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[1.0.5] TAC Life Support v0.11.2.1 [12Dec]

TaranisElsu

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Gazper

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Great Mod!

This made KSP more interesting for me, I had a station orbiting Kerbin for a Kerbin year and I had to deliver food to them and retrieve the waste product (just recycled CO2 and Waste H2O). Some say Realism is not funny but this made KSP more interesting, believeme!

The Greenhouse will be a good Idea it can use Power, H2O, CO2 and Waste(organics) to produce Food (because food production is more resource demanding), The drawback could be a module that is a little big or it uses too much H2O or something that make you think twice before adding to your station or small Hidrophonic modules that does not produce much food and still needs tons of H2O and Power to run (not much CO2 and Waste).

Also, the only thing that bugged me is the techtree which I feel is not correct. you could split some to Space exploration and advance space exploration, but, is your mod so... anyway thanks for this beauty!.

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damerell

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This made KSP more interesting for me, I had a station orbiting Kerbin for a Kerbin year and I had to deliver food to them and retrieve the waste product (just recycled CO2 and Waste H2O). Some say Realism is not funny but this made KSP more interesting, believeme!

It may not be the time to find it out, but you don't need to retrieve waste. If it overflows it's just harmlessly discharged into space.

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It may not be the time to find it out, but you don't need to retrieve waste. If it overflows it's just harmlessly discharged into space.

I know the waste is thrown out of a hatch, but what can I say, we don't like to leave waste floating arround our planet, do we?

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almagnus1

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Have you given any thought into collecting the life support hex cans and discs into a single hex can or disc of a size class, then using the texture change functionality to switch between the various components?

I'm thinking of functionality like RoverDude did with the freight containers in FTT, and this would help clear up a lot of the clutter that TAC-LS makes of the parts menus by reducing the hex cans and discs down to just one for life support and another for waste for each size class, rather than the 20-30 different components that are currently present, as TAC-LS tends to spam the early game Utilities parts screen with a lot of stuff.

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damerell

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Have you given any thought into collecting the life support hex cans and discs into a single hex can or disc of a size class, then using the texture change functionality to switch between the various components?

If you install Modular Fuel Tanks along TACLS it used to (maybe still does) add MFT hexcans and discs and hide all the normal ones.

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Qigon

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Is it possible to dump excess water/oxygen when all containers are full? I'm using MKS to produce food /water/oxygen with a single converter, and once any of these run out of space it stops producing the other 2.

As far as I understand this is the guideline for what is supposed to happen whenever a converter produces more than 1 resource on that MOD.

It's really a bummer since I'm full of water really quick when mining, while food drops to negative in a glimpse.

Is it possible to get the same behavior here as waste/waste water/CO2? I'd love to hear that I can do that by changing some config file? Or is that done in .cs?

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Is it possible to dump excess water/oxygen when all containers are full? I'm using MKS to produce food /water/oxygen with a single converter, and once any of these run out of space it stops producing the other 2.

As far as I understand this is the guideline for what is supposed to happen whenever a converter produces more than 1 resource on that MOD.

It's really a bummer since I'm full of water really quick when mining, while food drops to negative in a glimpse.

Is it possible to get the same behavior here as waste/waste water/CO2? I'd love to hear that I can do that by changing some config file? Or is that done in .cs?

If you using the stock ModuleResourceConverter you might see example 

	MODULE
	{
		 name = ModuleResourceConverter
		 ConverterName = Lf+Ox
		 StartActionName = Start ISRU [Lf+Ox]
		 StopActionName = Stop ISRU [Lf+Ox]	 
		AutoShutdown = false
		GeneratesHeat = false
		UseSpecialistBonus = true
		SpecialistEfficiencyFactor = 0.2
		SpecialistBonusBase = 0.05
		Specialty = Engineer
		EfficiencyBonus = 1


