even worse in MBs and workload. Are there even any hooks in KSP to play AVIs or animated GIFs?).

 

I know you can show images, but I don't know about gifs.

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:( Too bad. I guess it could just be done manually, by the simple method of keeping tabs of what each program earns and expends. If I had a youtube channel maybe I would do it, for the pleasure of telling the story to others... Or if I can think of a way of doing it with another player (that seems very messy). 

Anyways, I think you should think of complementing this idea with Kerbal Construction Time. That way, time becomes a relevant factor. So you could have an event that fires at x date, "Others landed on Mun". If you already did it, no loss, if you still haven't, loose prestige and so on, not to mention the "world first". 

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40 minutes ago, Sequinox said:

Woah, this is a thing that exists? I like to think my career mode fixes discussion inspired this.

Is this still being developed?

Yep. I'm just trying to get some scenarios. :)

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3 minutes ago, Wardstone111 said:

I know this may be difficult but you could try making it so that if you somehow help another agency (Perhaps refuel a vessel for them as a contract) they will allow you to dock with a space station they have created.

Probably in the distant future.  I haven't even gotten around to updating to 1.1, so it'll probably be a while.  :)

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1 hour ago, CliftonM said:

Probably in the distant future.  I haven't even gotten around to updating to 1.1, so it'll probably be a while.  :)

Point taken, however in case you didn't know I think there may be certain contracts that are 'rescue (name) Kerman from orbit' so it may be a little easier.

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17 minutes ago, Wardstone111 said:

Point taken, however in case you didn't know I think there may be certain contracts that are 'rescue (name) Kerman from orbit' so it may be a little easier.

Very good point!  I could make a contract that has a higher amount of funds to rescue a VIP of StrutCo or something.

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2 minutes ago, linuxgurugamer said:

Look at the tutorial missions in 1.1 (when you can), use them as an initial series of missions/events/stuff for the competitors

Good idea.

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Just now, linuxgurugamer said:

If I get time, I'll see if I can get you a list of them later this evening (2 pm here)

I've got the pre release, so no need to.  Thanks anyway! :)

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ok

Here's another suggestion:

Create a list of all the planets, sorted by distance from Kerbin (or HomeWorld, if you want to support alternative planetary systems).  Create a set of missions which go to each:

  1. Probe flyby
  2. Probe orbit
  3. Manned orbit
  4. Manned landing
  5. Space station
  6. Mining
  7. Ground base

Also, science from each planet, both in orbit and on land

Randomize it a bit

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I am looking forward for this mod to be done. Really promising. Just think how cool is to 'space race' with others even with AI?

In the last post on the other thread, someone is making HASDA aka HSP. Maybe that will make a good competitor, I mean kompetitor

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