Should China be allowed to collaborate with NASA?

[ravensoul6@hotmail.com]

I'd rather have the government control everything than a corporation.

Atleast a government is somewhat obliged to do actions in the best interest of its citizens. A corporation is obliged to do things in the best interest of their wallet. Come to think of it, I want governments to control space, not companies in the way of special "committees". A committee would be formed up of all the spacefaring nations who are capable of reaching that destination and they would control the area, for example, a company who wants to mine on Mars in 2050 will have to be approved by both the American, Chinese, European, and Russian delegates in a quick vote on their permit request

But what I do support is increasing the powers of the UN and adding more members into the security council and ejecting members who are notorious for civil rights abuses (I'll say North Korea to avoid another five pages of discussion) along with strengthening the UN peacekeeping corps and having them directly cooperate with the best militaries of the world (Russia, United States, China) in operations, along with slowly raising the standards of impoverished nations and loosening border restrictions between first world nations.

Not a world government, since humanity is too factionized to make one for the next five centuries, but close enough.

Giving more power to governments is madness. Free markets and free people is a better alternative. Corporations will have a hard time forming any monopolies without the force of government. I think we will likely have to agree to disagree though since I don't think and statist and an anarchist can find much to agree on.

[Red Iron Crown]

Corporations will have a hard time forming any monopolies without the force of government.

Some things have such economies of scale that they naturally tend toward monopolies. In such cases, nationalization or at least regulation is desirable to avoid predatory pricing.

[Vanamonde]

Looks like there's some cleaning up to do. The thread will be back momentarily.

Okay, I think that's everything.

Ladies and gentlemen, I actually agree with quite a view of the viewpoints expressed in the removed posts, but the fact remains that politics, nationalism, and accusations of genocide have no place on our friendly forum. We're opening the thread back up now, but please stay away from politics or we'll have to close it and leave it closed.

Edited May 24, 2014 by Vanamonde

[kmMango]

Vanamonde, thank you for your help there. Now, as the second post on this thread says: no flaming, arguments, excessive politics, advocacy, avocados, and disquiet both general and major. NO POLITICS. Only what China and the US have to gain or lose from a partnership.

Edited February 23, 2015 by kmMango

[LeathalMeatball]

Seeing as how the Chinese government has no respect for intellectual property and look at patents like cookbooks, I think that such a relation will probably be taken advantage of by the PRC to copy as much of our designs and tech as they can. The Chinese will be the only ones to benefit from such a "partnership".

[vger]

Seeing as how the Chinese government has no respect for intellectual property and look at patents like cookbooks, I think that such a relation will probably be taken advantage of by the PRC to copy as much of our designs and tech as they can. The Chinese will be the only ones to benefit from such a "partnership".

With the amount of plans they probably already have through cyber espionage, I'm not sure if OVERTLY working with them would make that situation any worse.

The patent system is quickly becoming an impediment to progress anyhow. The exact opposite of what it was (supposedly) intended to do.

[Red Iron Crown]

Seeing as how the Chinese government has no respect for intellectual property and look at patents like cookbooks, I think that such a relation will probably be taken advantage of by the PRC to copy as much of our designs and tech as they can. The Chinese will be the only ones to benefit from such a "partnership".

Even if China contributes nothing technology-wise to the partnership they are able to devote tremendous fiscal resources to it, likely more than the US can justify politically. Imagine a joint space program with NASA's know-how and China's willingness to spend, we could make great strides forward.

[kmMango]

Buzz Aldrin wants Chinese involvement in a future manned Mars mission. Looking for the article link now

[KerbMav]

Even if China contributes nothing technology-wise to the partnership they are able to devote tremendous fiscal resources to it, likely more than the US can justify politically. Imagine a joint space program with NASA's know-how and China's willingness to spend, we could make great strides forward.

Imagine a whole world collaborating for the common good ... or at least for advancement in space:

UESA - United Earth Space Agency

Crews comprised/rotated according to the amount of funding as an incentive, cooperation unimpeded by political circumstances, members of the agency to be fired for violating KSP forum rules on their jobs/in public.

[kmMango]

Give this forum 2 weeks, a room full of rocket parts, and a ton of caffeinated beverages. We will either create a warp drive, or obliterate an area of 200 square kilometers.

[razark]

We will either create a warp drive, or obliterate an area of 200 square kilometers.

Why does it have to be or?

[kmMango]

Excellent point. We could go FTL, just in the wrong direction:D

[Tortoise]

The last thing we need is for our rockets to be made in china.