wumpus Posted January 12, 2016 Share Posted January 12, 2016 12 hours ago, KerBlammo said: Corporate PR ranges from mildly informative to outright deceptive in my experience. Yes there is no obvious external damage to the booster but that does not mean it is capable of launching again. ... Won't someone think of the Space Nerds? Please? They said "fire" not "launch". Normal PR wouldn't care, but space nerd PR probably made sure the correct words were used for this copy. After all these launches, I wonder how close the damage is to expected models and what they will change with Falcon 1.3 (now that they know at least one datum of real measurement). Of course my real reason for posting is wondering where that Falcon will end up. My first choice would be the Smithsonian Air and Space Museum "Hall of Milestones". Best guess is that this won't happen: it is a hall of "firsts" (the Falcon was a milestone, just not a "first") and the Shuttle claimed most of the firsts in that regard*. It also probably won't fit. I'd even wonder if it would fit in the hall next door (with the V-2 and Skylab mockup), that has the bottom carved out for more room, but still is finite. I suppose that Udvar-Hazy has plenty of room (it is less than a quarter filled), but the thing would probably have to be sideways (and I suspect if would fit sideways downtown). * The recent Musk/Bezos hissy fit doesn't help things. Bezos owns the Washington Post and has a certain PR advantage in DC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motokid600 Posted January 12, 2016 Share Posted January 12, 2016 It'd be more appropriate if a museum got a booster that put something more significant into orbit. The first manned launch perhaps. They don't necessarily need to get the first one. Same with the Space Shuttle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wingman703 Posted January 12, 2016 Share Posted January 12, 2016 I think there are a few new shots in this, but nothing "spectacular"... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ANv5UfZsvZQ&feature=youtu.be Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Streetwind Posted January 12, 2016 Share Posted January 12, 2016 (edited) I dunno. The HD closeups of the landing burn igniting at 02:33+ were pretty spiffy. You can even see the green flash! And they did show a peek of the first stage's onboard cams continuing to record during reentry... though they're probably still holding most of that back. Edited January 12, 2016 by Streetwind Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KerBlammo Posted January 12, 2016 Share Posted January 12, 2016 yeah slick video with some pretty cool new views, but only a couple of seconds of new on-board video. Maybe there really isn't much to see. If they make this routine presumably at some point we'll see a rocket 's eye view of a daylight landing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spaceception Posted January 12, 2016 Share Posted January 12, 2016 Hey guys, look!! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ANv5UfZsvZQ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wingman703 Posted January 12, 2016 Share Posted January 12, 2016 (edited) Hey guys, Look!! Same video as posted above! Edited January 12, 2016 by Wingman703 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hcube Posted January 12, 2016 Share Posted January 12, 2016 1 hour ago, Wingman703 said: I think there are a few new shots in this, but nothing "spectacular"... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ANv5UfZsvZQ&feature=youtu.be Are you kidding me ? The landing shots in this video are immensely superior to the ones we already know, in quality and angles Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spaceception Posted January 12, 2016 Share Posted January 12, 2016 41 minutes ago, Wingman703 said: Hey guys, Look!! Same video as posted above! Well than... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Yellow Dart Posted January 12, 2016 Share Posted January 12, 2016 2 hours ago, KerBlammo said: Maybe there really isn't much to see. Yeah, I've been thinking that they haven't shown it because it was either iced over at some point or smoked up during descent and you just can't see anything during landing. The way the side of the booster looked, I can't imagine any downward facing camera would be able to get good video. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motokid600 Posted January 12, 2016 Share Posted January 12, 2016 (edited) Well the Chris B tweet used the word "amazing" so... We'll see. Edited January 12, 2016 by Motokid600 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wumpus Posted January 12, 2016 Share Posted January 12, 2016 4 hours ago, Motokid600 said: It'd be more appropriate if a museum got a booster that put something more significant into orbit. The first manned launch perhaps. They don't necessarily need to get the first one. Same with the Space Shuttle. There have been something like 300 manned space flights (135 shuttle, 128 Soyuz, and a bunch of others according to wiki). The space shuttle is a bad comparison, considering that the first two were the ones that were lost*. As far as "not the first one" goes, it might be awhile before a booster goes 10 for 10 and is retired. I'm guessing that most of the rest will either not stick the landing or possibly be sold as "expendable" (of course, last I heard that might only be an option on falcon heavy). This first one is being retired, so I'd guess that it would be most likely the only "returned falcon" for awhile. * after writing this I remembered I saw the Enterprise in the Smithsonian, and haven't been down to see its replacement. Also not a fair comparison: the Enterprise never went into space, while the "first landed Falcon**" did the full Falcon mission. ** All the planes and spacecraft in the "Hall of Milestones" have proper names (had to look up that the Apollo 11 capsule was "Columbia", the "Eagle" was the more famous name of that flight). Not sure how they would deal with "first Falcon 9 that landed". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wjolcz Posted January 12, 2016 Share Posted January 12, 2016 (edited) I really liked the vid. BTW what's the backstory of that Dragon capsule hanged under the ceiling near where the control room is? It looked like it's all smoked and used. Was it the first Dragon to orbit and they decided to keep it just like they want to keep that F9 first stage? Edited January 12, 2016 by Veeltch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mitchz95 Posted January 12, 2016 Share Posted January 12, 2016 2 minutes ago, Veeltch said: BTW what's the backstory of that Dragon capsule hanged under the ceiling near where the control room is? It looked like it's all smoked and used. Was it the first Dragon to orbit and they decided to keep it just like they want to keep that F9 first stage? That's it exactly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Yellow Dart Posted January 12, 2016 Share Posted January 12, 2016 57 minutes ago, Motokid600 said: Well the Chris B tweet used the word "amazing" so... We'll see. It also said he hadn't actually seen it, and that that was second hand info, so maybe some wires got crossed and someone misunderstood someone. I think if they were going to show it, it would have been in that video so I'm guessing the soot got the camera. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Val Posted January 13, 2016 Share Posted January 13, 2016 13 hours ago, Wingman703 said: I think there are a few new shots in this, but nothing "spectacular"... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ANv5UfZsvZQ&feature=youtu.be Damn, that brought the feels right back *wipes tear away* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wingman703 Posted January 13, 2016 Share Posted January 13, 2016 (edited) Don't get me wrong, the newer video was absolutely fantastic and brought back all the emotions, but I didn't see the "incredible" footage that had been hinted at. A few new angles and some slo mo, but again, nothing huge. Edited January 13, 2016 by Wingman703 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mitchz95 Posted January 13, 2016 Share Posted January 13, 2016 Quote A sign of things to come for SpaceX: Returned F9 S1 (OG2) back at SLC-40 for Static Fire tomorrow. F9 (Jason-3) at SLC-4 for weekend launch. https://twitter.com/NASASpaceflight/status/687306582250622976 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CatastrophicFailure Posted January 14, 2016 Share Posted January 14, 2016 According to AmericaSpace, next several launches are going to aim for barge: http://www.americaspace.com/?p=90612#more-90612 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kryten Posted January 14, 2016 Share Posted January 14, 2016 Americaspace are generally unreliable, their writing is sloppy at best. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrisDayVACCO Posted January 14, 2016 Share Posted January 14, 2016 On 1/6/2016 at 1:16 PM, Mazon Del said: I'm sure this has been asked before, but I am admittedly uncertain. From what we know does the Falcon 9, assuming you throw everything at the task (so no fuel leftover for landing and such), have enough dV to hurl anything (from a cubesat on up) into Lunar Orbit? If the F9 can get to LTO, CubeSats with onboard propulsion can probably deploy and get to the moon from there. Vermont Technical College has a design for a lunar orbiter and lander in a 3U CubeSat package. They have presented the design at a CubeSat Workshop in 2010: http://cubesat.org/images/cubesat/presentations/DevelopersWorkshop2010/3_1520_carl-brandon-developersworkshop-2010-revised.pdf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AngelLestat Posted January 14, 2016 Share Posted January 14, 2016 Why they cannot get permission for landing that it will happen long time after? They get FAA permission some days after the last time.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fredinno Posted January 14, 2016 Share Posted January 14, 2016 3 hours ago, ChrisDayVACCO said: If the F9 can get to LTO, CubeSats with onboard propulsion can probably deploy and get to the moon from there. Vermont Technical College has a design for a lunar orbiter and lander in a 3U CubeSat package. They have presented the design at a CubeSat Workshop in 2010: http://cubesat.org/images/cubesat/presentations/DevelopersWorkshop2010/3_1520_carl-brandon-developersworkshop-2010-revised.pdf I would just skip the complexity from doing that, and simply go for a Firefly Alpha or a Minotaur rocket to do that kind of job for me. Also, a propulasion system would be too big for a cubesat dispenser. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hcube Posted January 14, 2016 Share Posted January 14, 2016 1 hour ago, fredinno said: I would just skip the complexity from doing that, and simply go for a Firefly Alpha or a Minotaur rocket to do that kind of job for me. Also, a propulasion system would be too big for a cubesat dispenser. There are several propulsion modules for CubeSats. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Streetwind Posted January 14, 2016 Share Posted January 14, 2016 (edited) Considering one of the Google Lunar X-Prize teams has booked flights on the Rocket Labs Electron launcher, which can lift maybe one tenth of a fully expendable Falcon 9... yes, the Falcon 9 can definitely boost things to Lunar orbit and landing. Which is further reinforced by the fact that a different Google Lunar X-Prize team has purchased rideshare space on a (presumably non-expendable) Falcon 9 launch in order to go to the Moon. Not even a fully dedicated launch, just rideshare space (admittedly, probably as the majority share). And a third team decided to build an extra-big lander and join forces with at least two other teams which don't have the means to build the full architecture themselves (and possibly more, as there's still lander space avialbale), with the aim of purchasing an entire Falcon 9 launch as a group at a later date. Does that answer all questions about the F9's cislunar capabilities? Edited January 14, 2016 by Streetwind Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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