argentrolf Posted May 23, 2017 Share Posted May 23, 2017 Just had a though/idea... what exactly is the definition of a shuttle and ssto for the purpose of this challenge? I ask because i remembered a multistage idea i heard once. the concept is: 1. aircraft equipped with sequential (not asparagus) boosters that takes off from a runway and ascends to the limits of its airbreathing engines. 2. aircraft ignites outboard rockets to boost into the upper atmosphere 3. eject outboard rockets and ignite next-in-sequence 4. repeat until low orbit is attained 5. onboard lfo engines power craft into stable orbit and return. 6. craft enters atmosphere at low speed and shallow descent/high aoa 7. craft flies to and lands at base with airbreathing engines. would that be considered an ssto here, despite the staged boosters? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qzgy Posted May 24, 2017 Share Posted May 24, 2017 On 5/23/2017 at 10:16 PM, argentrolf said: what exactly is the definition of a shuttle and ssto for the purpose of this challenge? Expand You may have to ask @Speeding Mullet for the specifics, but an SSTO is defined as a craft that does not need to be sperated in any way, shape or form to be launched into a stable orbit. A shuttle must be staged at least once. I'm not sure whether the craft you described would be considered a shuttle or an SSTO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Speeding Mullet Posted May 24, 2017 Author Share Posted May 24, 2017 (edited) On 5/23/2017 at 4:08 AM, biomecaman said: Sts 3 and! Sts 4! Expand Very nicely done! I can only award you Pilot for STS 3 as the orbit was not inclined or above 500km, but I liked the telescope, very interesting design! For STS 4 the requirement for pilot is for an orbit of above 200km, so unfortunately I cannot technically award you the badge On 5/23/2017 at 5:11 PM, argentrolf said: btw, which is considered the more challenging? stock or modded? Expand They are both as challenging as you want to make them, play the game however you like. This challenge has gone well past the realm of "real" in it's current form and with some of the submissions (I mean someone thunder-punched a shuttle to orbit with a gigantic pair of fire fists for Kraken's sake) so yeah, seriously just have fun and do what you want, no one is going to break down your game-play style, especially in this thread. On 5/23/2017 at 10:16 PM, argentrolf said: Just had a though/idea... what exactly is the definition of a shuttle and ssto for the purpose of this challenge? I ask because i remembered a multistage idea i heard once. the concept is: *SNIP* would that be considered an ssto here, despite the staged boosters? Expand You've answered your own question twice there matey - "Multistage" and Staged Boosters". If things drop off (Intentionally) you are good to go. OK seriously though - The definition of a Shuttle for the purposes of this challenge is so loose these days that the only real caveat is "No pure-play SSTO". If bits fall off to get you to space I'm happy! If they fall off by accident it's funny, but you might not get a badge SM Edited May 24, 2017 by Speeding Mullet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
telomce Posted May 24, 2017 Share Posted May 24, 2017 Is completing the STS-9 mission for an Astronaut badge considered completing the mission to move on to the interplanetary challenges? PS. I moved just about yesterday, my big ol tower PC will get shipped in like a week. Working on paper now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Speeding Mullet Posted May 24, 2017 Author Share Posted May 24, 2017 On 5/24/2017 at 7:45 AM, telomce said: Is completing the STS-9 mission for an Astronaut badge considered completing the mission to move on to the interplanetary challenges? PS. I moved just about yesterday, my big ol tower PC will get shipped in like a week. Working on paper now. Expand STS-9 is the gateway to interplanetary greatness. Go get me a potato! SM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