		 INPUT_RESOURCE
		 {
			ResourceName = Ore
			Ratio = 0.5
			FlowMode = STAGE_PRIORITY_FLOW
  		 }
		 INPUT_RESOURCE
		 {
			ResourceName = ElectricCharge
			Ratio = 30
		 }
		 OUTPUT_RESOURCE
		 {
			ResourceName = LiquidFuel
			Ratio = 0.45
			[COLOR="#FF0000"]DumpExcess = false[/COLOR]                       <-------------------  could add a line like this but make it ( true )
			FlowMode = STAGE_PRIORITY_FLOW
		 }
		 OUTPUT_RESOURCE
		 {
			ResourceName = Oxidizer
			Ratio = 0.55
			DumpExcess = false
			FlowMode = STAGE_PRIORITY_FLOW
		 }
	}

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Hello there,

I'm trying to build an orbital station, in sandbox at the moment for testing prupose, and it seems tant Water Purifier (large) et Carbon Extractor (large too) are not working ?!

I pop-up my station in orbit with HyperEdit and time warp it for a time. Water goes down first an oxygen is at ~1/3. Waste Water and Carbon tanks are full at this time. I turn on the Carbon Extractor and the Water Purifier... but nothing. The water and oxygen continue to go down, waste water and carbon dioxyde don't move. I have enough electricity (8k EC !), and convertors are placed just side by side with the tanks (Purifier next to water tank, Extractor next to oxygen tank).

Did I make a mistake somewhere ? Is there anything else to activtate ? Or am I experiencing a bug ? (version up-to-date !)

Thanks in advance ;)

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almagnus1

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If you install Modular Fuel Tanks along TACLS it used to (maybe still does) add MFT hexcans and discs and hide all the normal ones.

That's functionality that should come native with TAC LS.

I'll take a deeper look at what my mods are, and see if I can't figure a way to hack that into TAC-LS, as my parts tree would love that.

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Kobymaru

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Hello, TaranisElsu. Is it possible to reduce the Log output of TAC-LS? My output_log.txt is full with


