Stockalike RF Engine Configs v3.2.6 [01/20/19][RF v12]

Raptor831 · July 23, 2015

Oh, but why didn't I read the whole thread? Darn...

Ha! Yeah, that's why I linked it. Random post buried in a long thread that perfectly explains the question; yeah, never gonna find it! :wink: But yeah, his explanation is good. You can turn it off if you want to, but that'd be a nice MM patch.

Is it possible to increase igniter number?

Yes, it's possible. Just one line in the config to switch. But are you speaking in general for all engines? A particular one? A subset of engines?

ola · July 23, 2015

Ha! Yeah, that's why I linked it. Random post buried in a long thread that perfectly explains the question; yeah, never gonna find it! But yeah, his explanation is good. You can turn it off if you want to, but that'd be a nice MM patch.

I have a save game which I've put >100 hrs in, all of a sudden all those probes headed everywhere and anywhere need ullage. Maybe I -should- consider turning it off...

Tellion · July 23, 2015

I have a save game which I've put >100 hrs in, all of a sudden all those probes headed everywhere and anywhere need ullage. Maybe I -should- consider turning it off...

If you have torque, you might be able to fire the engines without "settling" the propellant in the tank, at least I got that impression when I played a little with it today.

On another note, does the lv-909 not have fx in space for anyone else? The poodle seems to have smoke without it being active as well ._.

Edited July 23, 2015 by Tellion

Raptor831 · July 23, 2015

I have a save game which I've put >100 hrs in, all of a sudden all those probes headed everywhere and anywhere need ullage. Maybe I -should- consider turning it off...

I think already-launched/saved vessels will keep their old settings, which would mean no ullage on previous engines. PLEASE MAKE A BACKUP THOUGH! I'm not sure of that, so don't bank on your save being ok. But if you test that, let us know.

If you have torque, you might be able to fire the engines without "settling" the propellant in the tank, at least I got that impression when I played a little with it today.
On another note, does the lv-909 not have fx in space for anyone else? The poodle seems to have smoke without it being active as well ._.

Effects shouldn't get messed up by Stockalike. I only change ModuleEngines* to ModuleEnginesRF. You wouldn't happen to be running RealPlume or HotRockets, would you?

Tellion · July 23, 2015

Effects shouldn't get messed up by Stockalike. I only change ModuleEngines* to ModuleEnginesRF. You wouldn't happen to be running RealPlume or HotRockets, would you?

The latter, but I am certain that the described issues did not occur before the latest update to RFStockalike. It is possible that hotrockets is sad about switching the module names though...

ebigunso · July 23, 2015

The latter, but I am certain that the described issues did not occur before the latest update to RFStockalike. It is possible that hotrockets is sad about switching the module names though...

Hmm, I'm having the same sort of issue, with missing effects and sound for certain engines. I don't have either RealPlume or HotRockets though.

Just that it was my first run on 1.0.4 the problem arose so I wasn't really sure of the cause. Just putting this out there so somebody can figure out what's going on.

Raptor831 · July 23, 2015

HotRockets always screwed with this stuff because it doesn't use * operators in the MM configs. Ex:


@PART[*]
{
  @MODULE[ModuleEngines] {
...

instead of something like:


@PART[*]
{
  @MODULE[ModuleEngine*] {
...

IIRC, it nukes the effects and applies its own. But if you've already made the Engine module something new, it won't apply the new EFFECTS node to the actual engine (because it couldn't find the right MODULE). I've not used HotRockets personally for a while (for various reasons) so I can't say what it was before this last update.

@Tellion: If you can, post the single part node from your ModuleManager.ConfigCache file. We'll see what got applied and such. Really curious on this one because, as I mentioned, Stockalike doesn't touch/add/remove any effects at all...

With all this talk about effects, everyone should check out Real Plume - Stock Configs (link here). Svm420 was working on some plumes for Stockalike specifically, but the stock configs will work with Stockalike all the same. Always nice to have options anyway. :wink:

Citizen247 · July 24, 2015

The latter, but I am certain that the described issues did not occur before the latest update to RFStockalike. It is possible that hotrockets is sad about switching the module names though...

I'm getting the same problem, some engines just have no effects with and without smokescreen/hotrockets/realplume.

ETA:

None of the AIES engines seems to produce effects for me.

Edited July 24, 2015 by Citizen247

Tellion · July 24, 2015

@Tellion: If you can, post the single part node from your ModuleManager.ConfigCache file. We'll see what got applied and such. Really curious on this one because, as I mentioned, Stockalike doesn't touch/add/remove any effects at all...
With all this talk about effects, everyone should check out Real Plume - Stock Configs (link here). Svm420 was working on some plumes for Stockalike specifically, but the stock configs will work with Stockalike all the same. Always nice to have options anyway.