battlekruiser Posted May 24, 2017 Share Posted May 24, 2017 (edited) STS2a / fail-ish STS2b They won't need their fuel since it's contaminated, right? Quote STS-9 is the gateway to interplanetary greatness. Go get me a potato! Expand So STS-3 or 8 are not enough to go beyond LKO yet? Also, may I launch pod for 2b mission via normal rocket? Please? Original one was alunched with shuttle and even recovered non-damaged. Edited May 24, 2017 by battlekruiser Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
telomce Posted May 26, 2017 Share Posted May 26, 2017 On 5/24/2017 at 1:54 PM, battlekruiser said: So STS-3 or 8 are not enough to go beyond LKO yet? Expand I don't think this is what SM meant. You can go anywhere you want, and STS-2 requires you to go over LKO. But if you can manage the asteroid, you'll manage the interplanetary missions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpaceEnthusiast23 Posted May 26, 2017 Share Posted May 26, 2017 Few questions. 1. Can I use nuclear engines? 2. Can I have moving fins that move depending on where the CoM is? 3. Can I make it airbreathing in atmosphere? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XLjedi Posted May 26, 2017 Share Posted May 26, 2017 On 5/26/2017 at 7:39 PM, SpaceEnthusiast23 said: Few questions. 1. Can I use nuclear engines? 2. Can I have moving fins that move depending on where the CoM is? 3. Can I make it airbreathing in atmosphere? Expand I've seen no such restrictions posted... for any of this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
53miner53 Posted May 26, 2017 Share Posted May 26, 2017 (edited) On 5/26/2017 at 7:39 PM, SpaceEnthusiast23 said: Few questions. 1. Can I use nuclear engines? 2. Can I have moving fins that move depending on where the CoM is? 3. Can I make it airbreathing in atmosphere? Expand 1. I've done it with no complaints. 2. I've done something similar with no complaints. 3. Since there were some early shuttle concepts that did this, I don't see why not. Edited May 26, 2017 by 53miner53 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qzgy Posted May 26, 2017 Share Posted May 26, 2017 On 5/26/2017 at 7:39 PM, SpaceEnthusiast23 said: Few questions. 1. Can I use nuclear engines? 2. Can I have moving fins that move depending on where the CoM is? 3. Can I make it airbreathing in atmosphere? Expand Yeah, following what the other said, I see no problems. The terms for a shuttle is kinda lax. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fulgora Posted May 26, 2017 Share Posted May 26, 2017 My submission for STS 3: Modlist, craft link and kOS soure can be found in the desciption of the video (as usual) cheers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpaceEnthusiast23 Posted May 26, 2017 Share Posted May 26, 2017 (edited) On 5/26/2017 at 7:59 PM, 53miner53 said: 3. Since there were some early shuttle concepts that did this, I don't see why not. Expand So that means that I can do something like Dyna-Soar right? Because it was another shuttle concept. Edited May 26, 2017 by SpaceEnthusiast23 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
53miner53 Posted May 26, 2017 Share Posted May 26, 2017 On 5/26/2017 at 11:14 PM, SpaceEnthusiast23 said: So that means that I can do something like Dyna-Soar right? Expand You would have to ask @Speeding Mullet about that, but I think it should be fine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zpj Posted May 26, 2017 Share Posted May 26, 2017 On 5/26/2017 at 7:39 PM, SpaceEnthusiast23 said: Few questions. 1. Can I use nuclear engines? 2. Can I have moving fins that move depending on where the CoM is? 3. Can I make it airbreathing in atmosphere? Expand 1: My entries did. 2: What do you mean by this? Pictures/video please. 3: Mine has 2 panthers for atmospheric flight after re-entry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qzgy Posted May 27, 2017 Share Posted May 27, 2017 (edited) On 5/26/2017 at 11:14 PM, SpaceEnthusiast23 said: So that means that I can do something like Dyna-Soar right? Because it was another shuttle concept. Expand Dyna soar is perfectly fine. Heck, I did a horizontal launch, two stage to orbit, nothing like that was made. Question for @Speeding Mullet or anyone who is confident enough to answer - for STS-9, would it be ok to launch a tug to get the asteroid and bring it back or do I have to use my shuttle to actually visit the asteroid? Edited May 27, 2017 by qzgy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpaceEnthusiast23 Posted May 27, 2017 Share Posted May 27, 2017 On 5/26/2017 at 11:30 PM, zpj said: 1: My entries did. 2: What do you mean by this? Pictures/video please. 