{
name = TacLifeSupport
scene = 5, 6, 7, 8
SavedGameSettings
{
IsNewSave = False
Enabled = True
HibernateInsteadOfKill = False
RespawnDelay = 9203545
CrewMemberInfo
{
name = Lukin Kerman
lastUpdate = 34399152.7655947
lastFood = 34399152.7655947
lastWater = 34399152.7655947
vesselName = Mun Station 1
vesselId = b9145c9a-b076-41b8-856b-81eec4c416b7
hibernating = False
}
CrewMemberInfo
{
name = Rocia Kerman
lastUpdate = 34399152.7655947
lastFood = 34399152.7655947
lastWater = 34399152.7655947
vesselName = Mun Station 1
vesselId = b9145c9a-b076-41b8-856b-81eec4c416b7
hibernating = False
}
CrewMemberInfo
{
name = Sonbald Kerman
lastUpdate = 34542583.0599327
lastFood = 34542583.0599327
lastWater = 34542583.0599327
vesselName = Minmus Station 1
vesselId = 7584a138-f511-4789-a16f-683c03667fae
hibernating = False
}
CrewMemberInfo
{
name = Edemy Kerman
lastUpdate = 34399152.7655947
lastFood = 34399152.7655947
lastWater = 34399152.7655947
vesselName = Mun Station 1
vesselId = b9145c9a-b076-41b8-856b-81eec4c416b7
hibernating = False
}
CrewMemberInfo
{
name = Debcia Kerman
lastUpdate = 34542583.0599327
lastFood = 34542583.0599327
lastWater = 34542583.0599327
vesselName = Minmus Station 1
vesselId = 7584a138-f511-4789-a16f-683c03667fae
hibernating = False
}
CrewMemberInfo
{
name = Gwenie Kerman
lastUpdate = 30536035.7875429
lastFood = 30536035.7875429
lastWater = 30536035.7875429
vesselName = KSS Base
vesselId = 7ff47e82-4f52-487d-8f78-218e71d88c5b
hibernating = False
}
CrewMemberInfo
{
name = Dirie Kerman
lastUpdate = 30536035.7875429
lastFood = 30536035.7875429
lastWater = 30536035.7875429
vesselName = KSS Base
vesselId = 7ff47e82-4f52-487d-8f78-218e71d88c5b
hibernating = False
}
CrewMemberInfo
{
name = Bob Kerman
lastUpdate = 34583616.0293083
lastFood = 34583616.0293083
lastWater = 34583616.0293083
vesselName = Duna Ship
vesselId = 81dbadba-4114-488a-97e9-508dd4bffd49
hibernating = False
}
CrewMemberInfo
{
name = Bill Kerman
lastUpdate = 34583616.0293083
lastFood = 34583616.0293083
lastWater = 34583616.0293083
vesselName = Duna Ship
vesselId = 81dbadba-4114-488a-97e9-508dd4bffd49
hibernating = False
}
CrewMemberInfo
{
name = Kennand Kerman
lastUpdate = 34583616.0293083
lastFood = 34583616.0293083
lastWater = 34583616.0293083
vesselName = Duna Ship
vesselId = 81dbadba-4114-488a-97e9-508dd4bffd49
hibernating = False
}
CrewMemberInfo
{
name = Mally Kerman
lastUpdate = 34583616.0293083
lastFood = 34583616.0293083
lastWater = 34583616.0293083
vesselName = Duna Ship
vesselId = 81dbadba-4114-488a-97e9-508dd4bffd49
hibernating = False
}
CrewMemberInfo
{
name = Gilmal Kerman
lastUpdate = 34542583.0599327
lastFood = 34542583.0599327
lastWater = 34542583.0599327
vesselName = Minmus Station 1
vesselId = 7584a138-f511-4789-a16f-683c03667fae
hibernating = False
}
VesselInfo
{
vesselName = Mun Station 1
vesselType = Station
numCrew = 3
numOccupiedParts = 2
lastUpdate = 34399152.7655947
lastFood = 34399152.7655947
lastWater = 34399152.7655947
lastOxygen = 34399152.7655947
lastElectricity = 34399152.7655947
remainingFood = 2326.39736230854
remainingWater = 600.730213887399
remainingOxygen = 143738.362172275
remainingElectricity = 19670.3199999928
remainingCO2 = 3680.62269892718
remainingWaste = 2.8
remainingWasteWater = 0
maxFood = 3831.976
maxWater = 869.8
maxOxygen = 151072.704
maxElectricity = 19670.3199999928
estimatedElectricityConsumptionRate = 0.085000000000001
hibernating = False
Guid = b9145c9a-b076-41b8-856b-81eec4c416b7
}
VesselInfo
{
vesselName = Minmus Miner
vesselType = Base
numCrew = 0
numOccupiedParts = 0
lastUpdate = 28604414.245574
lastFood = 28604414.245574
lastWater = 28604414.245574
lastOxygen = 28604414.245574
lastElectricity = 28604414.245574
remainingFood = 105.025990174669
remainingWater = 60.8886565625991
remainingOxygen = 11177.7276664621
remainingElectricity = 2859.40191329725
remainingCO2 = 191.826
remainingWaste = 0.2
remainingWasteWater = 1.848
maxFood = 108.194
maxWater = 81.45
maxOxygen = 14330.076
maxElectricity = 2860
estimatedElectricityConsumptionRate = 0
hibernating = False
Guid = fb3c1300-6c5b-4f74-b907-87e9e4d47290
}
VesselInfo
{
vesselName = Dontrey's Craft
vesselType = Debris
numCrew = 0
numOccupiedParts = 0
lastUpdate = 34443384.3455953
lastFood = 34443384.3455953
lastWater = 34443384.3455953
lastOxygen = 34443170.4583477
lastElectricity = 34443170.4583477
remainingFood = 0
remainingWater = 0
remainingOxygen = 0
remainingElectricity = 0
remainingCO2 = 0