Sure thing:

UrlConfig{
name = liquidEngine3
type = PART
parentUrl = Squad/Parts/Engine/liquidEngineLV-909/liquidEngineLV-909
url = Squad/Parts/Engine/liquidEngineLV-909/liquidEngineLV-909/liquidEngine3
PART
{
name = liquidEngine3
module = Part
author = Ven
scale = 0.01
node_stack_top = 0.0, 21.6498, 0.0, 0.0, 1.0, 0.0, 1
node_stack_bottom = 0.0, -37.8251, 0.0, 0.0, -1.0, 0.0, 1
fx_exhaustFlame_blue_small = 0.0, -21.0, 0.0, 0.0, 1.0, 0.0, running
fx_exhaustLight_blue = 0.0, -21.0, 0.0, 0.0, 0.0, 1.0, running
fx_smokeTrail_light = 0.0, -21.0, 0.0, 0.0, 1.0, 0.0, running
sound_vent_medium = engage
sound_rocket_hard = running
sound_vent_soft = disengage
sound_explosion_low = flameout
TechRequired = advRocketry
cost = 146
category = Engine
subcategory = 0
title = LV-909 "Terrier" Liquid Fuel Engine
manufacturer = Jebediah Kerman's Junkyard and Spacecraft Parts Co
description = The 909 model was initially received with some skepticism by spacecraft engineers, as it defied the long-standing convention that "More Power!" is always better. Despite this, the 909 series has found its place in the spacecraft construction world, being particularly useful as a final stage and landing engine.
attachRules = 1,0,1,0,0
mass = 0.2
skinInternalConductionMult = 4.0
emissiveConstant = 0.8
dragModelType = default
maximum_drag = 0.2
minimum_drag = 0.2
angularDrag = 2
crashTolerance = 7
maxTemp = 1450
bulkheadProfiles = size1
entryCost = 730
MODULE
{
name = ModuleEnginesRF
thrustVectorTransformName = thrustTransform
exhaustDamage = True
ignitionThreshold = 0.1
minThrust = 0
maxThrust = 50
heatProduction = 88
EngineType = LiquidFuel
spoolEffectName = powersmoke
powerEffectName = powerflame
atmosphereCurve
{
key = 0 298
key = 1 106
key = 3 0.001
}
PROPELLANT
{
name = Aerozine50
ratio = 50.173010
DrawGauge = True
ResourceFlowMode = STACK_PRIORITY_SEARCH
}
PROPELLANT
{
name = NTO
ratio = 49.826990
ResourceFlowMode = STACK_PRIORITY_SEARCH
}
}
MODULE
{
name = ModuleGimbal
gimbalTransformName = Obj_Gimbal
gimbalRange = 6
useGimbalResponseSpeed = true
gimbalResponseSpeed = 15
}
MODULE
{
name = ModuleAnimateHeat
ThermalAnim = HeatAnimatioEmissiveLiquidEngine3
}
MODULE
{
name = ModuleJettison
jettisonName = fairing
bottomNodeName = bottom
isFairing = True
jettisonedObjectMass = 0.1
jettisonForce = 5
jettisonDirection = 0 0 1
}
MODULE
{
name = ModuleTestSubject
environments = 15
useStaging = True
useEvent = False
}
MODULE
{
name = ModuleSurfaceFX
thrustProviderModuleIndex = 0
fxMax = 0.3
maxDistance = 30
falloff = 1.7
thrustTransformName = thrustTransform
}
MODULE
{
name = BBModule
}
MODULE
{
name = CollisionFX
scrapeSparks = true
collisionSound = CollisionFX/Sounds/Bang1
scrapeSound = CollisionFX/Sounds/GroundSkid
sparkSound = CollisionFX/Sounds/SparkSqueal
}
MODULE
{
name = ModuleAGX
}
MODULE
{
name = MGFix
plusEnabled = True
}
MODULE
{
name = ThermalMonitor
}
MODULE
{
name = TweakScale
type = stack
defaultScale = 1.25
TWEAKSCALEEXPONENTS
{
mass = 2.5
}
}
MODULE
{
name = USI_ModuleRecycleablePart
Menu = Scrap Part
ResourceName = Recyclables
Efficiency = .8
}
MODULE
{
name = USI_ModuleRecycleablePart
Menu = Salvage Part
ResourceName = SpecializedParts
Efficiency = .4
}
MODEL
{
model = VenStockRevamp/Squad/Parts/Propulsion/LV909B
}
MODULE
{
name = FXModuleLookAtConstraint
CONSTRAINLOOKFX
{
targetName = Piston1
rotatorsName = PistonBase1
}
CONSTRAINLOOKFX
{
targetName = PistonBase1
rotatorsName = Piston1
}
CONSTRAINLOOKFX
{
targetName = Piston2
rotatorsName = PistonBase2
}
CONSTRAINLOOKFX
{
targetName = PistonBase2
rotatorsName = Piston2
}
CONSTRAINLOOKFX
{
targetName = Piston3
rotatorsName = PistonBase3
}
CONSTRAINLOOKFX
{
targetName = PistonBase3
rotatorsName = Piston3
}
CONSTRAINLOOKFX
{
targetName = Piston4
rotatorsName = PistonBase4
}
CONSTRAINLOOKFX
{
targetName = PistonBase4
rotatorsName = Piston4
}
}
MODULE
{
name = tjs_EngineLight
isDebug = true
lightPower = 1.0
lightRange = 40.0
maxLightPower = 23.0
lightRed = 1
lightGreen = 0.88
lightBlue = 0.68
jitterMultiplier = 10.5
multiplierOnIva = 0.5
}
MODULE
{
name = GeometryPartModule
}
MODULE
{
name = FARAeroPartModule
