Conquest of space acc. to Nostradamus

[Green Baron]

Was just reading a news-article and stumbled upon this. Before someone posts it in Science & Spaceflight:

The french plague-doctor oracled the conquest of space, according to some bragadocios who demand interpretive sovereignty.

Well then, off to the stars.

It's a pity that so many credulously fall for such a bogus.

Nice weekend everyone

 

[Bill Phil]

It's not that hard to predict things, if you just take something to its logical conclusion.

The only issue with Nostradamus would be the modern day fake prophecies.

[Green Baron]

:-). Since entropy knows only one direction nobody is wrong predicting an end of everything.

 

Those were hard times between the medieval and the renaissance. Plague, scattered regionalism, battling bishops and profane leaders, anabaptists (e. g. Jan van Leiden, Zwingli), marauding hordes of lansquenets, brutally suppressed peasant uprisings, deteriorating climate and the protestant reformation, the schism of the church. End-time-prophets arose in every city preaching something they had picked up from hokuspokus-preachers. Few preachers even understood what they were telling cause they did not understand latin. He was just one of hundreds of self-proclaimed prophets, though more educated than most of the rest. All of them had to fear prosecution of the catholic church and thus somehow coded their phrases.

That makes it easy for today's wannabe prophets to "decipher" and sell it ...

Girls & boys, looking back i must say, we're really fine today :-)

 

Edited July 2, 2016 by Green Baron

[Bill Phil]

Some would probably make the argument that the Renaissance didn't exist, or at least not how we picture it. The famous artists of the Renaissance weren't even of similar age. We have to remember that the Medieval Era was actually pretty good for other parts of the world, and was actually pretty good even within itself. The life expectancy during the Medieval Era was longer than when Rome was ruling the Mediterranean.

What I mean is, of course, that the Arabic Empires where developing more complex mathematics, the Chinese were improving their technology (gunpowder came about in the middle of the Medieval Era) and there are plenty of examples of new tech that emerged during the Medieval Era. That's pretty interesting. It's hard to generalize a thousand years of history across a whole world, I suppose.

There are always prophets, the question really is, are they making profits?

[Nuke]

nostradamus is very poetic in his writings, its the same sort of unnecessary grandiosity you tend to find in religious texts. the excessive use of metaphor tends to result in a text that has a lot of potential meanings. the depiction of a dictator for example (hisstor) might come from historical accounts of similar tyranical rulers in the authors past. you can logically assume if there have been tyrants in your history then logically there would be tyrants in your future. you can take those historical events and spin them into a future scenario, and eventually time will produce a dictator that fits in lockstep with that description. the author may not even be aware that he is doing this. he might be drawing conclusions from his subconcious or his imagination, attribute it to forsight and let future historians be the judge.

anyone who has read the dune series understands the problems with prophecy. even if you receive a prophecy the information is useless. you are either powerless to change those events, or fore knowledge of those events causes them to happen. how do you know what you saw was an image of the future and not something you thought up. the protagonist in dune was asked if he could tell the difference between the dreems that come true and those that dont, to which he replies yes (i cant remember if that was in the book or one of the movies). every now and again i have a thought about something and then it happens, im not going to jump and call myself a prophet because of that mostly because i have no way of knowing before hand which thought is going to come true and which one wont. i have to write that off, if you guess enough things then statistically some of them will be right.

[RainDreamer]

On 03/07/2016 at 3:10 AM, Bill Phil said:

There are always prophets, the question really is, are they making profits?

What if they are prophets of profit? XD

1 hour ago, Nuke said:

 

anyone who has read the dune series understands the problems with prophecy. even if you receive a prophecy the information is useless. you are either powerless to change those events, or fore knowledge of those events causes them to happen. how do you know what you saw was an image of the future and not something you thought up. the protagonist in dune was asked if he could tell the difference between the dreems that come true and those that dont, to which he replies yes (i cant remember if that was in the book or one of the movies). every now and again i have a thought about something and then it happens, im not going to jump and call myself a prophet because of that mostly because i have no way of knowing before hand which thought is going to come true and which one wont. i have to write that off, if you guess enough things then statistically some of them will be right.

I think the problem of being able to see the future is more about not being sure which time line you are seeing, if you subscribe to multiverese theories.

 

 

On a random note, i suggest people trying out a game called Achron. It is an RTS with actual time travel mechanics that deserve playing. But i want to focus more on the campaign, where a battlefield tatical AI gains the ability to communicate with itself across time. The story is really interesting.

[StrandedonEarth]

12 hours ago, RainDreamer said:

prophets of profit

Coming Soon^Tm to a theater near you!

[kerbiloid]

Reading Dante's The Divine Comedy, you suddenly realize that all that pencraft prophecies were just up-to-the-minute pasquils pamphlets written to flint a night pot onto author's court rivals, but in artistic manner — and were not really intended to be prophecies. An author would be surprised a lot, if he knew what he did.