(KSP 1.10 + 1.12 ) Mission Controller 3.2.0 (Final Version) (Updated 6/25/2021)

[Apollo13]

The problem concerning actual payout and the log still exists. In the following, I received the payout of $210,000. The log shows $150,000. the bottom of the image shows the log entries.

[Apollo13]

They say the available missions depend on your reputation, so maybe other missions become available as you go along. Still... I imagine there will be plenty of room for improvement via MCE.

KSP 0.24 will NOT provide funds for parts that are parachuted back to Kerbin. MCE does pay for recycling/recovery.

So I'm confused by that because the .zip file states BSP missions not supported! Are you referring to those or another .zip file?

The missions do work. However, if there is a bug in the mission, malkuth WILL NOT modify MCE to prevent the bug. I've found only one bug in the BSP missions; the repair mission. When completed, you are not paid. The workaround is simply to add the funds to your cash total after closing the KSP program.

Edited July 16, 2014 by Apollo13

[autumnalequinox]

i was literally just starting to build my own personal twin custom story missions in mission controller when this update came out. i have finally worked out my tech tree. as others have stated misison controller can definitely fill in some glaring gaps i've seen. i think it's interesting how the stock contract system resembles mission controller at some core levels (auto-loaning, and such). i still see a future in sandbox mode, as not everyone wants to do the tech grind but still wants to run a space program. absolutely loved this mod it has been integral to my entire approach to ksp as an engineering and strategy game.

[slay_mithos]

It just occured to me what "RSS" from the mission pack meant, it's for the real solar system mod.

This explains why it made no sense with the altitudes and coordinates.

It might be good to state what this stands for in the first post, for people that might not know what abbreviations might mean.

[UAL002]

Malkuth, NEW stagerecovery mod! http://forum.kerbalspaceprogram.com/threads/86677-0-24-StageRecovery-Recover-Funds-from-Dropped-Stages-v1-0-%287-18-14%29

I think all you need worry about is custom missions now. Unless you want a more complex recovery system. Just heads up. Cheers.

Here's another that looks a bit more refined. DebRefund http://forum.kerbalspaceprogram.com/threads/86691-0-24-DebRefund

Edited July 18, 2014 by UAL002

[StarLiner]

I'd enjoy recovery of funds being an unlockable tech like in MCE, it makes you feel more accomplished.

I'm hoping whatever becomes of MCE after .24 makes the game more difficult as well, getting funds is a breeze at the moment.

[UAL002]

I do agree that part recovery should have to be unlockable. My previous post was merely a heads up.

[malkuth]

Wish I could play. Won't have internet house until sat night. Still have not played .24.

Or had a look.

[Artophwar]

Im hoping this mod continues in some form. I would like to see some of the mission types that MCE had added to the new contracts system. Maybe MCE could also add difficulty settings to the stock game. Currently it is way to easy to make money and it becomes irrelevant quickly. I understand that the new update will probably require a lot of reworking and potentially starting over but I think the the name should continue on even it really has little of the code from the original.

[malkuth]

Oh it will continue. Reading how easy it is might be a good idea to keep mce price algorithm in place and call it something like hard mode. And up all the part prices automatically.

Edited July 19, 2014 by malkuth

[UAL002]

I like having more money in stock, it gives me more spending cash to blow on stupid rockets every now and again. Then back to the grind.

[Apollo13]

I suggest that that the parts recovery/recycling either be removed from MCE or made optional via the settings. DebRefund mod (see UAL002's post #1980) now performs that function very well and is integrated into the stock Mission messages panel. I would prefer that DebRefund not conflict with MCE, whereby, I would either be refunded twice or the functions would get confused and not refund at all.

Edited July 19, 2014 by Apollo13

[slay_mithos]

Hum, if MCE kept the refund, then what would be the point in installing an other mod for refunds?

I'm a bit confused...

[Apollo13]

Hum, if MCE kept the refund, then what would be the point in installing an other mod for refunds?

DebRefund and MCE use different algorithms to determine payout. DebRefund is integrated into the stock message queue; MCE is not.

KSP refunds for parts that you land with, such as the command module and probes; MCE does this as well. Therefore, MCE and stock KSP will conflict. At the least, that payout needs to be removed from MCE.

My suggestion is to give players a choice of DEBRIS payout algorithms when they want to use MCE's mission generation capabilities, but not payout. Or, by removing from MCE entirely, malkuth can concentrate on mission generation, which is the core function of MCE.

See...nothing to be confused about.

Edited July 19, 2014 by Apollo13

[UAL002]

Yea, and there is still plenty of custom missions for MCE to add. Im really looking forward to more realistic MCE style missions like before. Some of the stock missions are a bit silly. Fun, but silly. Its nice to have choice though. Apollo13, now we just need to pester the DebRefund guy to make a config option to make the recycling purchasable with science.

[StarLiner]

I personally dislike DebRefund style systems. Reusability should be challenging and rewarding. Something you design your launch vehicle around. Merely strapping parachutes on boosters feels a bit cheap because it requires little effort even with basic low tech parts. That's just my POV though.