}
MODULE
{
name = FARPartModule
}
EFFECTS
{
powerflame
{
MODEL_MULTI_PARTICLE_PERSIST
{
name = flamethrust
modelName = MP_Nazari/FX/flamestandard
transformName = thrustTransform
emission = 0.0 0.0
emission = 0.05 0.99
emission = 0.75 1.21
emission = 1.0 1.25
speed = 0.0 1.70
speed = 1.0 1.65
energy = 0.0 0.33
energy = 1.0 0.99
fixedEmissions = false
logGrow
{
density = 0 8
density = 1 0.7
density = 10 0
}
}
AUDIO
{
channel = Ship
clip = sound_rocket_hard
volume = 0.0 0.0
volume = 1.0 1.0
pitch = 0.0 0.2
pitch = 1.0 1.0
loop = true
}
}
powersmoke
{
MODEL_MULTI_PARTICLE_PERSIST
{
name = smokethrust
modelName = MP_Nazari/FX/smokejet
transformName = thrustTransform
emission = 0.0 0.0
emission = 0.07 0.0
emission = 0.2 0.4
emission = 1.0 1.1
energy = 0.0 0.2
energy = 1.0 3.2
speed = 0.0 1.0
speed = 1.0 0.8
grow = 0.0 0.0
grow = 1.0 0.15
scale = 0.0 1.0
scale = 1.0 1.0
offset = 0.0 0.0
offset = 1.0 0.5
size = 0.0 1.0
size = 1.0 1.1
renderMode = "Billboard"
collide = false
collideRatio = 0
fixedScale = 1.0
sizeClamp = 50
angle = 0.0 1.0
angle = 45.0 1.0
angle = 50.0 1.0
distance = 0.0 1.0
distance = 100.0 1.0
distance = 110.0 1.0
emission
{
mach = 0.0 1.0
mach = 0.8 1.0
mach = 1.0 1.0
density = 1.0 1.0
density = 0.4 1.0
density = 0.3 1.0
density = 0.002 1.0
density = 0.001 0.0
}
logGrow
{
density = 0 8
density = 1 0.7
density = 10 0
}
}
MODEL_MULTI_PARTICLE_PERSIST
{
name = smokelaunch
modelName = MP_Nazari/FX/smokelaunch
transformName = thrustTransform
emission = 0.0 0.0
emission = 0.05 0.0
emission = 0.2 0.5
emission = 1.0 1.8
energy = 0.0 0.2
energy = 1.0 1.1
speed = 0.0 0.1
speed = 1.0 0.15
grow = 0.0 0.0
grow = 1.0 0.75
size = 0.0 1.0
size = 1.0 1.5
renderMode = "Billboard"
collide = true
collideRatio = 0.12
fixedScale = 1.0
sizeClamp = 50
angle = 0.0 1.0
angle = 45.0 1.0
angle = 50.0 1.0
distance = 0.0 1.0
distance = 100.0 1.0
distance = 550.0 0.0
initialDensity = 2.25
physical = true
stickiness = 0.8
dragCoefficient = 1
logarithmicGrowth = 2.75
fixedEmissions = true
randomInitalVelocityOffsetMaxRadius = 15.5
emission
{
mach = 0.0 1.25
mach = 0.05 0.0
mach = 1.0 0.0
}
logGrow
{
power = 0 0
power = 1 2
density = 0 8
density = 1 0.7
density = 10 0
}
Grow
{
power = 0 0
power = 1 2
}
}
}
engage
{
AUDIO
{
channel = Ship
clip = sound_vent_medium
volume = 1.0
pitch = 2.0
loop = false
}
}
disengage
{
AUDIO
{
channel = Ship
clip = sound_vent_soft
volume = 1.0
pitch = 2.0
loop = false
}
}
flameout
{
AUDIO
{
channel = Ship
clip = sound_explosion_low
volume = 1.0
pitch = 2.0
loop = false
}
}
}
MODULE
{
name = KOSNameTag
}
MODULE
{
name = ModuleEngineConfigs
type = ModuleEnginesRF
techLevel = 1
origTechLevel = 1
engineType = O
origMass = 0.2
configuration = Aerozine50+NTO
modded = false
CONFIG
{
name = Aerozine50+NTO
maxThrust = 50
heatProduction = 88
IspSL = 0.9600
IspV = 0.9500
throttle = 0
PROPELLANT
{
name = Aerozine50
ratio = 50.17301038062284
DrawGauge = True
ResourceFlowMode = STACK_PRIORITY_SEARCH
}
PROPELLANT
{
name = NTO
ratio = 49.82698961937716
ResourceFlowMode = STACK_PRIORITY_SEARCH
}
ModuleEngineIgnitor
{
ignitionsAvailable = 24
useUllageSimulation = true
autoIgnitionTemperature = 800
ignitorType = Electric
IGNITOR_RESOURCE
{
name = ElectricCharge
amount = 0.5
}
}
}
CONFIG
{
name = LqdHydrogen+LqdOxygen
maxThrust = 38
heatProduction = 88
IspSL = 1.3000
IspV = 1.2700
throttle = 0
PROPELLANT
{
name = LqdHydrogen
ratio = 76.30830964721619
DrawGauge = True
ResourceFlowMode = STACK_PRIORITY_SEARCH
}
PROPELLANT
{
name = LqdOxygen
ratio = 23.69169035278381
ResourceFlowMode = STACK_PRIORITY_SEARCH
}
ModuleEngineIgnitor
{
ignitionsAvailable = 24
useUllageSimulation = true
autoIgnitionTemperature = 800
ignitorType = Electric
IGNITOR_RESOURCE
{
name = ElectricCharge
amount = 0.5
}
}
}
}
ModuleEngineIgnitor
{
ignitionsAvailable = 24
autoIgnitionTemperature = 800
useUllageSimulation = true
}
MODULE
{
name = ModuleTweakableJettison
}
MODULE
{
name = ModuleTweakableGimbal
}
MODULE
{
name = ModuleGimbalActions
}
MODULE
{
name = ModuleFuelCrossfeedActions
}
MODULE
{
name = TRReflection
colour = 0.3 0.3 0.3
interval = 2
meshes = Torus_001
}
}
}

