LLL - Lack Luster Labs - Development Thread

[Damaske]

Lack,

Still working on adding in the stuffs to make you mod work with InfiniteDice's mod slow working due to real life getting in the way. I've been getting more added into it but its slow going with the mods i have loading up. Might just make another install with just the two to help speed things up.

Also I'm not a big fan of FAR sounds too complicated for me to try it. But i have the fear that once i try it it will hook me.

[MrWizerd]

Jagger, I will work on it today, I will mark everything lower than 1t as KAS movable. Actually... I already have the pipes done. Give me an hour and I will edit this post with the link.

Ok, I have some files to test, and tweak....

SXT_KAS.cfg

SXT_KSPI.cfg

LLL_KSPI.cfg

The KAS file is ALL items under 1t. I DON'T think all the parts should be movable but I am not sure, so I would like to hear what all have to say about this. For instance the fuel balloons are under 1t empty, ... but I don't think that means they should be grabable because there huge. Maybe if they could collapse somehow that would make it work but in there current form I don't think so, but I am open to discussion here. Also the three grills, two from LLL and one from SXT on the radial tank, are set up as KSPI radiators. I am not sure about the balance of there size verses there dissipation. I do think that they are stacked radiators thicker than the thin deploy-able ones. This however, is my opinion and I would like to hear input on this as well. Furthermore, remember that all values are subject to Lack's approval and therefore can change based on his word. Also the KAS storable sizes can be tweaked, BUT I am not sure exactly how these values are determined so I just put what I thought was fair, ALL of these are up for discussion as well. I think that we can put together these cfg files in a nice civil manner and make them both usable and balanced with a little discussion so please, lets hear your input.

Edited May 22, 2014 by MrWizerd

[zilfondel]

I tried out this mod, but it seems that most of the crew cabins and the lander can have no textures - they are black with a reflection. This is with SXT-alpha-15.zip

The older 2013-12-22-LLL-Lite-v1.zip works great, however.

Also, it is strange that those two files are essentially totally separate mods.

[somnambulist]

I tried out this mod, but it seems that most of the crew cabins and the lander can have no textures - they are black with a reflection. This is with SXT-alpha-15.zip

The older 2013-12-22-LLL-Lite-v1.zip works great, however.

Also, it is strange that those two files are essentially totally separate mods.

That's because they are entirely different mods. STX makes heavy use of existing stock assets. Do you have any texture reduction packs or re-textures installed?

[Geschosskopf]

I found an SXT issue. It's with one of the cluster engines. I can't remember the name (I'm at work) but it's a 3.75m, the last one of the 4 as you look at them in the VAB. It's got 4 big nozzles instead of a scad of small orange engines, and is described as a "3rd stage engine".

Anyway, this engine doesn't play well with decouplers. I have 3 or 4 3.75m decouplers, stock and mod, and it has the same problem with all of them. What happens is, the decoupler fires and the lower stage moves away as normal, but it only goes a short distance then snaps back at very high speed and slams into the engine, usually destroying it.

It really looks like the decoupler is attached to the engine twice. The decoupler only breaks 1 connection and the 2nd one stretches, then snaps back. If I knew what to look for to confirm this, and how to fix it, I would.

[MrWizerd]

I found an SXT issue. It's with one of the cluster engines. I can't remember the name (I'm at work) but it's a 3.75m, the last one of the 4 as you look at them in the VAB. It's got 4 big nozzles instead of a scad of small orange engines, and is described as a "3rd stage engine".

Anyway, this engine doesn't play well with decouplers. I have 3 or 4 3.75m decouplers, stock and mod, and it has the same problem with all of them. What happens is, the decoupler fires and the lower stage moves away as normal, but it only goes a short distance then snaps back at very high speed and slams into the engine, usually destroying it.

It really looks like the decoupler is attached to the engine twice. The decoupler only breaks 1 connection and the 2nd one stretches, then snaps back. If I knew what to look for to confirm this, and how to fix it, I would.

