Talisar Posted October 21, 2013 Share Posted October 21, 2013 (edited) Just a quick little part I made up. It's a radially attached part intended for kerbals to use to store experimental data while on EVA. It is located in the science tab and is integrated into the technology tree.To use, right click on the part while on EVA to store data. When it contains data, you may right click on the part to review stored data and either transmit or delete it.DownloadThanks to Majiir for providing hosting for the files.This work is licensed under a Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike 3.0 Unported License. Edited May 6, 2014 by Talisar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bothersome Posted October 21, 2013 Share Posted October 21, 2013 (edited) I've been an avid stock player for so long,...After completing the stock science tree I'm back to square one again. Which is to say I'm are basically in sandbox mode of play finding my own reasons to continue.But this is one part that should be in the stock game. I mean, how hard is it to invent a storage box for rocks?Since I'm probably going to be dabbling into the dark side, I'm also needing a science tree work-over. One that makes more sense as to how technologies tend to come into existence. Wheels should NOT be at the end. Nor should metal I-Beams and plates. Something definitely needs to be fixed in the tech tree.OK I'll quit ranting in your thread. Good job you did there.P.S... Forgot to ask, would it be feasible to make it so you cannot transmit samples? Is it possible to turn off the transmit for samples only? I could understand that, if we had a oven/crock-pot/molecular analyzer/gadget/whatever to "cook" the samples while on remote location, the data from that could be sent back. Only a percentage would be usable and should take quite a long while and use tons electricity. Bringing the samples home would obviously be best because the entire worlds technologies could be brought to bear on those samples. Edited October 21, 2013 by Bothersome Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BananaDealer Posted October 21, 2013 Share Posted October 21, 2013 Neat! Does the data stored via this part count along with data stored on pods? As in, does it break the "only one report per biome" rule? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Talisar Posted October 21, 2013 Author Share Posted October 21, 2013 I don't know about the possibility to turn off the ability to transmit. This part uses the same module for data storage as the stock pods, so in that narrow respect it acts in the same manner. It's just a bit more convenient to get to sometimes, and lets me roleplay that I'm collecting rock samples Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
togfox Posted October 21, 2013 Share Posted October 21, 2013 We totally need more parts like this! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
White Owl Posted October 21, 2013 Share Posted October 21, 2013 So if I had a few of these parts on a lander, then one kerbal could collect multiple surface samples? Do I understand this correctly? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Talisar Posted October 21, 2013 Author Share Posted October 21, 2013 Yep, I collected several and when I recovered the vessel it listed them all (with the expected diminishing returns) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaius Posted October 21, 2013 Share Posted October 21, 2013 Awesome! A much more elegant solution than using multiple command pods for their storage... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sharpspoonful Posted October 21, 2013 Share Posted October 21, 2013 A suggestion or two, if you do not mind: - Add the grab .cfg to the part so kerbals can carry and possibly add the samples while away from the ship. - Different sized or perhaps different types of storage, one for datum and one for samples. This will make you have to plan for what you expect to be gathering, and make missions more specific. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KerbMav Posted October 21, 2013 Share Posted October 21, 2013 Podless exploration rovers, yay! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scotius Posted October 21, 2013 Share Posted October 21, 2013 Thanks Talisar. This part is exactly what mine (and probably many other) space program needed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tassyr Posted October 21, 2013 Share Posted October 21, 2013 So first off- major kudos, this part is GREAT. There's just one catch...... It won't let me review data, or show that there's actually data stored in the thing. It just has the "Store Data" Option.Did something break? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Talisar Posted October 21, 2013 Author Share Posted October 21, 2013 Hmm. I was able to review and transmit it. It's possible that you have to be controlling the ship that the part is mounted on to do that, however. I don't think i tried to do anything other than store from EVA. It'll be a few hours before I can test this though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KerbMav Posted October 21, 2013 Share Posted October 21, 2013 It's possible that you have to be controlling the ship that the part is mounted on to do thatCant be done with the stock pod which - I guess - uses the same module in its .cfg file. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Talisar Posted October 21, 2013 Author Share Posted October 21, 2013 - snip - I could understand that, if we had a oven/crock-pot/molecular analyzer/gadget/whatever to "cook" the samples while on remote location, the data from that could be sent back. Only a percentage would be usable and should take quite a long while and use tons electricity. Bringing the samples home would obviously be best because the entire worlds technologies could be brought to bear on those samples.I think this is a really good idea for an advanced version of this part. I mostly envisioned this one as a just a storage box so my kerbal could pick up more rocks and take them back home for study, but I can envision a part that allows a higher transmittion completion rate at the cost of being much larger/heavier and requiring a lot of power. Possibly a (relatively) portable mass spectrometer?The major downside to this idea would be that (I believe) the part should take quite a bit of research to unlock, so that by the time you got it, you really wouldn't need it much. Could help those of us who are completion fanatics though, trying to extract every bit of science from each location even if we don't need any more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Talisar Posted October 21, 2013 Author Share Posted October 21, 2013 Cant be done with the stock pod which - I guess - uses the same module in its .cfg file.Hrm. I was using the Command Pod mk1 when I tested it. I'll check it out when I get home from work in a couple of hours and see if I can't see what's going on, if someone else doesn't beat me to it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KerbMav Posted October 21, 2013 Share Posted October 21, 2013 I think this is a really good idea for an advanced version of this part.A bulky, heavy, power hungry, expensive part as a tech tree ultimate you mean?Sounds like an idea to me.Maybe borrow some tech from the Kethane drill to enable it to take samples?I looked into a part.cfg and the transmitter value is bound to the module that creates the data, that is to the part that offers the option to start the experiment. So it is not the antenna - and cannot be the storage container - that defines the percentage of the transmitted data, it is the definition for the experiment in the module.That is from just looking, not saying that the data cannot be altered afterwards in any way this noob does not know of. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Talisar Posted October 21, 2013 Author Share Posted October 21, 2013 Ok, I tested the containers paired with each of the stock command pods, and they appear to work with certain limitations. You can only "Store Data" while EVA'd, and you can only "Review Stored Data" while actively controlling the vessel that the container is attached to (Not EVA'd). Additionally, if you choose to "Transmit Data" from an antenna, it will automatically empty each container and send off the data in sequence. I haven't tried it on a rover equipped with an external seat, but I hope that one works as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KerbMav Posted October 21, 2013 Share Posted October 21, 2013 (edited) Well, at least in sandbox it seems you can store the same experiment multiple times - same surface sample from same biome e.g. - is this intended or just a quirk of sandbox?Nonsense, my mistake, only one unique data package per container.Sitting in an external seat on a rover you can log EVA reports and take samples - and transmit them while seated (as long as the rover has an antenna). Edited October 21, 2013 by KerbMav Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rhoark Posted October 21, 2013 Share Posted October 21, 2013 Is there a way to transfer from one container to another? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tassyr Posted October 21, 2013 Share Posted October 21, 2013 (edited) Question. I've made a version that works with the KAS mod so that you can remove and place the containers; i.e. transfer from the lander module to the main craft. Do you want me to post the .cfg here, or would you rather I not edit your work? Edited October 21, 2013 by Tassyr Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Specialist290 Posted October 21, 2013 Share Posted October 21, 2013 This idea is brilliant, and is a godsend for anyone who wants to do a true Apollo-style Munar orbit rendezvous mission in Career Mode. I'll be downloading it immediately. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Talisar Posted October 21, 2013 Author Share Posted October 21, 2013 (edited) Is there a way to transfer from one container to another?No, these act the same way as command pods with the data storage but not the command-poddines, so there's still no way to transferQuestion. I've made a version that works with the KAS mod so that you can remove and place the containers; i.e. transfer from the lander module to the main craft. Do you want me to post the .cfg here, or would you rather I not edit your work?By all means share it! This would probably be an acceptable workaround for not being able to transfer data. Edited October 21, 2013 by Talisar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tassyr Posted October 22, 2013 Share Posted October 22, 2013 (edited) By all means share it! This would probably be an acceptable workaround for not being able to transfer data.Sadly the .cfg edit directly in the part fries. You need to use this one; add it to the KAS "addModule.cfg" file./////////////// sample box /////////////GRAB{ stockPartName = TAL.Radial.Experiment.Storage.Container evaPartPos = (0.0, 0.00, -0.15) evaPartDir = (0,0,-1) physicJoint = true storable = true storedSize = 5 attachOnPart = True attachOnEva = False attachOnStatic = False attachSendMsgOnly = False}Note: DO NOT store this again in a container. it WILL lose all data. Edited October 22, 2013 by Tassyr Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hellbrand Posted October 22, 2013 Share Posted October 22, 2013 (edited) Is there any way to make somthing store more than one sample ? for example if one was to modify the .cfg of the kas Boxes, to store samples but have the smallone store less than the large ones.and by that i mean turning them into storage containers so they can store samples themselves, not store the storage containers. Edited October 22, 2013 by Hellbrand Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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