(STAR WARS SPOILERS) Was anyone else a bit disappointed with Star Wars?

[KerbMav]

25 minutes ago, RainDreamer said:

Phasma doesn't even get to show her face. She is supposed to be a leader of a group of stormtroopers, and should be at least a mini-boss level of presence.

I cannot remember - did she survive the destruction of the Base?

[RainDreamer]

38 minutes ago, KerbMav said:

I cannot remember - did she survive the destruction of the Base?

After the shield thing she is not seen again or even mentioned.

[KerbMav]

Seems like she escaped somehow.

"Instead of killing Phasma, however, Solo asked Finn—who had worked in sanitation on the base as a cadet—if the base had a trash compactor, to which Finn replied that it did. Once the trio blasted the consoles in the room beyond repair, they dumped Phasma down a chute into Starkiller Base's sewage system."

"President of Lucasfilm Ltd. Kathleen Kennedy has confirmed that Christie is slated to reprise the role of Phasma in Star Wars: Episode VIII, set for release in 2017."

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Phasma

[fredinno]

10 hours ago, KerbMav said:

Seems like she escaped somehow.

"Instead of killing Phasma, however, Solo asked Finn—who had worked in sanitation on the base as a cadet—if the base had a trash compactor, to which Finn replied that it did. Once the trio blasted the consoles in the room beyond repair, they dumped Phasma down a chute into Starkiller Base's sewage system."

"President of Lucasfilm Ltd. Kathleen Kennedy has confirmed that Christie is slated to reprise the role of Phasma in Star Wars: Episode VIII, set for release in 2017."

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Phasma

How did she escape? Why did they even bother adding her? I guess Kylo Ren might not be the best leader at times, (unlike Darth), so maybe she's supposed to help him (though I can see Kylo Ren killing her the one chance he gets).

[monstah]

20 hours ago, fredinno said:

What the hell was the purpose of Phasma anyways? Couldn't they just have used a random stormtrooper to close the shield?

 

20 hours ago, JedTech said:

Her purpose was to be a female person in charge of stuff.

 

11 hours ago, RainDreamer said:

Phasma doesn't even get to show her face. She is supposed to be a leader of a group of stormtroopers, and should be at least a mini-boss level of presence.

I like the fact that there is a female character who's in charge of stuff. I don't like the fact there it is a character that clearly was given importance post-hoc just to please fans asking for a female in charge of stuff.

Judging by the size of the character, I'd say she isn't even acting in the suit, just providing the voice.

Besides, as the meme goes, the Stormtrooper who fought against a light saber is clearly way more badass than Phasma could hope to be.

[KerbMav]

8 minutes ago, monstah said:

Judging by the size of the character, I'd say she isn't even acting in the suit, just providing the voice.

Besides, as the meme goes, the Stormtrooper who fought against a light saber is clearly way more badass than Phasma could hope to be.

Gwendoline Christie is 1.91m tall - and I guess her GoT experience would have made it possible for her to shoot a melee action scene.

[monstah]

Just now, KerbMav said:

and I guess her GoT experience would have made it possible for her to shoot a melee action scene.

More the reason to suspect her character was given importance in post-production, eh?

[adsii1970]

Ok, I saw the new movie and hated it for the following reasons...

Grand Moff Tarkin was one of five Moffs (governors). He happened to be the higher of the five. Upon the death of Vader and the Emperor, the next highest Moff would have ascended to the throne. Imperial succession would have continued. A New Hope gives the image that the Moffs were feared for the huge amount of political and military power they possessed. So, there would have been no fall into chaos, no First Order, because such an overthrow or attempted rebellion within the Empire, even by an admiral, would have been bad for all who followed the rogue leader. The Galactic Empire would have easily recovered militarily from Endor; much wiser, much more ruthless. In contrast, J.J. Abrams gives us the First Order which was just reckless with little scientific or military advancement since Episode VI. (This is the gripe I have about the original series - storm troopers never could handle small arms very well, which is also highly unlikely).

According to the Star Wars canon pre-Return of the Jedi, there was only about 1/3 of the imperial fleet at Endor.  Secondly, the Empire was extremely well-disciplined in Empire Strikes Back; more than a match for a handful of Rebel ships. Return of the Jedi should have been a complete Rebel slaughter just in fleet strength alone - unless you honestly believe that the Empire was the galactic version of the Germans in the old television series, Hogan's Heroes. In contrast, the military wing of the First Order, after the familiar "shock and awe" of an imperial assault, simply could not close the deal, getting their butts kicked in a very limited Resistance assault...