3: Mine has 2 panthers for atmospheric flight after re-entry. Expand I meant using IR parts to make the CoL move according to where the CoM is to improve stability. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qzgy Posted May 27, 2017 Share Posted May 27, 2017 (edited) On 5/27/2017 at 1:27 AM, SpaceEnthusiast23 said: I meant using IR parts to make the CoL move according to where the CoM is to improve stability. Expand Shouldn't be a problem. I'm just wondering about structural issues. Never really played with IR. Edited May 27, 2017 by qzgy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
telomce Posted May 27, 2017 Share Posted May 27, 2017 On 5/27/2017 at 1:27 AM, SpaceEnthusiast23 said: I meant using IR parts to make the CoL move according to where the CoM is to improve stability. Expand IR mechanisms require engineering done to do what you want them to do, as well as support stuff (i.e. struts). So as long as you make your own mechanisms (which is inevitable), you can qualify for anything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Speeding Mullet Posted May 27, 2017 Author Share Posted May 27, 2017 Just stopping in to answer some questions, will probably review stuff tomorrow On 5/24/2017 at 1:54 PM, battlekruiser said: So STS-3 or 8 are not enough to go beyond LKO yet? Also, may I launch pod for 2b mission via normal rocket? Please? Original one was alunched with shuttle and even recovered non-damaged. Expand You can go where you like, but to access the interplanetary missions you have to have completed STS 1-9. 2B is not a mandatory mission so you don't have to do it to progress. If you've already sent a fuel pod up there, the idea is to retrieve that one. If it's no longer in space for some reason you can smash one up there using hyperedit, or a rocket or something if you like. On 5/26/2017 at 7:39 PM, SpaceEnthusiast23 said: Few questions. 1. Can I use nuclear engines? 2. Can I have moving fins that move depending on where the CoM is? 3. Can I make it airbreathing in atmosphere? Expand Yes, Yes, Yes. On 5/26/2017 at 11:14 PM, SpaceEnthusiast23 said: So that means that I can do something like Dyna-Soar right? Because it was another shuttle concept. Expand Yes. On 5/27/2017 at 12:54 AM, qzgy said: for STS-9, would it be ok to launch a tug to get the asteroid and bring it back or do I have to use my shuttle to actually visit the asteroid? Expand The shuttle has to go and get the Asteroid, but most people launch with some sort of tug or apparatus in the cargo bay that they use to help them during the mission. On 5/27/2017 at 1:27 AM, SpaceEnthusiast23 said: I meant using IR parts to make the CoL move according to where the CoM is to improve stability. Expand Yes. You would just be in the modded category which isn't an issue. SM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
overkill13 Posted May 27, 2017 Share Posted May 27, 2017 (edited) In before the next review. STS 5-8 with a test of a new shuttle (don't worry about badges for the new one). Almost forgot a mod list. KER, KAC, DPAI, Trajectories, Precise Node Shuttles: All Stock Station: Stock parts, Tweakscale Edited May 28, 2017 by overkill13 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpaceEnthusiast23 Posted May 27, 2017 Share Posted May 27, 2017 On 5/27/2017 at 7:40 AM, Speeding Mullet said: Just stopping in to answer some questions, will probably review stuff tomorrow You can go where you like, but to access the interplanetary missions you have to have completed STS 1-9. 2B is not a mandatory mission so you don't have to do it to progress. If you've already sent a fuel pod up there, the idea is to retrieve that one. If it's no longer in space for some reason you can smash one up there using hyperedit, or a rocket or something if you like. Yes, Yes, Yes. Yes. The shuttle has to go and get the Asteroid, but most people launch with some sort of tug or apparatus in the cargo bay that they use to help them during the mission. Yes. You would just be in the modded category which isn't an issue. SM Expand Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cadet_BNSF Posted May 27, 2017 Share Posted May 27, 2017 (edited) This is my first