Do you think you can screen capture the even, I will attempt to reproduce this issue now, on my setup.

I built a rocket with that motor and when it connects, it does it strange, and then it ejected it really fact on decouple and it blew up but did not whiplash so to speak. Could you share the craft file?

Edited May 23, 2014 by MrWizerd

[Geschosskopf]

Do you think you can screen capture the even, I will attempt to reproduce this issue now, on my setup.

I built a rocket with that motor and when it connects, it does it strange, and then it ejected it really fact on decouple and it blew up but did not whiplash so to speak. Could you share the craft file?

Weirdness Alert: The problem with MK-21-4 engine and decouplers depends on which planet you're at. A ship that has no problem decoupling at Kerbin explodes at Mun. What's up with that?

In the game where I noticed this problem, I was building a colony on Mun using the MKS mod so the ships involved all had those parts plus scads of other mods. I was using the NK-21-4 as the lander engine and the ships were blowing up when I separated the transfer stage. I didn't figure you all those mods so what I did first was make a new test ship with just stock and SXT parts, then used HyperEdit to get it up into LKO. And it worked just fine, no matter which 3.75m decoupler I used (stock or various mods).

So then I went through a long process of making a clean install except for SXT, then adding all the many other mods I was using to see if any of them were causing the problem. And it still kept working fine. I was about to shrug the whole thing off to just having been drunk when I had the problem, until it occurred to me to test it at Mun where I'd been having the problem in the other game. And sure enough, KABOOM!

The effect is a little bit variable. Most of the time, the decoupler snaps back so fast that you can't see it move back at all first. And the impact is so violent that the decoupler and NK-21-4 explode, so it looks like the explosion was all that happened. But you can tell it makes the whole booster snap back because the recoil sometimes breaks off sepratrons from the booster. And very occasionally, you can see the booster move a short distance away at normal speed before snapping back.

Also, the violence of the RUD depends a little on whether the stock S3-3600 tank above the NK-21-4 engine is rightside up or upside down. I tend to flip it upside down in the VAB a lot so its stripes line up properly with the big 3.75m stock tank. With this tank upside down, the RUD is a bit more violent but not enough to make a difference; it's about as bad either way.

Anyway, here's the test ship I was using for this. First put it in Kerbin orbit and it will work just fine. Then put it in Mun orbit and it blows up. Strange.

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[MrWizerd]

Ok, I will play with it, see if it does the same for me. If we can confirm this then I am sure when lack has a moment he will look into it. In the mean time I will do what I can to resolve it but I am not promising anything, I am not the model making master that is Lack. I just pretend to think I am good at this sort of thing haha!

On another note, has anyone had time to look at the cfg's for kspi and kas? I would like the input on them if anyone has had a chance to use them.

Edited May 24, 2014 by MrWizerd

[mughi]

I'd like to chip in here and make some requests, Lack, since you're working on new stuff. Well, requests and/or ideas, anyway.

1. Regarding cargo bays: How about versions of all of the bays you already have, except the doors open in a more low-profile fashion, i.e. popping open slightly, and then the doors slide down INSIDE the bay, along the side walls. This would allow more freedom to attach parts to the outside surfaces, at the expense of a slight reduction in interior space. :

1a. Also, perhaps a selection of bays designed to open on the side (yes, I know, they can be rotated). I mean that instead of 2 doors that open wide, make it one single door that opens out to become a ramp (the inside face of the door being designed to be flat and smooth so as to function as a ramp), with the floor of the bay being on the 'side' where the hinge is. This would allow a ship to land, and then the bay door opens out to touch the ground so that a rover can drive directly in and out. I see this as being most useful in 2x2, 4x2, and 4x4 sized bays, with the door on the 4x2 being on the short '2' side. Ooh, for that matter, maybe some bays with a door/ramp on one END! Or, even better, just make a hinged door with extending ramp that can attach to the end of a current cargo bay or even the 'engine fairing' parts. Although, it would be better to have a dedicated part with a flat floor, IMO. Basically just a hull section without ends, a tube. Once again, I'm seeing this as being most useful in 2x2 and 4x2 sizes.

