e-dog Posted May 14, 2014 Author Share Posted May 14, 2014 No. what he means is a model with hollow collider in the mid of the interstage adapter so that the engine thrust will not be "absorbed" by it. i.e. if you decouple the lower stage with a decoupler and still have an interstage adapter attached to the bottom of the upper stage engine (in other words, two-plane separation), it won't stop the upper stage from accelerating to get away from the lower stage.That's a very specific design (attaching to the bottom of the engine that is probably thrust-vectored etc.) which is better off in a separate mod. My adapter isn't hollow in the middle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CactusLynx Posted May 14, 2014 Share Posted May 14, 2014 Pretty soon we'll have procedural engines right? RIGHT? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Umlüx Posted May 14, 2014 Share Posted May 14, 2014 procedural structural parts would be even better.girders, struts, panels, beams....we have several procedural tanks, srb's, fairings, wings... but still no structurals?oooh the things i'd build... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phoenix_ca Posted May 14, 2014 Share Posted May 14, 2014 (edited) Try to remember that there is a limit to how much can be done. Fairings (not to diminish the work done here, because this mod is awesome) are actually very easy, because they don't vary much in terms of texture or general shape. The shape is much more easily defined by math and logic than an engine would be. It makes sense to define them not in hard-coded terms but in mathematical ones. To define an engine like that, you'd likely find that to get an engine that actually looked the part nicely would take-up just as many resources. Though engine bells might be an easier target, who knows. It's kinda like art though. Vector graphics (which are defined mathematically) are great, until what you actually want is a high-detail photograph. Then raster data wins out. And I'm rambling.Now, engines that maintain their unique models but are tweakable in size (and adjust their thrust and fuel consumption accordingly), that's quite doable. Biotronic has been extending Gaius' TweakScale to do that and more these past few weeks. https://github.com/Biotronic/GoodspeedTweakScale Edited May 14, 2014 by phoenix_ca Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Llorx Posted May 14, 2014 Share Posted May 14, 2014 Is there any way of knowing parts names that where deleted and added? For modifying the tree file I have installed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leops1984 Posted May 14, 2014 Share Posted May 14, 2014 Somebody asked this a while ago. Would it be possible to get the mission flag as a tweakable on the fairings? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
e-dog Posted May 14, 2014 Author Share Posted May 14, 2014 Is there any way of knowing parts names that where deleted and added? For modifying the tree file I have installed.All old part configs are in ProceduralFairings/deprecated folder.Pretty soon we'll have procedural engines right? RIGHT?Not from me. I don't like the idea of procedural engines. They are complicated pieces of machinery, developed for a long time with a lot of testing and then used for decades. If you look at SpaceX, for example, they don't have a lot of different engines. The same is true for Russian rockets and others.Somebody asked this a while ago. Would it be possible to get the mission flag as a tweakable on the fairings?I wanted to do it at first, but than I had a better idea. What about separate mod that allows to attach flag decal anywhere? I think it might be possible, need to investigate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Llorx Posted May 14, 2014 Share Posted May 14, 2014 All old part configs are in ProceduralFairings/deprecated folder.Thank you! :-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sokar408 Posted May 14, 2014 Share Posted May 14, 2014 (edited) Does anyone else have problems with fairing separation? Whenever I separate it seems like the fairings are swinging hard to the side rather then outwards. It hasn't destroyed anything yet, but its a drag having to "shake" off the fairings after separationEDIT: Alright it seems to be happening when the I strut the inside of the fairing sides (for example strut the payload to the fairing side). This wasn't an issue before, so I'm guess its bug. It happens every time I add any struts to the inside of the fairings, so its very reproducible. Edited May 14, 2014 by Sokar408 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
e-dog Posted May 14, 2014 Author Share Posted May 14, 2014 EDIT: Alright it seems to be happening when the I strut the inside of the fairing sides (for example strut the payload to the fairing side). This wasn't an issue before, so I'm guess its bug. It happens every time I add any struts to the inside of the fairings, so its very reproducible.Strutting fairings has caused plenty of problems in the past, so you might just be lucky before. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sokar408 Posted May 14, 2014 Share Posted May 14, 2014 Strutting fairings has caused plenty of problems in the past, so you might just be lucky before.Yea I just noticed something interesting. It seems to be depend on either 1. What part the strut is attached to besides the fairing (generator in KSPI mod seem to cause it all the time), or 2. Where on the fairing side its attached. Which I'm not aware of yet, but its good to know that there are workarounds Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taki117 Posted May 14, 2014 Share Posted May 14, 2014 How easy/hard would it be to make a KW version of this? (i.e fairing bases that look like the KW ones) Is it just a matter of copying over the model and texture, or is it a bit more involved? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duxwing Posted May 14, 2014 Share Posted May 14, 2014 Hooray! I will download the update today! -Duxwing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rkman Posted May 14, 2014 Share Posted May 14, 2014 This update interferes with the Procedural Parts mod making it unusable (can't resize). The culprit seems to be KSPAPIExtensions.dll, PF uses a newer version than PP. Replacing the older version with the newer version that comes with PF does not resolve the issue. Apparently the new version of KSPAPIExtensions.dll is not backwards compatible. The other way around restores functionality of PP but causes problems with PF.Btw is KSPAPIExtensions not the sort of dll of which we'd want/need only one in our KSP installation, and which would perhaps better reside in \gamedata\ instead of in part/mod subdirs? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R0cketC0der Posted May 14, 2014 Share Posted May 14, 2014 This update interferes with the Procedural Parts mod making it unusable (can't resize). The culprit seems to be KSPAPIExtensions.dll, PF uses a newer version than PP. Replacing the older version with the newer version that comes with PF does not resolve the issue. Apparently the new version of KSPAPIExtensions.dll is not backwards compatible. The other way around restores functionality of PP but causes problems with PF.Btw is KSPAPIExtensions not the sort of dll of which we'd want/need only one in our KSP installation, and which would perhaps better reside in \gamedata\ instead of in part/mod subdirs?I have the newest version of both PP and PF installed and I don't have this problem. Perhaps your version of PP is outdated? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taki117 Posted May 14, 2014 Share Posted May 14, 2014 I have the newest version of both PP and PF installed and I don't have this problem. Perhaps your version of PP is outdated?I concur, I too have both mods installed (And lots of others) without issue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leops1984 Posted May 14, 2014 Share Posted May 14, 2014 How easy/hard would it be to make a KW version of this? (i.e fairing bases that look like the KW ones) Is it just a matter of copying over the model and texture, or is it a bit more involved?With the previous version blackheart612 created just that; I have not tested it with PF 3.0 yet.http://forum.kerbalspaceprogram.com/threads/68892-0-23-StretchySRB-Texture-Pack-KW-Procedural-Fairings-March18 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
e-dog Posted May 14, 2014 Author Share Posted May 14, 2014 There was a bug in KSPAPIExtensions, I'll update it soon.Custom fairing bases are possible, you need to replace models and adjust scale and node positions. Maybe model offset too. All doable via cfg. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainKipard Posted May 14, 2014 Share Posted May 14, 2014 I concur, I too have both mods installed (And lots of others) without issue.And I don't have Procedural Parts and I still can't resize. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
e-dog Posted May 14, 2014 Author Share Posted May 14, 2014 And I don't have Procedural Parts and I still can't resize.Can't resize how? No tweakables when you right-click the part? Or what?Did you remove the old version? Are you using KSP 0.23.5? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainKipard Posted May 14, 2014 Share Posted May 14, 2014 Can't resize how? No tweakables when you right-click the part? Or what?Did you remove the old version? Are you using KSP 0.23.5?There is a tweakable, but clicking the arrows does nothing. I'm all up to date. I deleted the old folder before updating. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
e-dog Posted May 14, 2014 Author Share Posted May 14, 2014 There is a tweakable, but clicking the arrows does nothing. I'm all up to date. I deleted the old folder before updating.Any chance it's career mode and you just unlocked it in Flight Control, but no Aerodynamics yet? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rkman Posted May 14, 2014 Share Posted May 14, 2014 I have the newest version of both PP and PF installed and I don't have this problem. Perhaps your version of PP is outdated?Yup, i had forgotten i had not updated to the latest PP with procedural heatshields. It works now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainKipard Posted May 14, 2014 Share Posted May 14, 2014 Any chance it's career mode and you just unlocked it in Flight Control, but no Aerodynamics yet?Oh is that how it works? That's pretty cool.Could you post that info in the first post? Which tech nodes do I need to max out the sizes? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leops1984 Posted May 14, 2014 Share Posted May 14, 2014 I wanted to do it at first, but than I had a better idea. What about separate mod that allows to attach flag decal anywhere? I think it might be possible, need to investigate.I think that would be absolutely fantastic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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