Rokker Posted June 7, 2014 Share Posted June 7, 2014 Actually, all the shuttles are realistic like. The x-33 is actually a real concept shuttle.The X-33 is realistic the other three are not even close. The "lunar shuttle" wouldnt have enough engine pitch to compensate for the SRBs, not to mention it cant use the tank in orbit meaning in the end u still have a shuttle with just RCS for thrusters, the armageddon shuttle is... its very "special" lets say. and the united nations one ignores the fact that the United Nations Space branch is very small and doesnt launch rockets. Also the fact that that rocket would flip FAR-style because of the center of pressure's location. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoldForest Posted June 7, 2014 Share Posted June 7, 2014 The X-33 is realistic the other three are not even close. The "lunar shuttle" wouldnt have enough engine pitch to compensate for the SRBs, not to mention it cant use the tank in orbit meaning in the end u still have a shuttle with just RCS for thrusters, the armageddon shuttle is... its very "special" lets say. and the united nations one ignores the fact that the United Nations Space branch is very small and doesnt launch rockets. Also the fact that that rocket would flip FAR-style because of the center of pressure's location.If you look at the x-71(the Armageddon shuttle) , it has hunches on the back side, this could be fuel tanks, so it is possible for the engines to be relit in space. As for the SRBs and engine pitch, as long as the COM is behind the COT, it should be fine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qnistNAMEERF Posted June 7, 2014 Share Posted June 7, 2014 Helldiver already has other parts he was considering adding in after the Super 25. Let's just be patient and look forward to future updates on the S25 for now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wasmic Posted June 7, 2014 Share Posted June 7, 2014 The X-33. It looks great, but I don't really think it could fit the KSO theme. It's a rocket SSTO that launches vertically and lands horizontally, but its cargo capacity would be very low, beyond the crew which can be assumed to be about 7. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
comham Posted June 7, 2014 Share Posted June 7, 2014 Helldiver already has other parts he was considering adding in after the Super 25. Let's just be patient and look forward to future updates on the S25 for now.I'm particularly looking forward to his take on a lander capsule/legs/associated things Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoldForest Posted June 7, 2014 Share Posted June 7, 2014 http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d9/2009VersionX33.JPG/270px-2009VersionX33.JPGThe X-33. It looks great, but I don't really think it could fit the KSO theme. It's a rocket SSTO that launches vertically and lands horizontally, but its cargo capacity would be very low, beyond the crew which can be assumed to be about 7.Actually, the cargo bay is rather large. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rokker Posted June 7, 2014 Share Posted June 7, 2014 If you look at the x-71(the Armageddon shuttle) , it has hunches on the back side, this could be fuel tanks, so it is possible for the engines to be relit in space. As for the SRBs and engine pitch, as long as the COM is behind the COT, it should be fine.I know that if the COT is through the COM it would be fine, Im saying it would clearly not be the case, the SRBs on the side along with the shuttle might work since that is similar to the actual configuration, but the SRBs on the back end would shift the CoT far too much.. The same goes for the Armageddon shuttle, the SRBs would cause it to flip around in space. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoldForest Posted June 7, 2014 Share Posted June 7, 2014 I know that if the COT is through the COM it would be fine, Im saying it would clearly not be the case, the SRBs on the side along with the shuttle might work since that is similar to the actual configuration, but the SRBs on the back end would shift the CoT far too much.. The same goes for the Armageddon shuttle, the SRBs would cause it to flip around in space.Not if you had powerful enough RCS they would compensate for the problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wasmic Posted June 7, 2014 Share Posted June 7, 2014 Actually, the cargo bay is rather large.http://www.aee.odu.edu/img/aerosystems/jpg/30_venturestar.jpgIt wouldn't be able to carry a lot of cargo measured in weight. IIRC, it was about 10 tons compared to the Shuttle's ~20. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rokker Posted June 7, 2014 Share Posted June 7, 2014 http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d9/2009VersionX33.JPG/270px-2009VersionX33.JPGThe X-33. It looks great, but I don't really think it could fit the KSO theme. It's a rocket SSTO that launches vertically and lands horizontally, but its cargo capacity would be very low, beyond the crew which can be assumed to be about 7.The X-33 was supposed to be unmanned and suborbital, it had NO payload. They are probably referring to the VentureStar which would be orbital, but still unmanned. It could carry 20000 kg to orbit and would have the option to carry passengers as cargo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rokker Posted June 7, 2014 Share Posted June 7, 2014 Not if you had powerful enough RCS they would compensate for the problem.Waste RCS on launch, good plan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoldForest Posted June 7, 2014 Share Posted June 7, 2014 Oh, you meant on launch, I thought you meant in space lolWell, the x-33 has extra surface controls to compensate for that. There are loads of ways to fix the COM problem.Heavier fuel tanklower thrust SRBsWeights in the shuttle to move the COM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rokker Posted June 7, 2014 Share Posted June 7, 2014 Oh, you meant on launch, I thought you meant in space lolWell, the x-33 has extra surface controls to compensate for that. There are loads of ways to fix the COM problem.Heavier fuel tanklower thrust SRBsWeights in the shuttle to move the COMTypically, though, lowering the thrust of an SRB results in a lower ISP, at least in my model rocketing experience Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Javster Posted June 7, 2014 Share Posted June 7, 2014 The only thing I really dislike about the mod is the laptops on the station. The square RPM on a rectangular screen looks out of place, and worse still, there is a normal laptop background almost completely covered by the RPM. It's a good idea, but it seems a bit rushed compared to the rest of this excellent mod. Maybe a square laptop would have worked better? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avalon304 Posted June 7, 2014 Share Posted June 7, 2014 The only thing I really dislike about the mod is the laptops on the station. The square RPM on a rectangular screen looks out of place, and worse still, there is a normal laptop background almost completely covered by the RPM. It's a good idea, but it seems a bit rushed compared to the rest of this excellent mod. Maybe a square laptop would have worked better?The RPM screen is a window on the laptop, just like a browser windows on your computer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wasmic Posted June 7, 2014 Share Posted June 7, 2014 The X-33 was supposed to be unmanned and suborbital, it had NO payload. They are probably referring to the VentureStar which would be orbital, but still unmanned. It could carry 20000 kg to orbit and would have the option to carry passengers as cargo.Oh, right, my bad. I always fail to distinguish between the two. It's not the first time that it's happened... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starwaster Posted June 8, 2014 Share Posted June 8, 2014 Typically, though, lowering the thrust of an SRB results in a lower ISP, at least in my model rocketing experienceThrust is actually based on Isp, not the other way around. Thrust depends on Isp and mass flow of the propellant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unikraken Posted June 8, 2014 Share Posted June 8, 2014 The Block 7 craft file doesn't seem to retain the action keys. Is this a known issue and is there a fixed version of the craft file out there? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wasmic Posted June 8, 2014 Share Posted June 8, 2014 Typically, though, lowering the thrust of an SRB results in a lower ISP, at least in my model rocketing experienceActually not. When lowering the Isp of an SRB by changing for example the nozzle, thrust will be reduced because the effective exhaust velocity is reduced. However, a slower burning fuel that has approximately the same specific energy (energy/weight) will produce lower thrust with the same Isp. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
montyben101 Posted June 8, 2014 Share Posted June 8, 2014 How long will the cargo bay be on the larger shuttle? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avalon304 Posted June 8, 2014 Share Posted June 8, 2014 How long will the cargo bay be on the larger shuttle?I believe the number was roughly 5 meters in length. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
montyben101 Posted June 8, 2014 Share Posted June 8, 2014 Are you sure? it seems a bit short to me after looking at the photos? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sochin Posted June 8, 2014 Share Posted June 8, 2014 I think its around 2.5 - 3.0m wide and arund 7-9m long (I think from previous posts). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wasmic Posted June 8, 2014 Share Posted June 8, 2014 I think its around 2.5 - 3.0m wide and arund 7-9m long (I think from previous posts).It's wide enough to carry 2.5m parts with small attachments (like RCS blocks), which means that it's more than 2.5m wide. And it looks like it's about 2.5 to 3 times as long as it's wide. I'm not sure if it'll carry an orange juice, but there should be room for a two-segment grey tank. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snckrz Posted June 8, 2014 Share Posted June 8, 2014 I just installed this mod, but it crashes my KSP right after the loading screen before the menu :/ My installed mods are: FasaKW Rocketryand Mechjeb..Is there any incompatibility? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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