Don't even get me started on character development...

[KerbMav]

Not saying you are wrong, but I remember (from the Thrawn trilogy) that with the death of the emperor his troops fell into disarray. He influenced them constantly with black magic dark side powers and when this suddenly stopped, they lost a lot of there battle readyness.

[JedTech]

1 hour ago, monstah said:

I like the fact that there is a female character who's in charge of stuff. I don't like the fact there it is a character that clearly was given importance post-hoc just to please fans asking for a female in charge of stuff.

Judging by the size of the character, I'd say she isn't even acting in the suit, just providing the voice.

It makes me wonder if the character was a male to begin with and then somebody said, "Why are all the stormtroopers male?". So they decided to get politically correct and inserted a female voice late in production.

Edited January 6, 2016 by JedTech

[Tex Mechs Robot]

1 hour ago, JedTech said:

It makes me wonder if the character was a male to begin with and then somebody said, "Why are all the stormtroopers male?". So they decided to get politically correct and inserted a female voice late in production.

I do hope you're wrong. It's not an unreasonable hypothesis though.

[fredinno]

18 minutes ago, Tex Mechs Robot said:

I do hope you're wrong. It's not an unreasonable hypothesis though.

Like why Rey was a ****hole to Finn when he was saving her at first because he was holding her hand. As much as Iod Ike to think this was just due to her being paranoid, having to fend for herself her whole life.

 

PC is repurposed bovine waste- Few really like it, and its main proponents are polititans and angry, rich college students. 

 

Ok, I'll stop. If I go any further I'll probably get flagged for politics.

18 minutes ago, Tex Mechs Robot said:

I do hope you're wrong. It's not an unreasonable hypothesis though.

Like why Rey was a ****hole to Finn when he was saving her at first because he was holding her hand. As much as Iod Ike to think this was just due to her being paranoid, having to fend for herself her whole life.

 

PC is repurposed bovine waste- Few really like it, and its main proponents are polititans and angry, rich college students. 

 

Ok, I'll stop. If I go any further I'll probably get flagged for politics.

[Kobymaru]

So you guys liked it still better than Episode I? Are you sure about that?
Prepare to get your world rocked:

Spoiler

JAR JAR BINKS IS A SITH LORD!!!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8yy3q9f84EA

Your world has been rocked. What about now? Do you still hate Episode I?

 

Anyway, I agree with what most of the people say. For me it wasn't just a disappointment because of the over-hype that comes from Star Wars' legacy, but simply because it was not a good movie.

Honestly, if you had not seen or heard about Star Wars before, would you consider this movie anything more than average?

For me, the most annoying things were:

1. It's just like A New Hope. Like, why make a new Movie with the same plot? What's the point?

2. EVERYTHING WAS SO GODDAMN EASY.

• Never used a lightsaber? Survive in a fight with a force-sensitive, trained Sith Lord. NO PROBLEM.
• Completely untrained in the Force? Let's use this Jedi Mind trick (that she's never heard of btw) on this trooper. NO PROBLEM.
• We just squinted at this Death Star 3.0 without having any intel, but now we know exactly how to blow it up, where to strike, what their defenses and their strength is. NO PROBLEM.
• Former storm trooper was in charge of the sewage system, so obviously he knows how to turn off the shield generators. NO PROBLEM.
• Former storm trooper claims he knows everything, let's just believe everything he says because one rebel pilot says he is his buddy.
• Oh, we just made up a plan to blow up the "exhaust port cover". Of course we know exactly where to strategically place dozens of explosive charges  to blow it up in just the right way without looking at any plans. NO PROBLEM.
• No failsafe? Again, a reactor with no safe shutdown mechanism, that blows up up from a few tiny proton torpedos? For the third time? NO PROBLEM.

And many more.

3. Nothing is explained, at all. I know, I know, we don't need another boring explanation about a trade dispute between the republic and the separatists. But still, JJ left us completely hanging about the background. There wasn't just too little, there wasn't any. And "it's explained in accompanying books" is just not good enough for me.

4. All of what you guys said.

 

 

[razark]

2 hours ago, fredinno said:

Like why Rey was a ****hole to Finn when he was saving her at first because he was holding her hand.

Seriously?  If you go around grabbing people's hands that you just met, you're likely to get the same reaction.

