[1.0.5] FASA 5.44

[Guest]

Frizzank, could you model the extendable RCS retrothrusters on the Gemini retropack?

That's this bit covered with gold foil. I see that you modeled the caps, and I recall Tosh's Gemini had those pieces fully modeled (though not animated). You can either use this plugin: http://forum.kerbalspaceprogram.com/threads/82341-23-5-Bahamuto-Dynamics-CritterCrawler-AnimatedEngines-etc-v1-0-%28Jun7%29 or just leave it as a visual-only animation.

[RedAV8R]

Frizzank, could you model the extendable RCS retrothrusters on the Gemini retropack?

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d2/Gemini_6_Views_Gemini_7.jpg/1024px-Gemini_6_Views_Gemini_7.jpg

That's this bit covered with gold foil. I see that you modeled the caps, and I recall Tosh's Gemini had those pieces fully modeled (though not animated). You can either use this plugin: http://forum.kerbalspaceprogram.com/threads/82341-23-5-Bahamuto-Dynamics-CritterCrawler-AnimatedEngines-etc-v1-0-%28Jun7%29 or just leave it as a visual-only animation.

What??? No. Gemini did not have RCS thrusters that moved into position. They were fixed. Had 8 roll thrusters around the Bottom of equipment section. 2 rear facing thrusters you can clearly see in your picture out the back of the equipment section. 4 translation thrusters around the retro section. And 2 retro thrusters right next to two of the translation thrusters.

[Guest]

Hmm, maybe. Do you have any pics/descriptions that show the Gemini RCS system? I had trouble finding one, and I was kind of basing myself on how Tosh's Gemini worked.

[RedAV8R]

How about the 1074 page Project Gemini Familiarization Manual???

Look at this picture. Front and center you see the Translate Left Thruster and the Right Translate Aft Thruster immediately below it.

Give me some time and I'll let you know what that protrusion is above it. Gotta do some reading.

[Virtualgenius]

Awesome pic

[Guest]

Thanks, couldn't find that in high enough resolution.

[RedAV8R]

Thanks, couldn't find that in high enough resolution.

Couldn't find what in high enough resolution?

[AppleDavidJeans]

Where are the craft files?

[frizzank]

Where are the craft files?

I forgot sorry. Just the craft files with the save game

http://www./download/sef2z5bb9cyivnf/FASA_SandboxCraftfiles.zip

also updating kerbal stuff as usual.

[tmikesecrist3]

Are those the craft files for stock ksp?

[frizzank]

Yes I forgot to put Stock craft files in my mod for FASA.....

Sarcasm.

[Pappystein]

How about the 1074 page Project Gemini Familiarization Manual???

Look at this picture. Front and center you see the Translate Left Thruster and the Right Translate Aft Thruster immediately below it.

Give me some time and I'll let you know what that protrusion is above it. Gotta do some reading.

Guys, I am not as much of an expert on out of atmo stuff than I am in atmo but that protrusion appears to be similar to a same generation gimbaled (commonly called ROBOT) camera I have seen on several test aircraft. I have seen a similar lash up (structurally and shape wise) in a pod attached to various USAF test planes in the same time period (with the pod removed of course.)

But if I am wrong it wouldn't even be the first time today.

[JJJacksonTyler]

I've come up with my own solution for this in the meantime - putting the mini Explorer decoupler upside-down (so it falls away with the cap) and using it that way. Although the cap does jut up like an inch or two, it doesn't ruin the whole look.

It's not activating - as in it's...NOT a decoupler. It's just a...prop or something. There is no decoupler staging icon, there is no way to action group it - there is nothing it can do on it's own.

[physicsnerd]

Could someone post a screenshot of the VAB assembly for the CSM-LEM payload? Because I cannot for the life of me figure out how to attach the LEM to the CSM bottom and then to the Saturn V (RSS has broken the craft files); the nodes for the CSM engine are way up in the engine and I an figure out how to attach the LEM to that. I've tried to use the deployment device, but it doesn't leave enough space. It may be an RSS issue, but if so I'd like to see an example of the diagram to determine the issue.

EDIT: I may have figured it out. Is the base part supposed to go below the CSM, and the deployment device attached to the nodes from that and used to attach the LEM? Attaching it that way seems to fill the space logically.

Edited July 7, 2014 by physicsnerd

[frizzank]

Place your command module , service module, and then engine. Then the 3m fairing with the floating top node attaches to the top of the engine. In that hole on the fairing place your decoupler, I use the stock small decoupler it seams to work better. Then LEM Decent engine and build it up from there.

[jrandom]

The J2 engine has no connection node on the bottom. How is this normally staged? (I'm using RSS/RO and have removed most other fuel tanks and decouplers from the parts mods I have installed.)

[RedAV8R]

The J2 engine has no connection node on the bottom. How is this normally staged? (I'm using RSS/RO and have removed most other fuel tanks and decouplers from the parts mods I have installed.)

If you have problems while running RSS/RO ASK THOSE PEOPLE in their thread...Frizzank has nothing to do with that, he has essentially provided models, that's it, their complete behavior and stats have otherwise been modified by us.

[jrandom]

If you have problems while running RSS/RO ASK THOSE PEOPLE in their thread...Frizzank has nothing to do with that, he has essentially provided models, that's it, their complete behavior and stats have otherwise been modified by us.

Wait... so does the J2 engine normally have an attachment node on the bottom, then? It never occurred to me that RSS/RO might have altered that.

[RedAV8R]

Wait... so does the J2 engine normally have an attachment node on the bottom, then? It never occurred to me that RSS/RO might have altered that.

I don't remember, the point is, if you are using a mod which modifies another mod...standard toubleshooting dictates to follow the path from end result BACK to the beginning...So RSS/RO then FASA then KSP. If a person has a stock vehicle, which has then been heavily modified...do you go back to the OEM to find out why a certain part that has been modified isn't working the way you think it should be? No. Start with the people who modified it, no matter what or how much.

[wasmic]

The J2 engine has no connection node on the bottom. How is this normally staged? (I'm using RSS/RO and have removed most other fuel tanks and decouplers from the parts mods I have installed.)

You have to use the J2 interstage from FASA, so if you have removed most of the parts you have to re-add some of those.

[frizzank]

Open up the modified J2.cfg and see if it has a bottom node in it. The unmodified J2 does indeed have a bottom node....

node_stack_top = 0.0, 0.15, 0.0, 0.0, 1.0, 0.0, 2
node_stack_bottom = 0.0, -1.514, 0.0, 0.0, 1.0, 0.0, 2

Yes I have little to do with RSS, other than models, so start there first....

[jrandom]

Ah, so RSS/RO is monkeying with it (probably)! I'll take a look when I get home from work. Thank you!

[Virtualgenius]

You could say the same for FAR as well as it tampers with the stock drag model and aerodynamics so all FAR requests should go to the FAR thread

[RoboRay]

Can you point out some of these "FAR requests" you're talking about where, presumably, FASA parts seem to be broken with FAR installed?

[frizzank]

FAR is a bit different in that the other mods. The models themselves dictate the drag model for FAR as it is calculated based on the shape of the objects. So that's all on me.

In the latest update I put in basic FAR overrides for some of the wackier shaped parts and I did not have any issues when I tested it. I however, can not test every possible situation, so please post specific bugs (which part and how it broke) with the current version of FASA and FAR if you think it is a FASA specific bug and I will fix them as best I can.