RealPlume is definitely going to replace HotRockets asap, I just did not get around to it yet

Edited July 24, 2015 by Tellion

bwoneill · July 24, 2015

I am also having some issues with engine effects and the new configs, however, I'm not using HotRocket or anything else that should replace engine effects. In addition, KER Flight Engineer no longer registers any thrust from engines.

Engines tested: LV-T45, LV-909, LV-1

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From ModualManager.ConfigCache:

UrlConfig
{
	name = liquidEngine2
	type = PART
	parentUrl = Squad/Parts/Engine/liquidEngineLV-T45/liquidEngineLV-T45
	url = Squad/Parts/Engine/liquidEngineLV-T45/liquidEngineLV-T45/liquidEngine2
	PART
	{
		name = liquidEngine2
		module = Part
		author = NovaSilisko
		mesh = model.mu
		scale = 0.1
		node_stack_top = 0.0, 7.21461, 0.0, 0.0, 1.0, 0.0
		node_stack_bottom = 0.0, -5.74338, 0.0, 0.0, -1.0, 0.0
		fx_exhaustFlame_blue = 0.0, -5.74338, 0.0, 0.0, 1.0, 0.0, running
		fx_exhaustLight_blue = 0.0, -5.74338, 0.0, 0.0, 0.0, 1.0, running
		fx_smokeTrail_light = 0.0, -5.74338, 0.0, 0.0, 1.0, 0.0, running
		fx_exhaustSparks_flameout = 0.0, -5.74338, 0.0, 0.0, 1.0, 0.0, flameout
		sound_vent_medium = engage
		sound_rocket_hard = running
		sound_vent_soft = disengage
		sound_explosion_low = flameout
		TechRequired = generalRocketry
		cost = 445
		category = Engine
		subcategory = 0
		title = LV-T45 "Swivel" Liquid Fuel Engine
		manufacturer = Jebediah Kerman's Junkyard and Spacecraft Parts Co
		description = The LV-T45 engine was considered a breakthrough in the LV-T series due to its Thrust Vectoring feature. The LV-T45 can deflect its thrust to aid in craft control. All these added mechanics however, make for a slightly smaller and heavier engine in comparison with other LV-T models.
		attachRules = 1,0,1,0,0
		mass = 0.42
		skinInternalConductionMult = 4.0
		emissiveConstant = 0.8
		dragModelType = default
		maximum_drag = 0.2
		minimum_drag = 0.2
		angularDrag = 2
		crashTolerance = 7
		maxTemp = 1797
		bulkheadProfiles = size1
		entryCost = 2225
		MODULE
		{
			name = ModuleEnginesRF
			thrustVectorTransformName = thrustTransform
			exhaustDamage = True
			ignitionThreshold = 0.1
			minThrust = 0
			maxThrust = 190
			heatProduction = 145
			fxOffset = 0, 0, 0.574338
			EngineType = LiquidFuel
			atmosphereCurve
			{
				key = 0 283
				key = 1 233
				key = 6 0.001
			}
			PROPELLANT
			{
				name = Ethanol75
				ratio = 52.660728
				DrawGauge = True
				ResourceFlowMode = STACK_PRIORITY_SEARCH
			}
			PROPELLANT
			{
				name = LqdOxygen
				ratio = 47.339272
				ResourceFlowMode = STACK_PRIORITY_SEARCH
			}
		}
		MODULE
		{
			name = ModuleJettison
			jettisonName = fairing
			bottomNodeName = bottom
			isFairing = True
			jettisonedObjectMass = 0.1
			jettisonForce = 5
			jettisonDirection = 0 0 1
		}
		MODULE
		{
			name = ModuleGimbal
			gimbalTransformName = thrustTransform
			gimbalRange = 3
		}
		MODULE
		{
			name = ModuleAnimateHeat
			ThermalAnim = HeatEmissiveAnimation
		}
		MODULE
		{
			name = ModuleAlternator
			RESOURCE
			{
				name = ElectricCharge
				rate = 6.0
			}
		}
		MODULE
		{
			name = ModuleSurfaceFX
			thrustProviderModuleIndex = 0
			fxMax = 0.5
			maxDistance = 30
			falloff = 1.7
			thrustTransformName = thrustTransform
		}
		RESOURCE
		{
			name = ElectricCharge
			amount = 0
			maxAmount = 0
			isTweakable = false
			hideFlow = true
		}
		MODULE
		{
			name = ModuleTestSubject
			environments = 15
			useStaging = True
			useEvent = False
		}
		MODULE
		{
			name = CollisionFX
			scrapeSparks = true
			collisionSound = CollisionFX/Sounds/Bang1
			scrapeSound = CollisionFX/Sounds/GroundSkid
			sparkSound = CollisionFX/Sounds/SparkSqueal
		}
		MODULE
		{
			name = ModuleAlternatorReliability
			MTBF = 4380
			LifeTime = 10
			RepairCost = 1
			RepairBonus = 1
