Xd the great Posted January 20, 2019 Share Posted January 20, 2019 On 1/20/2019 at 4:31 AM, Ultimate Steve said: It was designed for propulsive landing after de-orbit. I think the only design change is not doing the landings, I doubt they would have resized the fuel tanks. Of course I could very well be wrong, so take this with a grain (or mountain) of salt. Expand What about venting fuel after deorbiting and before chute opening? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kerbiloid Posted January 20, 2019 Share Posted January 20, 2019 On 1/20/2019 at 5:02 AM, Xd the great said: What about venting fuel after deorbiting and before chute opening? Expand It's hypergolic, flammable, and toxic.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xd the great Posted January 20, 2019 Share Posted January 20, 2019 On 1/20/2019 at 5:19 AM, kerbiloid said: It's hypergolic, flammable, and toxic.. Expand The apollo did this... And wouldnt the propulsive landings be harder without altitude to surface, which the dragon is unlikely equipped with? Chances are that propulsive landing would be harder than a failing triple chute. The last time a chute failed, it was the soyuz 1. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kerbiloid Posted January 20, 2019 Share Posted January 20, 2019 (edited) On 1/20/2019 at 5:47 AM, Xd the great said: The apollo did this... Expand https://www.hq.nasa.gov/alsj/CSM06_Command_Module_Overview_pp39-52.pdf 270 lb on start, so a pair of canisters on descending. On 1/20/2019 at 5:47 AM, Xd the great said: The last time a chute failed, it was the soyuz 1. Expand When it totally failed. Sometimes 1 of 3 failed. Edited January 20, 2019 by kerbiloid Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KSK Posted January 20, 2019 Share Posted January 20, 2019 (edited) On 1/20/2019 at 5:19 AM, kerbiloid said: It's hypergolic, flammable, and toxic.. Expand As opposed to all those entirely non-flammable rocket fuels presumably? Edit: Scratch that comment before this thread devolves into an argument as to whether kerosene counts as a flammable fuel. Edited January 20, 2019 by KSK Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kerbiloid Posted January 20, 2019 Share Posted January 20, 2019 On 1/20/2019 at 7:51 AM, KSK said: As opposed to all those entirely non-flammable rocket fuels presumably? Expand As opposed to all things which you want to pour on your capsule. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CatastrophicFailure Posted January 20, 2019 Share Posted January 20, 2019 On 1/20/2019 at 7:51 AM, KSK said: As opposed to all those entirely non-flammable rocket fuels presumably? Expand On 1/20/2019 at 7:57 AM, kerbiloid said: As opposed to all things which you want to pour on your capsule. Expand I launched a rocket with just air and water, once. Granted it didn’t go very high, but... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xd the great Posted January 20, 2019 Share Posted January 20, 2019 (edited) On 1/20/2019 at 7:59 AM, CatastrophicFailure said: I launched a rocket with just air and water, once. Granted it didn’t go very high, but... Expand *blasts rocket aluminium strut with water beofre launching it* *rocket explodes* Edited January 20, 2019 by Xd the great Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DDE Posted January 20, 2019 Share Posted January 20, 2019 On 1/20/2019 at 5:47 AM, Xd the great said: And wouldnt the propulsive landings be harder without altitude to surface, which the dragon is unlikely equipped with? Expand They would, but it’s relatively trivial to upgrade it with something like the Soviet strontium-based Kaktus gamma-ray backscatter altimeter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Scotius Posted January 20, 2019 Share Posted January 20, 2019 Wow! StarHopper is that big? I mean, i've seen tiny peple next to it, but comparing it to Space Shuttle really bring things into perspective. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DDE Posted January 20, 2019 Share Posted January 20, 2019 On 1/20/2019 at 9:49 PM, Scotius said: Wow! StarHopper is that big? I mean, i've seen tiny peple next to it, but comparing it to Space Shuttle really bring things into perspective. Expand Zero surprise. Sci-fi ship designers have been adding “greebles” to their ships since forever to make them seem bigger than a flat surface would. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tater Posted January 20, 2019 Share Posted January 20, 2019 On 1/20/2019 at 9:55 PM, DDE said: Zero surprise. Sci-fi ship designers have been adding “greebles” to their ships since forever to make them seem bigger than a flat surface would. Expand Starship would look like greeble on those Star Destroyers, since the Millenium Falcon was stuck to the back of a SD bridge below one of the geodesic domes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cubinator Posted January 20, 2019 Share Posted January 20, 2019 (edited) On 1/20/2019 at 11:12 PM, tater said: Starship would look like greeble on those Star Destroyers, since the Millenium Falcon was stuck to the back of a SD bridge below one of the geodesic domes. Expand It would look more or less like this: So, not quite blending in with the rest of the greeble. An Imperial-class Star Destroyer is 1600 m long, or almost exactly one mile. Edited January 20, 2019 by cubinator Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tater Posted January 21, 2019 Share Posted January 21, 2019 On 1/20/2019 at 11:52 PM, cubinator said: So, not quite blending in with the rest of the greeble. An Imperial-class Star Destroyer is 1600 m long, or almost exactly one mile. Expand That's the bogus figure you see on the internet, but the Falcon on the back makes that 1600m figure way too big. I want to say it's closer to 700m. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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MaverickSawyer Posted January 21, 2019 Share Posted January 21, 2019 On 1/21/2019 at 12:12 AM, tater said: That's the bogus figure you see on the internet, but the Falcon on the back makes that 1600m figure way too big. I want to say it's closer to 700m. Expand *coughs* Canonical, Disney Approved Data. The movies are FULL of inconsistencies, especially in ESD and RotJ. These have sparked endless debate about the *real* size of ships, yes, but almost exclusively the Executor, not the ISD. Back on topic, though... I'm increasingly curious as to how this is going to shake out. Part of me remains deeply skeptical, but I was also deeply skeptical of their plans to reuse the Falcon 9 first stage, and we all know how that turned out. It;s a shame they decided not to attempt reuse of the second stage as well... they've got a heck of a product with the Block 5 Falcon 9. It'd be a shame to just throw it away when they get their (literally) shiny new toy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnmorris Posted January 21, 2019 Share Posted January 21, 2019 On 1/20/2019 at 9:46 PM, tater said: Heheh: Expand I really like the design of a rocket in the middle. It looks spectacular on the photo that Elon shared in his Twitter. I wonder how the third rocket will look like. Hope to see it in the near future. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tater Posted January 21, 2019 Share Posted January 21, 2019 On 1/21/2019 at 8:26 AM, MaverickSawyer said: *coughs* Canonical, Disney Approved Data. The movies are FULL of inconsistencies, especially in ESD and RotJ. These have sparked endless debate about the *real* size of ships, yes, but almost exclusively the Executor, not the ISD. Expand I don't care what any approved data says, I can see the 2 stuck together, which is the best relative measure. If 2 ships look the same... they're the same. A CA doesn't look exactly like a BB perfectly scaled down. On topic: LOL, Startship cam (live cam feed from South padre Island, the view switches, but wait a couple minutes and you'll see close ups): Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rakaydos Posted January 21, 2019 Share Posted January 21, 2019 On 1/21/2019 at 2:25 PM, tater said: I don't care what any approved data says, I can see the 2 stuck together, which is the best relative measure. If 2 ships look the same... they're the same. A CA doesn't look exactly like a BB perfectly scaled down. Expand That's a problem with the Falcon, not the ISD. See also the falcon docked with the medical frigate in the same movie, and the medical bay window with known characters standing next to it, does not match those same characters standing against or inside the falcon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tater Posted January 21, 2019 Share Posted January 21, 2019 On 1/21/2019 at 3:16 PM, Rakaydos said: That's a problem with the Falcon, not the ISD. See also the falcon docked with the medical frigate in the same movie, and the medical bay window with known characters standing next to it, does not match those same characters standing against or inside the falcon. Expand More evidence Lucas is an idiot then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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