shuttle ever. It is crazy hard to fly once it drops the SRBs and almost impossible to get into orbit. However, it flew, and I consider that an achievement in itself. I think this should count for STS-1 On the launch pad, the Shuttle Alaska stands proud. Ascent Just after dropping the SRBs. You can see them exploding behind the shuttle Maneuver node is set. Performing the circularization burn. You can see how it wants to roll. Final orbit. Took me three burns to get Preparing for reentry Reentry Forgot landing gear, so I deployed the emergency parachutes and ditched Safe and sound, but upside down Edited May 27, 2017 by Cadet_BNSF Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
armegeddon Posted May 28, 2017 Share Posted May 28, 2017 (edited) I had so much trouble with getting the alignment of LFO engines on the orbit correct I decided to do a Buran style shuttle instead. Still ended up taking dozens of test flights to get the thing to land with the fuel pod. I figured while I was at it, and had some room in the cargo bay I would test out a simple MMU design for later missions. Everything was going perfectly fine with the mission until just before landing I pitched up too high and stalled and crashed. Thankfully there was a random temporal anomaly that reversed time to just before landing and I was able to do it again and landed safely this time. I did mean to stream this mission, but hit record instead of stream and I do not want to upload a 7GB video tonight. Might retry the mission and stream it correctly in a day or two. Installed mods: ABookCase Orbital Reference System (ABCORS 0.4.1.0) Action Groups Extended (AGExt 2.2) Alternate Resource Panel (AlternateResourcePanel v2.9.1.0) AtmosphereAutopilot (Fly-By-Wire) (AtmosphereAutopilot v1.5.10) (USED ONLY FOR TESTING PROPER AOA WHILE LANDING) Automated Screenshots & Saves (AutomatedScreenshots 0.7.9) BetterBurnTime (BetterBurnTime 1.5.3) Camera Focus Changer (CameraFocusChanger v1.0.1.0) CraftHistory (CraftHistory 2.1.0) Docking Port Alignment Indicator (DockingPortAlignmentIndicator 6.5.2) Editor Extensions Redux (EditorExtensionsRedux 3.3.12) Environmental Visual Enhancements (EnvironmentalVisualEnhancements 2:EVE-1.2.2-1) Filter Extensions - Default Configuration (FilterExtensionsDefaultConfig 2.8.1.2) Filter Extensions - Plugin (FilterExtensions 2.8.1.2) FuseBox Continued (FuseBoxContinued 0.1.9) Hangar Extender (HangarExtender 1:v3.4.9) Hangar Grid (HangarGrid 0.4.0) HyperEdit (HyperEdit 1.5.3.0) (NOT USED IN ACTUAL MISSION) Kerbal Alarm Clock (KerbalAlarmClock v3.8.4.0) Kerbal Engineer Redux (KerbalEngineerRedux 1.1.2.8) KerboKatz - SmallUtilities - FPSViewer (KerboKatzSmallUtilities-FPSViewer 1.5.1) KerboKatz - SmallUtilities - PhysicalTimeRatioViewer (KerboKatzSmallUtilities-PhysicalTimeRatioViewer 1.5.1) KerboKatzUtilities (KerboKatzUtilities 1.4.7) Kopernicus Planetary System Modifier (Kopernicus 2:release-1.2.2-6) KSP AVC (MiniAVC 1.0.3.0) KSP AVC (KSP-AVC 1.1.6.2) KSPDev LogConsole (KSPDev-LogConsole 1:0.13.1) Landing Height Display (LandingHeight 2.1) MechJeb 2 - DEV RELEASE (MechJeb2-dev 2.6.0.0-698) MechJeb and Engineer for all! (MechJebForAll 1.2.0.0) ModularFlightIntegrator (ModularFlightIntegrator 1.2.4.0) Module Manager (ModuleManager 2.7.6) NavHud (NavHud 1.3.3) Olympic1's ARP Icons (Olympic1ARPIcons 1:v0.10.3) Pood's Deep Star Map Skybox (PoodsDeepStarMap 1.0.0)RCS Build Aid (RCSBuildAid v0.9.1) ReCoupler (ReCoupler 1:1.3.0) REPOSoftTech-Agencies (REPOSoftTech-Agencies V1.4.6.0) scatterer (Scatterer 2:v0.0300) SmokeScreen - Extended FX Plugin (SmokeScreen 2.7.4.0) Stock Visual Enhancements (StockVisualEnhancements 3:1.2.2) Stock Visual Enhancements: Scatterer Configs (SVE-Scatterer-Config 2:1.1.6) Stock Visual Enhancements: Sunflare (SVE-Sunflare 2:1.1.6) Stock Visual Enhancements-High Res Textures (SVE-HighResolution 3:1.0) Stock Visual Terrain (for Windows) (SVT-Windows 2.0.4) TextureReplacer (TextureReplacer v2.5.4) Toolbar (Toolbar 1.7.13) TriggerAu Flags (TriggerAu-Flags v2.9.1.0) Edited May 28, 2017 by armegeddon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alchemist Posted May 28, 2017 Share Posted May 28, 2017 Finally got to make a video of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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