			MaintenanceCost = 1
			MaintenanceBonus = 1
			InspectionBonus = 300
			Silent = false
			Priority = MEDIUM
			PerksRequirementName = Engineer
			PerksRequirementValue = 1
		}
		MODULE
		{
			name = ModuleCoolantReliabilityCore
			MTBF = 8760
			LifeTime = 1
			RepairCost = 10
			RepairBonus = 0.1
			MaintenanceCost = 2
			MaintenanceBonus = 0.3
			InspectionBonus = 120
			Silent = false
			Priority = MEDIUM
			PerksRequirementName = Engineer
			PerksRequirementValue = 2
		}
		MODULE
		{
			name = ModuleEngineReliability
			MTBF = 8760
			LifeTime = 1
			RepairCost = 10
			RepairBonus = 0.1
			MaintenanceCost = 2
			MaintenanceBonus = 0.3
			InspectionBonus = 120
			Silent = false
			Priority = HIGH
			PerksRequirementName = Engineer
			PerksRequirementValue = 3
		}
		MODULE
		{
			name = ModuleGimbalReliability
			MTBF = 4380
			LifeTime = 2
			RepairCost = 2
			RepairBonus = 0.1
			MaintenanceCost = 1
			MaintenanceBonus = 0.3
			InspectionBonus = 120
			Silent = false
			Priority = MEDIUM
			PerksRequirementName = Engineer
			PerksRequirementValue = 2
		}
		MODULE
		{
			name = ModuleReliabilityInfo
		}
		MODULE
		{
			name = InspectionModule
		}
		MODULE
		{
			name = ModuleTankReliability
			MTBF = 350400
			LifeTime = 131400
			RepairCost = 1
			RepairBonus = 0.1
			MaintenanceCost = 1
			MaintenanceBonus = 0.3
			InspectionBonus = 7200
			MinTC = 90
			MaxTC = 360
			Silent = false
			Priority = HIGH
			PerksRequirementName = Engineer
			PerksRequirementValue = 1
		}
		MODULE
		{
			name = KOSNameTag
		}
		MODULE
		{
			name = ModuleEngineConfigs
			type = ModuleEnginesRF
			techLevel = 2
			origTechLevel = 2
			engineType = L+
			origMass = 0.42
			configuration = Ethanol75+LqdOxygen
			modded = false
			CONFIG
			{
				name = Ethanol75+LqdOxygen
				maxThrust = 190
				heatProduction = 145
				IspSL = 0.9300
				IspV = 0.9300
				throttle = 0
				PROPELLANT
				{
					name = Ethanol75
					ratio = 52.66072829648775
					DrawGauge = True
					ResourceFlowMode = STACK_PRIORITY_SEARCH
				}
				PROPELLANT
				{
					name = LqdOxygen
					ratio = 47.33927170351225
					ResourceFlowMode = STACK_PRIORITY_SEARCH
				}
				ModuleEngineIgnitor
				{
					ignitionsAvailable = 1
					useUllageSimulation = true
					autoIgnitionTemperature = 800
					ignitorType = Electric
					IGNITOR_RESOURCE
					{
						name = ElectricCharge
						amount = 2
					}
				}
			}
			CONFIG
			{
				name = Aerozine50+NTO
				maxThrust = 200
				heatProduction = 145
				IspSL = 0.9600
				IspV = 0.9500
				throttle = 0
				PROPELLANT
				{
					name = Aerozine50
					ratio = 50.17301038062284
					DrawGauge = True
					ResourceFlowMode = STACK_PRIORITY_SEARCH
				}
				PROPELLANT
				{
					name = NTO
					ratio = 49.82698961937716
					ResourceFlowMode = STACK_PRIORITY_SEARCH
				}
				ModuleEngineIgnitor
				{
					ignitionsAvailable = 2
					useUllageSimulation = true
					autoIgnitionTemperature = 800
					ignitorType = Electric
					IGNITOR_RESOURCE
					{
						name = ElectricCharge
						amount = 2
					}
				}
			}
			CONFIG
			{
				name = Kerosene+LqdOxygen
				maxThrust = 200
				heatProduction = 145
				IspSL = 1.0000
				IspV = 1.0000
				throttle = 0
				PROPELLANT
				{
					name = Kerosene
					ratio = 37.69408655434424
					DrawGauge = True
					ResourceFlowMode = STACK_PRIORITY_SEARCH
				}
				PROPELLANT
				{
					name = LqdOxygen
					ratio = 62.30591344565576
					ResourceFlowMode = STACK_PRIORITY_SEARCH
				}
				ModuleEngineIgnitor
				{
					ignitionsAvailable = 1
					useUllageSimulation = true
					autoIgnitionTemperature = 800
					ignitorType = Electric
					IGNITOR_RESOURCE
					{
						name = ElectricCharge
						amount = 2
					}
				}
			}
		}
		ModuleEngineIgnitor
		{
			ignitionsAvailable = 1
			autoIgnitionTemperature = 800
			useUllageSimulation = true
		}
	}
}

