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On 2/23/2019 at 7:00 AM, Harry Rhodan said:

I'm always baffled by how much some people feel threatened by a cute little cat.

 

On 2/22/2019 at 4:58 PM, GDJ said:

Besides, its only one day. The cat comes, the cat goes. What's the big deal people?


People with crappy internet really hate waiting for clean downloads when they panic and erase the whole installation because it's not PERFECTLY CLEAR whether or not something is actually wrong... Just to find out the cat won't go away.

@sarbian If you won't give us an option to turn off the cat, how about a discrete warning message to go with it? Something short and sweet like "Happy Hipster Cat Day," or "April Fools!" or when things are really broken: "All ur modz R belong to us." It's not THAT big a compromise and everybody's a happy hippy, right?

P.S. I have no hope for change, honestly. [snip]

On 2/22/2019 at 4:40 PM, Capt. Hunt said:

Admittedly, @sarbian this comes up all the time, I think people are getting tired of explaining this old joke to teh noobs.

 

On 2/23/2019 at 12:20 AM, Espatie said:

I too am concerned about professionalism in the cartoony space game I play for fun.

 

Wat.

 

On 2/23/2019 at 6:35 AM, 5thHorseman said:

I've not tried it because I don't hate fun and have no problem with the cat

 

15 hours ago, airtrafficcontroller said:

You cat to be kitten!

 

On 2/22/2019 at 4:46 PM, sarbian said:

Denied.

Hopefully this stretch made sense to one of you.
@Jestersage you are not alone.
And, for the record: This thread made me hate the cat.

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10 hours ago, Dark Lion said:

when they panic and erase the whole installation

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Freaking out before doing even a cursory search to identify the issue is cause to go back to computers 101, not campaign to have the feature that surprised you removed.

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10 hours ago, Dark Lion said:

People with crappy internet really hate waiting for clean downloads when they panic and erase the whole installation because it's not PERFECTLY CLEAR whether or not something is actually wrong... Just to find out the cat won't go away.

@sarbian If you won't give us an option to turn off the cat, how about a discrete warning message to go with it? Something short and sweet like "Happy Hipster Cat Day," or "April Fools!" or when things are really broken: "All ur modz R belong to us." It's not THAT big a compromise and everybody's a happy hippy, right?

P.S. I have no hope for change, honestly. [snip]

Hopefully this stretch made sense to one of you.
@Jestersage you are not alone.
And, for the record: This thread made me hate the cat.

Thank you. This thread shows why KSP NEEDS DLC: To prevent the need of modulemanagers.

Hopefully KSP2 will make sure something like this does not happen.

9 hours ago, steve_v said:

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Freaking out before doing even a cursory search to identify the issue is cause to go back to computers 101, not campaign to have the feature that surprised you removed.

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Also, the reason why memes must be limited: There are too many malwares. As some people point out, this game is causal. If so, do you want people to actually consider KSP be malware ridden because a community hijacked the game? we already have the KSP-Chinese fiasco.

A real world doesn't demand one to take computer 101. In fact, security courses, such as those used by KnowBe4, which we give to our staff actually demand people to question and if you will, panic (and contact IT). It's only IT people who is suppose to be not panick - not causals or normal people, the target audience of this game.

In fact, as my boss stated, "If they are not panicking and fearing, they are not learning".

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9 hours ago, Jestersage said:

This thread shows why KSP NEEDS DLC: To prevent the need of modulemanagers.

A: Mods leave the official DLC in the dust.
B: If you don't want to use the mods other people have helpfully made available, go write your own instead of complaining that they are not to your liking. Modders are not obliged to cater to your every desire.

 

9 hours ago, Jestersage said:

Hopefully KSP2 will make sure something like this does not happen.

If KSP2 doesn't support mods like ModuleManager, I won't be buying it.

 

9 hours ago, Jestersage said:

Also, the reason why memes must be limited: There are too many malwares.

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Memes != malware.

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Oh dear. You do realise a 10 second search will explain the cat on the loading screen, right?
Mods are optional by the way, if you don't want your game "hijacked" just don't install them. Your choice.

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This community is so awesome that members provide things like ModuleManager and all the other excellent mods to you totally free.
The modders here spend their free time making stuff for you to use, how cool is that?

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I truly don't and probably will never understand how seeing Nyan cat flying around will cause someone to panic and delete files. 

1 hour ago, Jestersage said:

This thread shows why KSP NEEDS DLC: To prevent the need of modulemanagers.

The whole reason module manager was created was so that you could change part statistics on the fly. Without it, most part mods wouldn't be compatible with mods that change the stock parts around. The developers of KSP never implemented this feature because they never had a need for it, but this team of fellow forum members did, because they saw the need and met it. 

It's also a DLC for KSP, with I guess fulfils your criteria. 

1 hour ago, Jestersage said:

do you want people to actually consider KSP be malware ridden because a community hijacked the game?

I don't think any serious hacker would put time and effort into copying MM, making it do bad stuff, and hack GitHub to put it in an official download with a Nyan cat included. They'd make it as inconspicuous as possible. 

1 hour ago, Jestersage said:

It's only IT people who is suppose to be not panick - not causals or normal people, the target audience of this game.

I am not an IT person, I'm in high school. However, I know that just because some Nyan cats show up on the loading screen, doesn't mean I have to freak and wipe my computer. I don't have to call IT to understand a joke. 

1 hour ago, Jestersage said:

"If they are not panicking and fearing, they are not learning

Uhh… I think you can learn without panicing. 

Anyways, I think that this whole think is kind of silly, and I have already offered a solution if you care so deeply about removing Nyan cat from MM. I'd be willing to offer some direction on that, but I will not do it for anyone, because it would be a learning experience. DON'T PANIC!