[Deutherius]

8 hours ago, Kobymaru said:

2. EVERYTHING WAS SO GODDAMN EASY.

• Never used a lightsaber? Survive in a fight with a force-sensitive, trained Sith Lord. NO PROBLEM.
• Completely untrained in the Force? Let's use this Jedi Mind trick (that she's never heard of btw) on this trooper. NO PROBLEM.
• We just squinted at this Death Star 3.0 without having any intel, but now we know exactly how to blow it up, where to strike, what their defenses and their strength is. NO PROBLEM.
• Former storm trooper was in charge of the sewage system, so obviously he knows how to turn off the shield generators. NO PROBLEM.
• Former storm trooper claims he knows everything, let's just believe everything he says because one rebel pilot says he is his buddy.
• Oh, we just made up a plan to blow up the "exhaust port cover". Of course we know exactly where to strategically place dozens of explosive charges  to blow it up in just the right way without looking at any plans. NO PROBLEM.
• No failsafe? Again, a reactor with no safe shutdown mechanism, that blows up up from a few tiny proton torpedos? For the third time? NO PROBLEM.

I agree that everything seemed a little too easy, but I do have to disagree with some of the picks:
2.2 - She says the whole Jedi order, Death Star etc. was "a myth". Myths and legends have all kinds of stories circulating around, often rooted in truth. You cannot say she has absolutely never heard any stories about the Jedi controlling other creature's mind through the Force. And after what she did with Kylo Ren...
2.3 - They had intel. That intel was Finn. The Resistance technicians knew the amount of power the station was containing required some rather large and specialized components. Kinda like saying "Hey, that car is changing gears, it must have some kind of a clutch somewhere" and a nearby guy who is not a mechanic, but has thoroughly cleaned that car before saying "Yeah, that's the thingy over there".
2.4 - Former storm trooper actually confessed on screen that he had no idea how to turn the shield system generator off. He just said that to be able to go and rescue Rey.
2.5 - "We have no other chance, might as well trust this guy who already greatly helped us once"?
2.7 - They failed with the Death Star. They failed with the Death Star 2.0. I believe the course was obvious - they had to FAIL AGAIN

I know, I know, nitpicking. But hey, you were nitpicking first

As for the hype... I didn't get pulled in the hype train this time. I thought the movie had it's flaws, but was very enjoyable.

[KerbMav]

I stumbled upon another topic we could discuss to exhaustion.

http://use-the-force-rey.tumblr.com/post/136493415812/we-need-to-talk-about-kylo-rens-wound-at-first

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We need to talk about Kylo Ren’s wound.

At first, pounding on the gash in his side seems like a strange thing to do. Then, you remember: the Dark Side of the Force is fueled by rage and pain. He is hitting his injury to make himself stronger. It’s a survival tactic that probably prevented his body from undergoing shock. It’s what kept him alive. 

Not so fast. There’ s more.

Have you stopped to think about who shot him? Chewbacca.

Chewbacca, Han Solo’s best friend, comrade, copilot, and confidant. Chewbacca, whom Ben Solo grew up with. Chewbacca, who probably would have been the equivalent of Ben’s godfather. “Uncle” Chewie. Who would have patiently allowed infant Ben to tug and pull on his fur. Who would have taught him to speak Wookie, and let him play in the Millennium Falcon, even when Han said to cut it out. Who would have shown him that family and love come in all shapes and sizes. It was Chewbacca that shot him. Because Ben betrayed him. He is no longer Ben Solo, but Kylo Ren “Victorious Ruler.” This man is not the boy Chewie knew. And he just murdered Han Solo. The shot was based on an instinct. A gut reaction. And right after it was fired, you can see the pain in both of their faces.

The wound was inflicted by Kylo’s former friend, but it’s cause was his own action. The act that was meant to help him. The act that should have pushed him over the edge and into complete darkness. Kylo Ren’s last resort to resisting the call to the light.

Go back to him pounding his wound. Why was he hitting his injury?  He was bleeding out, after all. Blasts from the same weapon have taken down armored stormtroopers. Simple. It didn’t work. Killing Han Solo did not help Kylo Ren achieve darkness. If anything, it weakened him. By hitting his wounds, he’s not just inflicting physical pain, but the pain of every part of his injury: the death, the shot, and his failure. He’s hitting himself to relive that pain. But, after everything he is still drawn to the light. 

 

Edited January 7, 2016 by KerbMav

[luizopiloto]

Han Solo...

[fredinno]

4 hours ago, luizopiloto said:

Han Solo...

That was actually a pretty awesome part, though sad. Not really disappointing at all.

[lajoswinkler]

Watched it few days ago. Bland, mindless kids' movie, nothing better than the rest of the movies. I really see nothing appealing in this franchise. I guess you either love it or you don't.