CKAN list of mods:

{
	"kind": "metapackage",
	"abstract": "A list of modules installed on the default KSP instance",
	"name": "installed-default",
	"license": "unknown",
	"version": "2015.07.24.12.16.54",
	"identifier": "installed-default",
	"spec_version": "v1.6",
	"depends": [
		{
			"name": "KerbalAlarmClock",
			"version": "v3.4.0.0"
		},
		{
			"name": "KerbalEngineerRedux",
			"version": "1.0.18.0"
		},
		{
			"name": "RealFuels",
			"version": "rf-v10.4.9"
		},
		{
			"name": "ModuleManager",
			"version": "2.6.6"
		},
		{
			"name": "kOS",
			"version": "0.17.3"
		},
		{
			"name": "CrowdSourcedScience",
			"version": "v3.0"
		},
		{
			"name": "Graphotron",
			"version": "0.3.0"
		},
		{
			"name": "CollisionFX",
			"version": "3.2"
		},
		{
			"name": "HyperEdit",
			"version": "1.4.1"
		},
		{
			"name": "StarTrekTOSSpaceSuits",
			"version": "1.2"
		},
		{
			"name": "StockClamshellFairings",
			"version": "1.0"
		},
		{
			"name": "TextureReplacer",
			"version": "2.4.7"
		},
		{
			"name": "AsteroidDay",
			"version": "1.0"
		},
		{
			"name": "ContractConfigurator-ContractPack-SCANsat",
			"version": "v0.5.2.1"
		},
		{
			"name": "ContractConfigurator-RemoteTech",
			"version": "2.0.0"
		},
		{
			"name": "DangIt",
			"version": "0.6.1"
		},
		{
			"name": "KAS",
			"version": "0.5.3"
		},
		{
			"name": "KeepFit",
			"version": "0.7.3.3"
		},
		{
			"name": "KerbalConstructionTime",
			"version": "1.1.8.0"
		},
		{
			"name": "KIS",
			"version": "1.2.0"
		},
		{
			"name": "SCANsat",
			"version": "v14.1"
		},
		{
			"name": "RemoteTech",
			"version": "v1.6.7"
		},
		{
			"name": "RFStockalike",
			"version": "v2.1.8"
		},
		{
			"name": "ContractConfigurator",
			"version": "1.5.4"
		},
		{
			"name": "TACLS",
			"version": "v0.11.1.20"
		},
		{
			"name": "StageRecovery",
			"version": "1.5.7"
		},
		{
			"name": "CrossFeedEnabler",
			"version": "v3.3"
		},
		{
			"name": "ScienceAlert",
			"version": "1.8.9"
		},
		{
			"name": "KSP-AVC",
			"version": "1.1.5.0"
		},
		{
			"name": "RasterPropMonitor",
			"version": "v0.21.2"
		},
		{
			"name": "RasterPropMonitor-Core",
			"version": "v0.21.2"
		},
		{
			"name": "ModuleAnimateEmissive",
			"version": "v1.8"
		},
		{
			"name": "Trajectories",
			"version": "v1.4.3"
		},
		{
			"name": "ModuleRCSFX",
			"version": "v4.1"
		},
		{
			"name": "TACLS-Config-Stock",
			"version": "v0.11.1.20"
		},
		{
			"name": "CommunityResourcePack",
			"version": "0.4.3"
		},
		{
			"name": "Toolbar",
			"version": "1.7.9"
		},
		{
			"name": "SolverEngines",
			"version": "v1.8"
		},
		{
			"name": "PorkjetHabitats",
			"version": "0.41"
		},
		{
			"name": "FirespitterCore",
			"version": "v7.1.4"
		},
		{
			"name": "LayeredAnimations",
			"version": "1.1"
		},
		{
			"name": "VesselView",
			"version": "v0.71"
		}
	]
}

westamastaflash · July 24, 2015

I'm also having trouble. KW maverick works fine, but LV-T45 (ven's stock revamp) doesn't show any effects.

NathanKell · July 24, 2015

Raptor831: ullage is a kspfield loaded from the part config, so yeah it will apply to stuff in flight...however, you can turn ullage (and limited ignitions) off in RealSettings.cfg.

Raptor831 · July 24, 2015

Raptor831: ullage is a kspfield loaded from the part config, so yeah it will apply to stuff in flight...however, you can turn ullage (and limited ignitions) off in RealSettings.cfg.

