Brofessional Posted December 11, 2018 Share Posted December 11, 2018 "Well there's your problem" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lajoswinkler Posted December 11, 2018 Share Posted December 11, 2018 Who the hell thought this insulation massacre was a good idea? Does anyone see how much orbital debris this is creating? They already made few thousands particles, largest of them being big as notebooks. I know they're harmless for ISS and that they will deorbit in few months, but what about stuff passing through the orbital layer like geostationary transfer orbits, or any other artificial satellites (and other large debris) passing through it? Roskosmos is doing this without proper justification. This is insanity. I'll try to observe ISS the next few days, those large sheets of Mylar spinning next to the station might be visible as glinting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sh1pman Posted December 11, 2018 Share Posted December 11, 2018 4 minutes ago, lajoswinkler said: Who the hell thought this insulation massacre was a good idea? Does anyone see how much orbital debris this is creating? They already made few thousands particles, largest of them being big as notebooks. I know they're harmless for ISS and that they will deorbit in few months, but what about stuff passing through the orbital layer like geostationary transfer orbits, or any other artificial satellites (and other large debris) passing through it? Roskosmos is doing this without proper justification. This is insanity. I'll try to observe ISS the next few days, those large sheets of Mylar spinning next to the station might be visible as glinting. Nah, it's not that bad. The sheets are super light for their size and surface area, and will deorbit in a week or two. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lajoswinkler Posted December 11, 2018 Share Posted December 11, 2018 2 minutes ago, sh1pman said: Nah, it's not that bad. The sheets are super light for their size and surface area, and will deorbit in a week or two. It's not just mylar. There's more, and there's a lot of small stuff. Where did you get the "week or two" value from? That seems really off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brofessional Posted December 11, 2018 Share Posted December 11, 2018 "We still don't see the hole" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sh1pman Posted December 11, 2018 Share Posted December 11, 2018 3 minutes ago, lajoswinkler said: It's not just mylar. There's more, and there's a lot of small stuff. Where did you get the "week or two" value from? That seems really off. Guessed, based on how light these pieces of foil are. They have found the hole. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CatastrophicFailure Posted December 11, 2018 Share Posted December 11, 2018 This is taking the whole “rocket surgery” gag a bit too far. I keep picturing the other guy lovingly patting the hull and saying, “is not bad, you stay with us! You are stronk, like bool! Is almost over.” Wonder if they’re gonna stitch it up when done... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DDE Posted December 11, 2018 Share Posted December 11, 2018 Just now, CatastrophicFailure said: Wonder if they’re gonna stitch it up when done... Apparently they'll just slap a spare thermal blanket on it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CatastrophicFailure Posted December 11, 2018 Share Posted December 11, 2018 5 minutes ago, DDE said: Apparently they'll just slap a spare thermal blanket on it. So instead of stitches it gets a bandage. Shame it’s just going to burn up eventually, that thing belongs in a collection. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DDE Posted December 11, 2018 Share Posted December 11, 2018 The original Roscosmos stream is fly-covered bovine excrements. Buffers so badly I can't even hear the words. "A series of cutting tools and a knife" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DDE Posted December 11, 2018 Share Posted December 11, 2018 Also an obligatory "To the right... other right!" gag. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DDE Posted December 11, 2018 Share Posted December 11, 2018 Darn it, he's lost two samples before breaking the scissors... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sh1pman Posted December 11, 2018 Share Posted December 11, 2018 8 minutes ago, DDE said: Darn it, he's lost two samples before breaking the scissors... He got the sample though. And collected some dust with sandpaper instrument. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DDE Posted December 11, 2018 Share Posted December 11, 2018 1 minute ago, sh1pman said: He got the sample though. And collected some dust with sandpaper instrument. Not before a bit almost struck the damned camera. The part of the plug closest to the surface was the most valuable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MinimumSky5 Posted December 11, 2018 Share Posted December 11, 2018 No thermal blankets necessary... I so want to see the insulation flapping around as the Soyuz undocks! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DDE Posted December 11, 2018 Share Posted December 11, 2018 Apparently they're about to have an overzealous "low oxygen" alert. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperFastJellyfish Posted December 11, 2018 Share Posted December 11, 2018 1 hour ago, lajoswinkler said: It's not just mylar. There's more, and there's a lot of small stuff. Where did you get the "week or two" value from? That seems really off. On the NASA TV stream of the EVA, the mission control narrator said that the debris would reenter "in a day or so". That seems fairly quick. Maybe he was just talking about the fiberglass insulation bits. I'm not sure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DDE Posted December 11, 2018 Share Posted December 11, 2018 7:25 and counting? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lajoswinkler Posted December 11, 2018 Share Posted December 11, 2018 53 minutes ago, SuperFastJellyfish said: On the NASA TV stream of the EVA, the mission control narrator said that the debris would reenter "in a day or so". That seems fairly quick. Maybe he was just talking about the fiberglass insulation bits. I'm not sure. Only the lightest flat parts. But there was plenty of thick material torn away. I suppose it's kevlar or something. Still very stupid to produce so much debris. They were also endangering themselves with potential of piercing the suit, and still are because they're dangling around. All because of one tiny hole. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kerbiloid Posted December 12, 2018 Share Posted December 12, 2018 8 hours ago, lajoswinkler said: but what about stuff passing through the orbital layer like geostationary transfer orbits Happily unlike KSP they are being quickly slowered by the air drag, and unlike KSP ISS is not orbiting in equatorial plane. 7 hours ago, lajoswinkler said: and there's a lot of small stuff. Where did you get the "week or two" value from? Once-twice per year they have to raise even ISS orbit. According to wiki, there are >200 000 pieces and 5 000 t of junk already in orbits up to 2000 km. So, these several kg don't make space much more dirty. 7 hours ago, Brofessional said: "We still don't see the hole" And again: if they had cigarettes, one should just smoke inside, and others easily see the smoke jet from outside. 7 hours ago, DDE said: "A series of cutting tools and a knife" Spoiler 6 hours ago, MinimumSky5 said: I so want to see the insulation flapping around as the Soyuz undocks! They will use RCS. Spoiler P.S. These pics look like cutting a hunted whale. P.P.S. Just realied than "СОЮЗ" looks similar being flipped or rotated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DDE Posted December 12, 2018 Share Posted December 12, 2018 (edited) Rogozin’s recent proclamation is interesting: “the samples will be returned on December 20 and handed over to relevant organs”. Roscosmos isn’t an organ. Its component units are not organs because they’re nominally independent FGUPs. In Russian without a qualifier the term organs means the Alphabet Soup Agencies. There be ban bait in these waters. Edited December 12, 2018 by DDE Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DDE Posted December 12, 2018 Share Posted December 12, 2018 The photos of the pre-EVA training are a meme goldmine. Adidas. War. War never cjanges. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YNM Posted December 12, 2018 Share Posted December 12, 2018 12 hours ago, lajoswinkler said: but what about stuff passing through the orbital layer like geostationary transfer orbits, or any other artificial satellites (and other large debris) passing through it? They can track it down. And imagine fairings or other dismantled insulation. Also Cubesats. (ISS releases a lot of cubesats.) I suppose it's already deadly anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DDE Posted December 12, 2018 Share Posted December 12, 2018 (edited) Speaking of things that are deadly, I’ve decided to check the history of bladed weapons in spaceflight. It’s a rich one, and the TP-82’s machete stock is nowhere near the pioneer. Apparently Mercury-Atlas was equipped with a knife rated for cutting your way out of the damned capsule. Edited December 12, 2018 by DDE Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kerbiloid Posted December 12, 2018 Share Posted December 12, 2018 17 minutes ago, DDE said: Speaking of things that are deadly, I’ve decided to check the history of bladed weapons in spaceflight. It’s a rich one, and the TP-82’s machete stock is nowhere near the first one. Apparently Mercury-Atlas was equipped with a knife rated for cutting your way out of the damned capsule. Wasn't there a poisoned stiletto 2mm thick? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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