<snip>

Later, Lack.

Lack,

Just wanted to agree with the others saying great mod. I base pretty much everything I make off it. And I would like to second Neutrinovore's request for alternative LLL cargo bay options (particularly the ramps and side openings). Obviously, when you have time/start looking at LLL again.

Thanks

[DevL]

I love the large wings, thanks Lack!

[Neutrinovore]

Lack,

Just wanted to agree with the others saying great mod. I base pretty much everything I make off it. And I would like to second Neutrinovore's request for alternative LLL cargo bay options (particularly the ramps and side openings). Obviously, when you have time/start looking at LLL again.

Thanks

See, Lack, I'm not the only one!!

[wasmic]

Weirdness Alert: The problem with MK-21-4 engine and decouplers depends on which planet you're at. A ship that has no problem decoupling at Kerbin explodes at Mun. What's up with that?

In the game where I noticed this problem, I was building a colony on Mun using the MKS mod so the ships involved all had those parts plus scads of other mods. I was using the NK-21-4 as the lander engine and the ships were blowing up when I separated the transfer stage. I didn't figure you all those mods so what I did first was make a new test ship with just stock and SXT parts, then used HyperEdit to get it up into LKO. And it worked just fine, no matter which 3.75m decoupler I used (stock or various mods).

So then I went through a long process of making a clean install except for SXT, then adding all the many other mods I was using to see if any of them were causing the problem. And it still kept working fine. I was about to shrug the whole thing off to just having been drunk when I had the problem, until it occurred to me to test it at Mun where I'd been having the problem in the other game. And sure enough, KABOOM!

The effect is a little bit variable. Most of the time, the decoupler snaps back so fast that you can't see it move back at all first. And the impact is so violent that the decoupler and NK-21-4 explode, so it looks like the explosion was all that happened. But you can tell it makes the whole booster snap back because the recoil sometimes breaks off sepratrons from the booster. And very occasionally, you can see the booster move a short distance away at normal speed before snapping back.

Also, the violence of the RUD depends a little on whether the stock S3-3600 tank above the NK-21-4 engine is rightside up or upside down. I tend to flip it upside down in the VAB a lot so its stripes line up properly with the big 3.75m stock tank. With this tank upside down, the RUD is a bit more violent but not enough to make a difference; it's about as bad either way.

Anyway, here's the test ship I was using for this. First put it in Kerbin orbit and it will work just fine. Then put it in Mun orbit and it blows up. Strange.

I suspect the Krakensbane. There is some difference in how the universe works depending on your ships velocity - if your ship moves faster than 700 m/s (or somewhere around that point) it works differently than if your ship was slower than that. Can you try decoupling in a really high Kerbin orbit, or possibly on other bodies at various velocities? Like at Mun with more than 1 km/s?

[AntiMatter001]

See, Lack, I'm not the only one!!

i'd second more cargo bays... i mean it would be the only thing left to fully get rid of B9

[Geschosskopf]

I suspect the Krakensbane. There is some difference in how the universe works depending on your ships velocity - if your ship moves faster than 700 m/s (or somewhere around that point) it works differently than if your ship was slower than that. Can you try decoupling in a really high Kerbin orbit, or possibly on other bodies at various velocities? Like at Mun with more than 1 km/s?

Well, speed-related is definitely 1 way to characterize it. If that's what "Krakensbane" is, then I'm thinking that's tragically misnamed .