Well, good to know.

And I can confirm on my setup the missing effects. :confused: Have no idea why that is doing that. Can anyone confirm this on a Stock install with only RF (plus dependancies) and Stockalike? It's late here, so I won't be able to test until tomorrow evening or this weekend.

And for now, I'd not install Real Plume - Stock. It changes the engine Module to ModuleEngineFX and runs after Stockalike. So, Stockalike changes the default to ModuleEnginesRF, and then Real Plume - Stock changes some back to ModuleEngineFX. Guessing we'll have to wait for Svm420 to finish his/her configs.

Svm420 · July 24, 2015

Svm420 to finish his configs.

Here they are. Not perfectly tuned, but very playable. Feel free to redistribute them with credit in the RFStockaliike DL, and please any users if you improve any engine flare/plume placement please pass it on. This was only 1st pass on placement,and I got better as I got further in. It may have some configs for engines I have added not currently included in RFStockalike, but will cause no issues. I plan to keep updating, but will do it as I use engines instead of several hours each night for a week :confused: . Enjoy

Edited July 24, 2015 by Svm420

bwoneill · July 24, 2015

Well, good to know.
And I can confirm on my setup the missing effects. Have no idea why that is doing that. Can anyone confirm this on a Stock install with only RF (plus dependancies) and Stockalike? It's late here, so I won't be able to test until tomorrow evening or this weekend.
And for now, I'd not install Real Plume - Stock. It changes the engine Module to ModuleEngineFX and runs after Stockalike. So, Stockalike changes the default to ModuleEnginesRF, and then Real Plume - Stock changes some back to ModuleEngineFX. Guessing we'll have to wait for Svm420 to finish his/her configs.

I can confirm that effects don't work on a stock install + minimal Stockalike RF Configs v2.1.8 (from CKAN) while they do work with v2.1.7.

{
name = liquidEngine2
type = PART
parentUrl = Squad/Parts/Engine/liquidEngineLV-T45/liquidEngineLV-T45
url = Squad/Parts/Engine/liquidEngineLV-T45/liquidEngineLV-T45/liquidEngine2
PART
{
name = liquidEngine2
module = Part
author = NovaSilisko
mesh = model.mu
scale = 0.1
node_stack_top = 0.0, 7.21461, 0.0, 0.0, 1.0, 0.0
node_stack_bottom = 0.0, -5.74338, 0.0, 0.0, -1.0, 0.0
fx_exhaustFlame_blue = 0.0, -5.74338, 0.0, 0.0, 1.0, 0.0, running
fx_exhaustLight_blue = 0.0, -5.74338, 0.0, 0.0, 0.0, 1.0, running
fx_smokeTrail_light = 0.0, -5.74338, 0.0, 0.0, 1.0, 0.0, running
fx_exhaustSparks_flameout = 0.0, -5.74338, 0.0, 0.0, 1.0, 0.0, flameout
sound_vent_medium = engage
sound_rocket_hard = running
sound_vent_soft = disengage
sound_explosion_low = flameout
TechRequired = generalRocketry
cost = 445
category = Engine
subcategory = 0
title = LV-T45 "Swivel" Liquid Fuel Engine
manufacturer = Jebediah Kerman's Junkyard and Spacecraft Parts Co
description = The LV-T45 engine was considered a breakthrough in the LV-T series due to its Thrust Vectoring feature. The LV-T45 can deflect its thrust to aid in craft control. All these added mechanics however, make for a slightly smaller and heavier engine in comparison with other LV-T models.
attachRules = 1,0,1,0,0
mass = 0.42
skinInternalConductionMult = 4.0
emissiveConstant = 0.8
dragModelType = default
maximum_drag = 0.2
minimum_drag = 0.2
angularDrag = 2
crashTolerance = 7
maxTemp = 1797
bulkheadProfiles = size1
entryCost = 2225
MODULE
{
name = ModuleEnginesRF
thrustVectorTransformName = thrustTransform
exhaustDamage = True
ignitionThreshold = 0.1
minThrust = 0
maxThrust = 190
heatProduction = 145
fxOffset = 0, 0, 0.574338
EngineType = LiquidFuel
atmosphereCurve
{
key = 0 283
key = 1 233
key = 6 0.001
}
PROPELLANT
{
name = Ethanol75
ratio = 52.660728
DrawGauge = True
ResourceFlowMode = STACK_PRIORITY_SEARCH
}
PROPELLANT
{
name = LqdOxygen
ratio = 47.339272
ResourceFlowMode = STACK_PRIORITY_SEARCH
}
}
MODULE
{
name = ModuleJettison
jettisonName = fairing
bottomNodeName = bottom
isFairing = True
jettisonedObjectMass = 0.1
jettisonForce = 5
jettisonDirection = 0 0 1
}
MODULE
{
name = ModuleGimbal
gimbalTransformName = thrustTransform
gimbalRange = 3
}
MODULE
{
name = ModuleAnimateHeat
ThermalAnim = HeatEmissiveAnimation
}
MODULE
{
name = ModuleAlternator
RESOURCE
{
name = ElectricCharge
rate = 6.0
}
}
MODULE
{
name = ModuleSurfaceFX
thrustProviderModuleIndex = 0
fxMax = 0.5
maxDistance = 30
falloff = 1.7
thrustTransformName = thrustTransform
}
RESOURCE
{
name = ElectricCharge
amount = 0
maxAmount = 0
isTweakable = false
hideFlow = true
}
MODULE
{
name = ModuleTestSubject
environments = 15
useStaging = True
useEvent = False
}
MODULE
{
name = ModuleEngineConfigs
type = ModuleEnginesRF
techLevel = 2
origTechLevel = 2
engineType = L+
origMass = 0.42
configuration = Ethanol75+LqdOxygen
modded = false
CONFIG
{
name = Ethanol75+LqdOxygen
maxThrust = 190
heatProduction = 145
IspSL = 0.9300
IspV = 0.9300
throttle = 0
PROPELLANT
{
name = Ethanol75
ratio = 52.66072829648775
DrawGauge = True
ResourceFlowMode = STACK_PRIORITY_SEARCH
}
PROPELLANT
{
name = LqdOxygen
ratio = 47.33927170351225
ResourceFlowMode = STACK_PRIORITY_SEARCH
}
ModuleEngineIgnitor
{
ignitionsAvailable = 1
useUllageSimulation = true
autoIgnitionTemperature = 800
ignitorType = Electric
IGNITOR_RESOURCE
{
name = ElectricCharge
amount = 2
}
}
}
CONFIG
{
name = Aerozine50+NTO
maxThrust = 200
heatProduction = 145
IspSL = 0.9600
IspV = 0.9500
throttle = 0
PROPELLANT
{
name = Aerozine50
ratio = 50.17301038062284
DrawGauge = True
ResourceFlowMode = STACK_PRIORITY_SEARCH
}
PROPELLANT
{
name = NTO
ratio = 49.82698961937716
ResourceFlowMode = STACK_PRIORITY_SEARCH
}
ModuleEngineIgnitor
{
ignitionsAvailable = 2
useUllageSimulation = true
autoIgnitionTemperature = 800
ignitorType = Electric
IGNITOR_RESOURCE
{
name = ElectricCharge
amount = 2
}
}
}
CONFIG
{
name = Kerosene+LqdOxygen
maxThrust = 200
heatProduction = 145
IspSL = 1.0000
IspV = 1.0000
throttle = 0
PROPELLANT
{
name = Kerosene
ratio = 37.69408655434424
DrawGauge = True
ResourceFlowMode = STACK_PRIORITY_SEARCH
}
PROPELLANT
{
name = LqdOxygen
ratio = 62.30591344565576
ResourceFlowMode = STACK_PRIORITY_SEARCH
}
ModuleEngineIgnitor
{
ignitionsAvailable = 1
useUllageSimulation = true
autoIgnitionTemperature = 800
ignitorType = Electric
IGNITOR_RESOURCE
{
name = ElectricCharge
amount = 2
}
}
}
}
ModuleEngineIgnitor
{
ignitionsAvailable = 1
autoIgnitionTemperature = 800
useUllageSimulation = true
}
}
}
UrlConfig