I like having more money in stock, it gives me more spending cash to blow on stupid rockets every now and again. Then back to the grind.

This is why I think difficulty levels like MCE had would be perfect. I personally prefer orbital or Mun missions to net a relatively small profit, encouraging you to spend your own hard earned funds on infrastructure to make them cheaper and more profitable as you go. Others prefer higher payout to reduce grind. Difficulty levels let players play as they wish.

Part of me loves the idea of having the old price algorithm back, but the beauty of the new fund system is it's universal. Modders can add in prices they feel are balanced, without MCE spitting out a ludicrous price as it would for certain mods.

What about difficulty levels in the form of multipliers on prices and rewards?

Edited July 19, 2014 by StarLiner

[malkuth]

Development update:

Alright had a chance to look at ksp .24 real quick and have come to this conclusion. I will completely rewrite mce.

I will be releasing at first preview versions.

Preview 1 I will try to get out by end of this week. Will focus on the economics of mce.

Including.

Hire of kerbals: kerbals cost money.

Salaries of astronauts based on rep. The better rep u have cheaper astronauts pay is. The worse rep the higher the pay.

Maintance. Keeping a space center running cost money again better rep you have the cheaper maintenance cost, bad rep means higher cost.

Kerbal support personnel. For every kerbal astronaut you have a certain amount of support personnel are needed: (maybe will be included)

Difficulty levels I will use my experience with editing part prices and add a multiplier to all parts. For instance.

Easy mode: default ksp prices.

Moderate mode: all part prices modifier of 1.5x or higher (take some testing)

Hardcore mode: all part prices modifier of 2x or higher. Higher kerbal hire cost, maintenance and support.

Return of test flights. Want to test your rockets first? Well revert will cost you money testing(Maybe included not sure)

I know that a few mods have added auto recycle but I plan on including my autoreycle in mce. But will give you options of turning it off in favor of one of the other mods.

Auto recycle will include parachutes and rocket assisted.

That will most likely be it for prerelease 1.

Might not be much I can do about ksp recover being available right away, but for sure mce autoreycle will require a tech level purchase! And rocket assisted will be a higher tier!

Prerelease 2 will start converting mce missions to ksp 24 contracts. Fleshing out any other issues that might exist.

Including

repair missions

Docking

Satellite delivery

Mce orbital research

Mce rover research

Eva missions

Again as mce will require a rewrite the time frame might be a little off, matters how much time I have to get it done.

Any questions feel free to ask or make suggestions.

Thanks malkuth.

Edited July 20, 2014 by malkuth

[UAL002]

If you need artwork, you have my fingers... wait that doesn't sound right.

[veryinky]

The missions I miss the most in .24 are MCE's satellite missions. I loved placing satellites in orbit, especially geostationary ones.

Remotetech 2 and SCANsat missions would be my suggestion.

That and EVA missions to anomalies, should be a fun challenge to land near one.

[slay_mithos]

What I'd love to suggest is the ability to take on multiple missions, by locking the current one to a specific vessel.

At the start, it doesn't have much use, but as you get missions to other planets, there is all the wait for a transfer window and right now, you need to name the vessel in order to remember what mission to take when the time comes.

As I understand it, it should be possible, seeing that the "ownership change" missions keep a text in the mission box afterwards.

[BioHaZarD.PT]

I miss satellite missions too, and I'd like to see them in .24. Also missions to launch a space station and then resupply and replace the Kerbals aboard it once in a while. You know... more realistic type of missions. Personally I find all the part testing contracts in .24 to be mostly annoying.

In terms of UI Squad could have learned a thing or two with MCE. A cost break down window would be useful. As would some way to check contract rewards without going to the Mission Control building. When you complete a contract you don't even get a reminder of how much you made. MCE put all those numbers front and center. Made them seem important. In KSP .24 I even forget about the money after a while.

Here's another idea: contracts to land on a specific biome (on Kerbin, Moon or Minmus) to collect science. Instead of just landing wherever we want.

[TheDamDog]

Any plans for MCE to expand on vanilla contracts? I've been using MCE for a while and quite enjoy some of the missions available. It'd be great to see them integrated into vanilla KSP!

Or would that be a separate mod?

[malkuth]

Any plans for MCE to expand on vanilla contracts? I've been using MCE for a while and quite enjoy some of the missions available. It'd be great to see them integrated into vanilla KSP!

Or would that be a separate mod?

Hi damdog read the development update a few post above this.

[Apollo13]

I know that a few mods have added auto recycle but I plan on including my autoreycle in mce. But will give you options of turning it off in favor of one of the other mods.

I am looking forward to MCE vers. 2.0.

However, the above quote concerns me. As I mentioned above, KSP 0.24 also includes recovery/recycling of parts that you land with (not parachuted debris). MCE must account for this core feature , unless MCE can modify it directly as well.

[slay_mithos]

Knowing that he is doing a full rewrite, it would be odd not to take into account what vanilla KSP provides.