MinimumSky5 Posted December 8, 2018 Share Posted December 8, 2018 I've never understood the secrecy that CNSA have towards their launches. This is either thumbing their nose at the Americans, or simple national pride, or genuine curiosity (in descending order of likely hood) and in all three cases, there is no reason to hide what you are doing. We know the design of the rockets and where they are launched, so this secrecy helps no one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kerbiloid Posted December 8, 2018 Share Posted December 8, 2018 2 hours ago, MinimumSky5 said: I've never understood the secrecy that CNSA have towards their launches. This is either thumbing their nose at the Americans, or simple national pride, or genuine curiosity (in descending order of likely hood) and in all three cases, there is no reason to hide what you are doing. We know the design of the rockets and where they are launched, so this secrecy helps no one. Modesty saves from sarcasm when something is overestimated but went wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ho Lam Kerman Posted December 8, 2018 Share Posted December 8, 2018 (edited) Being a citizen of their country, I've never understood it too. I remember watching Shenzhou 10 launching live on television*, but I've never seen any other Chinese launch live. I'd understand if it was a classified payload, but BeiDou navigation satellites and Chang'e 4? I simply don't get it. *(I was out eating in some Chinese restaurant somewhere, and I remember the news flashing the countdown clock for Shenzhou-10. We were about to leave, but I persuaded everyone to watch the launch until it gets to orbit. This was the first time I had ever watched any launch live.) Edited December 10, 2018 by Ho Lam Kerman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xd the great Posted December 8, 2018 Share Posted December 8, 2018 (edited) 2 hours ago, MinimumSky5 said: I've never understood the secrecy that CNSA have towards their launches. This is either thumbing their nose at the Americans, or simple national pride, or genuine curiosity (in descending order of likely hood) and in all three cases, there is no reason to hide what you are doing. We know the design of the rockets and where they are launched, so this secrecy helps no one. This. Is. CHINA! Jokes aside, the russians said they found the crew of soyuz tm35 even if it landed miles away from the intended landing site, the crew is niwhere to be found. Damn. Edited December 8, 2018 by Xd the great Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThatGuyWithALongUsername Posted December 8, 2018 Share Posted December 8, 2018 3 hours ago, MinimumSky5 said: I've never understood the secrecy that CNSA have towards their launches. This is either thumbing their nose at the Americans, or simple national pride, or genuine curiosity (in descending order of likely hood) and in all three cases, there is no reason to hide what you are doing. We know the design of the rockets and where they are launched, so this secrecy helps no one. I think they're afraid of broadcasting a failure. Sure, broadcasting a success would be great, but these rockets might fail, and they don't want the publicity that comes with live video of a failure (see the ongoing discussion in the SpaceX thread as an example). Announcing quietly that "oh, it failed" is a much less captivating way to announce a failure, and if the launch is a success we often get a launch video later on. They were actually starting to livestream just a bit more a few years ago, but then the second flight of the Long March 5 failed live on camera and they haven't done anything like it since. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kerbiloid Posted December 8, 2018 Share Posted December 8, 2018 Imho not about a particular failure, but about the progress in whole, false steps, so on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ho Lam Kerman Posted December 8, 2018 Share Posted December 8, 2018 (edited) 55 minutes ago, ThatGuyWithALongUsername said: They were actually starting to livestream just a bit more a few years ago, but then the second flight of the Long March 5 failed live on camera and they haven't done anything like it since. Aww, snap! I'd love to have seen a few livestreams, but I wasn't as into spaceflight as I am now! I really look forward to them doing it again! (Just a quick question... did they livestream on YouTube, or a different platform? I'm guessing they were livestreaming on a different platform as YouTube is banned in China.) Edited December 8, 2018 by Ho Lam Kerman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThatGuyWithALongUsername Posted December 8, 2018 Share Posted December 8, 2018 2 hours ago, Ho Lam Kerman said: Aww, snap! I'd love to have seen a few livestreams, but I wasn't as into spaceflight as I am now! I really look forward to them doing it again! (Just a quick question... did they livestream on YouTube, or a different platform? I'm guessing they were livestreaming on a different platform as YouTube is banned in China.) IDK, I wasn't watching them either. I've only heard this somewhere. It wasn't on every launch, either, just slightly more notable ones, I think. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Ho Lam Kerman Posted December 14, 2018 Share Posted December 14, 2018 On 9/18/2018 at 8:47 AM, Ho Lam Kerman said: Hey, are they launching a Kuaizhou-1A? They're doing it again? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YNM Posted December 14, 2018 Share Posted December 14, 2018 (edited) On 12/9/2018 at 12:33 AM, ThatGuyWithALongUsername said: IDK, I wasn't watching them either. I've only heard this somewhere. It wasn't on every launch, either, just slightly more notable ones, I think. Their military have had ? a youtube channel. It was on that. I posted one of their livestreams here (LM-5 maiden launch) on the forum, I tracked through the various changes in the livestream address. Hence I'm guessing they have their own version of YouTube and they'd have it there. Wouldn't surprise me if the reason we haven't seen it is because they only broadcast it internally. Edited December 15, 2018 by YNM fixed a few things. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ho Lam Kerman Posted December 14, 2018 Share Posted December 14, 2018 42 minutes ago, YNM said: I'm guessing they have their own version of YouTube The Chinese version of YouTube is called Youku. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YNM Posted December 14, 2018 Share Posted December 14, 2018 (edited) 40 minutes ago, Ho Lam Kerman said: The Chinese version of YouTube is called Youku. Well if you have a good knowledge of mandarin, I suppose you'll be able to find it. The channel it was hosted was named "REVOLUTIONARY FORCES" but now they've gone a bit discreet (by naming it with chinese characters and probably in mandarin which most people don't really know - not all chinese are han). They also have the launch of Tianzhou-1. So if you are able to find their successor it'd be nice. Another reason why I suspect they have livestreams still within their sites is the fact that most of the stuff posted about chinese launches are from those internal sites as well, so I can only presume they still have domestic fanbases; and these clips seems to be what you'd feature in a livestream as well. Edited December 14, 2018 by YNM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ho Lam Kerman Posted December 14, 2018 Share Posted December 14, 2018 I'll have a look. I've never used Youku, and I'm pretty trash at Mandarin (English is practically my de facto first language). ...... Hmmm. A quick search shows that they've got a few videos, a lot of them of the OneSpace Chongqing Liangjiang Star (which is a hecka long name for a small rocket in my opinion), and a few Long Marches, but no livestreams. I'll try hunting for the successor in the coming days. If I think I've found them, I'll let you guys know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YNM Posted December 15, 2018 Share Posted December 15, 2018 On 12/8/2018 at 6:51 PM, Ho Lam Kerman said: ... I remember the news flashing the countdown clock for Shenzhou-10. ... Speaking of which : An archive of Shenzou-11 launch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ho Lam Kerman Posted December 15, 2018 Share Posted December 15, 2018 9 minutes ago, YNM said: An archive of Shenzou-11 launch. Judging by the watermark in the top left corner, this looks like it was streamed on TV as well. Too bad I missed it. Oh well... I won't be missing Shenzhou 12. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tater Posted December 15, 2018 Author Share Posted December 15, 2018 If you see live streams, post them here! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedKraken Posted December 22, 2018 Share Posted December 22, 2018 CZ-11 Hongyun launch success from JSLC. This is the 5th successful cz-11 launch since 2015. https://mp.weixin.qq.com/s/R7W82y-0C6-XYgOQEBu7YA CZ-11 is believed to be a modified DF-31 icbm. 3 stages. all solids. ~60 tonnes. 700kg to LEO. 350kg to SSO. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Long_March_11 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DF-31 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ultimate Steve Posted December 23, 2018 Share Posted December 23, 2018 23 hours ago, RedKraken said: https://mp.weixin.qq.com/s/R7W82y-0C6-XYgOQEBu7YA When I translate something I get an image caption that is a bit funny - "Rocket in the technical area" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DDE Posted December 24, 2018 Share Posted December 24, 2018 On 12/8/2018 at 12:34 PM, MinimumSky5 said: I've never understood the secrecy that CNSA have towards their launches. This is either thumbing their nose at the Americans, or simple national pride, or genuine curiosity (in descending order of likely hood) and in all three cases, there is no reason to hide what you are doing. We know the design of the rockets and where they are launched, so this secrecy helps no one. Attempts to maintain long-breached opsec are part and parcel of that business. Combine this with sociaist states generally treating all info on a need-to-know basis, and you have a general cultural aversion to publicity. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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MaverickSawyer Posted December 29, 2018 Share Posted December 29, 2018 Now that's something you don't see every day... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scotius Posted December 29, 2018 Share Posted December 29, 2018 Yup. Soooo... very.... slooowww fall It bodes well for SpaceX attempts at fairing recovery. If only something could be done with all that salty water... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nightside Posted December 29, 2018 Share Posted December 29, 2018 That fairing video is extremely unsatisfying. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tater Posted December 29, 2018 Author Share Posted December 29, 2018 4 minutes ago, Nightside said: That fairing video is extremely unsatisfying. IKR Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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