remainingWaste = 0
remainingWasteWater = 0
maxFood = 1.097
maxWater = 0.725
maxOxygen = 111.038
maxElectricity = 450
estimatedElectricityConsumptionRate = 0
hibernating = False
Guid = f06c7a03-6395-4cea-a49d-ee33c60a1832
}
VesselInfo
{
vesselName = Sonbald's Derelict
vesselType = Ship
numCrew = 0
numOccupiedParts = 0
lastUpdate = 10311943.7510898
lastFood = 10311943.7510898
lastWater = 10311943.7510898
lastOxygen = 10311941.1910899
lastElectricity = 10311941.1910899
remainingFood = 0
remainingWater = 0
remainingOxygen = 0
remainingElectricity = 0
remainingCO2 = 0
remainingWaste = 0
remainingWasteWater = 0
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maxOxygen = 111.038
maxElectricity = 450
estimatedElectricityConsumptionRate = 0
hibernating = False
Guid = 73b308c8-d3d9-416a-b042-c320690e1be7
}
VesselInfo
{
vesselName = Edemy's Debris
vesselType = Debris
numCrew = 0
numOccupiedParts = 0
lastUpdate = 34554917.7263212
lastFood = 34554917.7263212
lastWater = 34554917.7263212
lastOxygen = 34554546.5334129
lastElectricity = 34554546.5334129
remainingFood = 0
remainingWater = 0
remainingOxygen = 0
remainingElectricity = 0
remainingCO2 = 0
remainingWaste = 0
remainingWasteWater = 0
maxFood = 0
maxWater = 0
maxOxygen = 0
maxElectricity = 0
estimatedElectricityConsumptionRate = 0
hibernating = False
Guid = 47fbdc22-ab26-412f-b110-faa1dcd4af0f
}
VesselInfo
{
vesselName = KSS Base
vesselType = Station
numCrew = 2
numOccupiedParts = 2
lastUpdate = 30536035.7875429
lastFood = 30536035.7875429
lastWater = 30536035.7875429
lastOxygen = 30536035.7875429
lastElectricity = 30536035.7875429
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remainingWater = 375.473710531331
remainingOxygen = 49549.126018013
remainingElectricity = 2270.88701505041
remainingCO2 = 3291.8466871466
remainingWaste = 1
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maxFood = 2573.058
maxWater = 377.85
maxOxygen = 59180.932
maxElectricity = 11375.359999992
estimatedElectricityConsumptionRate = 0.070833333333334
hibernating = False
Guid = 7ff47e82-4f52-487d-8f78-218e71d88c5b
}
VesselInfo
{
vesselName = Minmus Station 1
vesselType = Station
numCrew = 3
numOccupiedParts = 3
lastUpdate = 34542583.0599327
lastFood = 34542583.0599327
lastWater = 34542583.0599327
lastOxygen = 34542583.0599327
lastElectricity = 34542583.0599327
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remainingWater = 654.370764943927
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remainingElectricity = 2696.68578686281
remainingCO2 = 92.8122254686657
remainingWaste = 0.3
remainingWasteWater = 0.911687430763878
maxFood = 1328.491
maxWater = 786.175
maxOxygen = 122301.514
maxElectricity = 5565.35999999195
estimatedElectricityConsumptionRate = 0.106250000000001
hibernating = False
Guid = 7584a138-f511-4789-a16f-683c03667fae
}
VesselInfo
{
vesselName = Duna Ship
vesselType = Ship
numCrew = 4
numOccupiedParts = 3
lastUpdate = 34583616.0293083
lastFood = 34583616.0293083
lastWater = 34583616.0293083
lastOxygen = 34583616.0293083
lastElectricity = 34583616.0293083
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maxOxygen = 29879.838
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estimatedElectricityConsumptionRate = 0.120416666666668
hibernating = False
Guid = 81dbadba-4114-488a-97e9-508dd4bffd49
}
VesselInfo
{
vesselName = Traedith's Hulk
vesselType = Ship
numCrew = 0
numOccupiedParts = 0
lastUpdate = 30752549.6629825
lastFood = 30752549.6629825
lastWater = 30752549.6629825
lastOxygen = 30752445.5239537
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remainingFood = 0
remainingWater = 0
remainingOxygen = 0
remainingElectricity = 0
remainingCO2 = 0
remainingWaste = 0
remainingWasteWater = 0
maxFood = 2.194
maxWater = 1.45
maxOxygen = 222.076
maxElectricity = 450
estimatedElectricityConsumptionRate = 0
hibernating = False
Guid = ef36cac1-1844-4537-bcbb-5b61836882e2
}
VesselInfo
{
vesselName = Tralian's Wreckage
vesselType = Ship
numCrew = 0
numOccupiedParts = 0
lastUpdate = 31061316.3636425
lastFood = 31061316.3636425
lastWater = 31061316.3636425
lastOxygen = 31061305.3436427
lastElectricity = 31061305.3436427
remainingFood = 0
remainingWater = 0
remainingOxygen = 0
remainingElectricity = 0
remainingCO2 = 0
remainingWaste = 0
remainingWasteWater = 0
maxFood = 2.194
maxWater = 1.45
maxOxygen = 222.076
maxElectricity = 500
estimatedElectricityConsumptionRate = 0
hibernating = False
Guid = 298a2e5d-8a63-4ad3-9772-4c30151c94f0
}
}
}