I tested the above ship starting in 100km orbit at Kerbin, stepping out 100km at a time to 500km, then to 1Mm, then adding 1Mm each time. All the way up to 4Mm, where orbital velocity was still about 870m/s, there were no problems at all. However, at 5Mm (same distance as Minmus), orbital velocity was about 250m/s and the ship blew up on decoupling. And the orbital velocities when it was blowing up at Mun were about 550m/s so yup, somewhere between 550-850m/s is where the change from OK to totally hosed happens.

This is quite interesting. I learn more about this game every day. But unfortunately it doesn't sound like something I can fix with a simple text edit of the engine's attach nodes. Bummer. Guess I'll just have to wait for the next version.

[wasmic]

Well, speed-related is definitely 1 way to characterize it. If that's what "Krakensbane" is, then I'm thinking that's tragically misnamed .

I tested the above ship starting in 100km orbit at Kerbin, stepping out 100km at a time to 500km, then to 1Mm, then adding 1Mm each time. All the way up to 4Mm, where orbital velocity was still about 870m/s, there were no problems at all. However, at 5Mm (same distance as Minmus), orbital velocity was about 250m/s and the ship blew up on decoupling. And the orbital velocities when it was blowing up at Mun were about 550m/s so yup, somewhere between 550-850m/s is where the change from OK to totally hosed happens.

This is quite interesting. I learn more about this game every day. But unfortunately it doesn't sound like something I can fix with a simple text edit of the engine's attach nodes. Bummer. Guess I'll just have to wait for the next version.

That's definitely the Krakensbane. It's a piece of code that was implemented to destroy the original Kraken, at which it succeeded spectacularly. However, it's also the reason that K-drives arer possible, and it does cause some other bugs too.

EDIT: I have no idea how it can be fixed, though. Maybe you should just decouple the 3rd stage just after TMI, while you're still moving at high velocities? That's how the real Apollo missions did it. That'd "solve" the problem until Lack can make a proper fix.

[Lack]

Right, and I'm back (long week at work, so took a bit of a break, luckily it's a bank holiday, been having a nice long weekend as well).

Couldn't quite replicate the problem myself, but I'm guessing that it might be due to the collision mesh; there's nothing fancy about it, and it's as simple as it comes, but it does sound like it's catching on the decoupler's collision mesh, same sort of thing happens with heat-shields when I use them.

I've had a go playing around with it, I'll put up a link later, I think it's working a bit better now. There's a few new parts as well, so I'll get them working-ish first (since I can't be bothered to separate it all out).

I'll have a read through the other posts as well.

Edit:

Well, it's still behaving slightly oddly, but I'm starting to think it is due to Krakensbane and the fuel tank, since I swapped out the SXT engine for the stock 3.75m and it's still doing it.

Yep, not SXT specific, does the same even with just stock parts, it's the low orbital speeds that are doing it.

Edit 2:

Ah well, here's a pre-release of SXT-16 anyway.

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/39086055/SXT-alpha-16Pre-Release.zip

Couple of new crew-cabins, a new probe core, and possibly something else, I forget (I left the module manager config to unlock the 2.5m Corpernicus parts in there as well, so delete at your preference).

Not sure of the balance for the crew-cabins, so feedback appreciated before I do a proper release.

Edited May 26, 2014 by Lack

[Damaske]

I am all for the side cargo bays, and maybe while your making some side bays, perhaps a bomb bay? Also would you be able to make a larger delta wing like your SXT wing? I like how large it is, but the shape of it just tweaks me the wrong way. Not sure why but it does, I'll fiddle around with the lift coefficient if you want me too if you do make it. Fuel within the wing like the other is fine. Also Maybe a large straight wing piece and matching rear wing piece would be good too. I know I am asking a lot, but I am sure you will get to them sooner or later.

[Lack]

@Aedile,

Thanks, pre-release of SXT-16 should have fixed those errors.

@SSSPutnik,

Thanks, very nice!

@janill49 & zilfondel,

Yeah, any mod that changes either Squad's textures, or has their names differ from the 0.23.5 names (as in older versions of KSP), will mess with SXT.