 

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Perhaps a compromise?  If Module Manager contained a trigger warning stating simply, "may contain memes terrifying to those who, ah, cannot, ahm, ah...  ah, who are uhm challenged by memes?"...

Would that be acceptable to everyone?  You know...  to make the world a better and more just place?

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1 minute ago, Hotel26 said:

Perhaps a compromise?  If Module Manager contained a trigger warning stating simply, "may contain memes terrifying to those who, ah, cannot, ahm, ah...  ah, who are uhm challenged by memes?"...

Would that be acceptable to everyone?  You know...  to make the world a better and more just place?

I am fine. But seems like the maintainer just plainly denied.

Well, have to start somewhere for the fork, I guess... May split the community, but hey, why not?

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An april-fools joke is not a legitimate concern. Plenty of software has easter-eggs and/or jokes.
Case in point: My phone just notified me that "A cat is here", could it be malware? Should I be cowering in fear and calling the android helpdesk?

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ModuleManager is a community mod not a commercial product, the author has no obligation whatsoever to provide support, implement change requests, or listen to any user input at all. Be thankful that he does.
Sarbian seems to like the cat, so the cat stays. It's his mod, so it's his choice what goes in it. Feel free to fork the repo and remove it yourself if you like.

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7 hours ago, Hotel26 said:

"may contain memes terrifying to those who, ah, cannot, ahm, ah...  ah, who are uhm challenged by memes?"

That wording exactly. Much yes. :P

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Ok guys, let's calm down. We all get frightened by virus once in life, i'm sorry if I offended someone.

Now that everyone knows that it's a joke, stop hating the cats (smelly cat smelly cat), it's not their fault.

3 hours ago, Benjamin Kerman said:

DON'T PANIC!

That could be a good message to put along the loading screen, calming the newcomers and beeing an easter egg itself.

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Lots of content has been removed and-or redacted, because the topic devolved into off-topic bickering, personal attacks and insults, accusations of trollery on multiple sides, snide innuendos, and in general a sorry display on the part of the community that frankly I found rather disappointing.  C'mon, folks, I know you're better than this.

Furthermore, this topic has been locked, and shall remain so.  We're sorry that this is necessary-- we always hate to lock a thread, we'd prefer the community to be able to freely and openly talk about whatever they want-- but in this case, it's unfortunately warranted.

For one thing, the topic is clearly, unambiguously, done:

  • A request was made ("remove the cats").
  • And answered ("no").

So that pretty much settles that, ne?  Anything beyond that is beside the point.

If that were the only issue, then we wouldn't have particularly needed to lock-- hey, if the community would like to continue beating a dead horse, have at it, as long as people can behave themselves like civil adults.  Unfortunately, as the subsequent thread has shown, it appears that the community couldn't be trusted to do that here, and it went totally off the rails.  We've already had to spend time cleaning up the mess, and we see no evidence that folks are ready to stay on the rails if it were opened again.  So, closed it is, and closed it stays.

We're sorry at the necessity of doing this, and hope that those involved can take a few moments to reflect upon their choices.  I'll close with a few points to consider-- ones which I would hope would be self-evidently obvious to everyone in the community, but apparently a refresher seems to be in order:

  • Modders don't owe you, or anyone, anything.  They do a lot of hard work, for free, to give us all shiny toys to play with.  For free.  Asking absolutely nothing in return.  Which means they do not owe you anything.  Kindly save the righteous indignation if you don't like something about the mod.  If you don't like it, don't use it.
  • Be nice.  When someone offers you nice things for free, and you accept the gift, then it behooves you to show a little respect.  There's nothing wrong with making a polite suggestion.  However, you're in no position to make any demands, much less rude and angry ones.  Remember that the modder owes you nothing, but you owe them thanks, if you've chosen to use their stuff.  Yelling at someone that you don't like the free cookies they've made you is not a good way to persuade them to adjust the recipe.  So, if you like getting nice things from someone who owes you nothing, I might suggest adding words like "please" and "thank you" and "would you consider" to your vocabulary.  Remember your role:  you're begging a favor from someone who has already done you a favor.  You're not a "customer" who's entitled to anything, and you don't get to demand to see the manager.
  • Kindly skip the righteous outrage.  Not everybody likes the same thing. You're perfectly entitled to feel what you feel, nothing wrong with that-- but your opinion isn't "right", any more than anyone else's is.  For example, in the current instance:  Some people like the nyan-cats, and think they're funny and cute.  Some people (I'd guess the vast majority of MM users, including myself) couldn't care less about the nyan-cats, since they're completely harmless, don't interfere with the game in any way, and only show up a couple days a year.  And some people really hate the nyan-cats.  All of these people are "right".  People feel what they feel, and all feelings are equally valid.  So please don't rant about how wrong the people are who don't feel as you do, and certainly don't resort to personal attacks and insults.
  • Remember that you speak for yourself aloneIt's fine to say "I like X because" or "I don't like X because".  But don't presume to speak for anyone other than yourself, because you don't.  I saw quite a lot of "crusading" in this thread, with claims that "we should <do thing> because it will <affect many people>."  Sorry, no.  You're not in any position to judge that.  Just speak for yourself, and you'll find that your ideas will make much better headway.
  • Don't lash back.  If you're ever in the KSP forums and you see someone saying something you don't like, feel free to respond and/or rebut-- if you can do so politely, civilly, and without resorting to put-downs.  If you can't do that, then just walk away.  (And if you see someone behaving so egregiously that you think they're actually breaking forum rules, then please just report the post and do not otherwise respond.  That will ping the moderator team and we can sort out anything that may need sorting out.  It's what we're for.)

Thank you for your understanding.

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