root
{
GlobalSettings
{
MaxDeltaTime = 86400
ElectricityMaxDeltaTime = 1
FoodResource = Food
WaterResource = Water
OxygenResource = Oxygen
CarbonDioxideResource = CarbonDioxide
WasteResource = Waste
WasteWaterResource = WasteWater
FoodConsumptionRate = 1.6927083333E-05
WaterConsumptionRate = 1.1188078704E-05
OxygenConsumptionRate = 0.001713537562385
ElectricityConsumptionRate = 0.014166666666667
BaseElectricityConsumptionRate = 0.02125
EvaElectricityConsumptionRate = 0.00425
CO2ProductionRate = 0.00148012889876
WasteProductionRate = 1.539351852E-06
WasteWaterProductionRate = 1.4247685185E-05
EvaDefaultResourceAmount = 21600
MaxTimeWithoutFood = 1296000
MaxTimeWithoutWater = 1E+169
MaxTimeWithoutOxygen = 7200
MaxTimeWithoutElectricity = 7200
}
TACLifeSupportSettings
{
visible = False
x = 634
y = 260
width = 371
height = 264
}
LifeSupportBuildAid
{
visible = False
x = 264
y = 121
width = 394
height = 241
}
LifeSupportMonitoring
{
visible = False
x = 310
y = 192
width = 300
height = 300
}
LifeSupportCrewRoster
{
visible = False
x = 680
y = 425
width = 320
height = 200
}
}
Tac.TacLifeSupport[FFBF7AFC][3891.40]: OnSave: SCENARIO