You can fix it, but it'll take about 20 minutes, (Probably more like 10 if you've got something like Notepad++ and can do mass search and replaces)

Bit more about that here:

http://forum.kerbalspaceprogram.com/threads/24906-WIP-LLL-Lack-Luster-Labs-LLL-12-2-10MAY2014-SXT-15-1-09MAY2014/page181

@zilfondel only,

They are separate mods. I'm not sure I could make that much clearer without having seperate threads; last I checked with a mod they very much prefered if you kept all your projects in one thread.

@mughi, Neutrinovore, AntiMatter001 & Damaske

They're in the works (By which I mean I thought about it while in the tub and haven't actually done much more. But I do mean to).

@Damaske,

Probably because the texture/shape of the wing isn't quite right, the angle is just a bit off halfway along, I think I gave up fiddling with it and just called it done.

Some new wings aren't a bad idea though. Working on some more aero-space parts as it is.

Radial An-225 parts (3 parts shown below), can double up as 747-like parts depending on how you place them along the hull. Will probably add a An-225 style wing-mount and a crew cabin part as well.

[Galacticruler]

That beautiful Lack. Please tell me it will have an IVA!

Also, I was thinking that LLL and SXT could both benefit from the Tweakscale plugin.

[Mekan1k]

@Aedile,

Thanks, pre-release of SXT-16 should have fixed those errors.

Radial An-225 parts (3 parts shown below), can double up as 747-like parts depending on how you place them along the hull. Will probably add a An-225 style wing-mount and a crew cabin part as well.

http://i.imgur.com/JJCSdsg.png

I want to play with the pre-release!

Also, That looks AMAZING. WANT.

[Damaske]

That beautiful Lack. Please tell me it will have an IVA!

Also, I was thinking that LLL and SXT could both benefit from the Tweakscale plugin.

There is a personal tweakscale cfg in the tweakscale thread, I've been thinking of toying around with it myself, but I've not just yet.

@Lack,

Great to hear, and that looks awesome for the 747 parts as with hearing about the more wings bit. Look forward to more parts.

[Lack]

I want to play with the pre-release!

Also, That looks AMAZING. WANT.

link's in my post at the top of the page.

I've got the beginnings of a tweak-scale config for LLL

http://pastebin.com/XjMp6XMA

http://pastebin.com/hPJ7ZU9G

Covers a lot of the parts, but not everything. Couldn't get the scaletype to work properly, must be using incorrect syntax.

Edited May 26, 2014 by Lack

[Orionkermin]

Hey Lack, I've been checking out SXT and I'm really impressed. The parts are amazing and I can't believe how well you managed to utilize squad's textures for everything. I used your N1 style parts (and a few other mods:wink:) to fly a stock alike Russian Mun mission. If you'd like to see it here's a link: Link to mission report

Anyways thanks again, keep up the great work!

[Geschosskopf]

Well, it's still behaving slightly oddly, but I'm starting to think it is due to Krakensbane and the fuel tank, since I swapped out the SXT engine for the stock 3.75m and it's still doing it.

Yep, not SXT specific, does the same even with just stock parts, it's the low orbital speeds that are doing it.

Hmmm. Guess I should go file a bug report then. Thanks for taking a look and sorry to bother you.

Edit 2:

Ah well, here's a pre-release of SXT-16 anyway.

Very nice, thanks!

[Neutrinovore]

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@mughi, Neutrinovore, AntiMatter001 & Damaske

They're in the works (By which I mean I thought about it while in the tub and haven't actually done much more. But I do mean to).

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LMAO, okay Lack, that's cool, as long as you're considering them. Sorry to have been a pest about the additional cargo bays, I'm just really having a hard time designing a Rover Carrier to my satisfaction with the current parts available, in ALL mods, I mean.

TTYL friends!

Edited May 27, 2014 by Neutrinovore