Is this output really necessary? Would you consider removing it?

BTW, this is GitHub Issue #79.

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dawixx

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That's functionality that should come native with TAC LS.

I'll take a deeper look at what my mods are, and see if I can't figure a way to hack that into TAC-LS, as my parts tree would love that.

Similar thing happens with RealFuels. All of those discs and whatnot are replaced with one disc/hexcan etc per size(or either per type, can't remember) and you're left with few highly customisable parts instead of a cluster.... it is without RealFuels

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Have you given any thought into collecting the life support hex cans and discs into a single hex can or disc of a size class, then using the texture change functionality to switch between the various components?

I'm thinking of functionality like RoverDude did with the freight containers in FTT, and this would help clear up a lot of the clutter that TAC-LS makes of the parts menus by reducing the hex cans and discs down to just one for life support and another for waste for each size class, rather than the 20-30 different components that are currently present, as TAC-LS tends to spam the early game Utilities parts screen with a lot of stuff.

http://forum.kerbalspaceprogram.com/threads/40667?p=1519118

http://forum.kerbalspaceprogram.com/threads/40667?p=2001257

Pick whichever one you prefer.

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SmarterThanMe

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Can I suggest that, somewhere in the first post or FAQ or somewhere else we have a couple of dot points on the per kerbal per hour (or per second?) consumption of various resources? It's just a simple thing that would help out with planning immensely.

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Hey guys. So all the TAC life support stuff goes into the "Utility" tab and really clutters it up. However, some mod that I've added (not sure which one) created a "Life Support" tab with a picture of 3 leaves on it. Why aren't my TAC parts in there??

And then the real question, how do I change the .cfg files so that my tac parts ARE in there. I tried changing the category from "Utility" to "Life Support" and my game never loads. So I think I have the reference name of the category wrong. Anyone know how I can find out the reference name?

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Hey guys. So all the TAC life support stuff goes into the "Utility" tab and really clutters it up. However, some mod that I've added (not sure which one) created a "Life Support" tab with a picture of 3 leaves on it. Why aren't my TAC parts in there??

And then the real question, how do I change the .cfg files so that my tac parts ARE in there. I tried changing the category from "Utility" to "Life Support" and my game never loads. So I think I have the reference name of the category wrong. Anyone know how I can find out the reference name?

This is normally done by creating a category cfg using MODCAT. Mods that use it have a folder called Category inside their structure and a file called Category.cfg. Here's how you would create your own file/category. It would follow the format of:

MODCAT

{

folderName = ThunderAerospace

normalPath = ThunderAerospace/UnselectedIcon

selectedPath = ThunderAerospace/SelectedIcon

title = Life Support <---- If you keep whatever you have installed with this category created for it you'd have to make this different

}

I don't know if you could insert TAC LS into the Life Support category you already have. You could try it by identifying what is creating it and then copy the cfg over to a Category folder you create within the TAC LS directory structure and replace the folderName with ThunderAerospace - I do not know if this will work or not. Hope this helps at least some!

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And then the real question, how do I change the .cfg files so that my tac parts ARE in there. I tried changing the category from "Utility" to "Life Support" and my game never loads. So I think I have the reference name of the category wrong. Anyone know how I can find out the reference name?

You need to look at the config for one of the parts that does appear in the custom part category, and probably use a MM patch to override the default setting.

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The mod that adds the "Life Support" tab is Kerbal Planetary Base Systems which I also like. :) Unfortunately I don't think there is a way for us to put other parts from say TACLS in there.

See this post in his forum.

http://forum.kerbalspaceprogram.com/threads/127413-WIP-1-0-4-Kerbal-Planetary-Base-Systems-v0-2-2-Update-25-8-2015?p=2166186&viewfull=1#post2166186

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I encountered an annoying bug and I'm having some difficulty tracking down the cause. I have TAC lifesupport 0.11.1.20 installed as well as a number of other mods (including Tweakscale and Modular Fuel Tanks).

I am also running the TACLS Declutter by Somnambulis which helps a lot and still keeps the right texture for each tank. All the HEX cans work perfectly, however, the inline containers have the following bug. When I choose the container in the VAB and I place it on a craft somewhere it looks fine and its size is the standard 1.250m, however, as soon as I right-click on it to access the menu it becomes a .625m part and has only two other rescale options .300m and .100m. Is this a tweakscale issue or MFT or a combo of them not liking the Declutterer?

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Hi everyone!

I'm fascinated about this mod but recent investigations come out with the question:

Is there a reason to not make launch clumps a "resource generator" for TACLS like they are for electricity?

While waiting for a transfer window on a ground it is quite useful.

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Hi everyone!

I'm fascinated about this mod but recent investigations come out with the question:

Is there a reason to not make launch clumps a "resource generator" for TACLS like they are for electricity?

While waiting for a transfer window on a ground it is quite useful.

ummm......ships consume no TAC resources in a pre-launch state. (I.E. before any staging)

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