"kind": "metapackage",
"abstract": "A list of modules installed on the default KSP instance",
"name": "installed-default",
"license": "unknown",
"version": "2015.07.24.04.35.00",
"identifier": "installed-default",
"spec_version": "v1.6",
"depends": [
{
"name": "RFStockalike",
"version": "v2.1.8"
},
{
"name": "RealFuels",
"version": "rf-v10.4.9"
},
{
"name": "ModuleManager",
"version": "2.6.6"
},
{
"name": "CommunityResourcePack",
"version": "0.4.3"
},
{
"name": "SolverEngines",
"version": "v1.8"
},
{
"name": "ModuleAnimateEmissive",
"version": "v1.8"
},
{
"name": "ModuleRCSFX",
"version": "v4.1"
}
]
}
{

ebigunso · July 24, 2015

wow, what was supposed to be a simple fix for compatibility is becoming a real mess o.O

Hope you don't get too overwhelmed.

Starwaster · July 24, 2015

wow, what was supposed to be a simple fix for compatibility is becoming a real mess o.O
Hope you don't get too overwhelmed.

WARNING! Cascade failure!

Total systems collapse in 3...2...1...bzzzzt!!!

Raptor831 · July 24, 2015

Thankfully, I work with code as my day job (web developer), so I'm used to the "Total systems collapse..." portion of the job. What's frustrating is having no idea where to start fixing. It's obviously not a mod conflict, and obviously something to do with my configs. But it's a non-obvious change. I can't imagine ModuleEnginesRF would cause any issues like this (since I'm assuming NathanKell didn't find missing effects in testing). So, I'm down to guessing what the $%^& is wrong!

So, if anyone could take one of the stock engines (LV-909 or the LV-T45, preferrably) and start knocking out portions of the config. Say, remove the ModuleEngineIngitor sections and try again. Or remove the ModuleEngineConfigs and just see if the defaults work.

I haven't found any obvious errors in the logs either, but if anyone finds something in theirs let me know. I'll be testing myself this weekend, so hopefully we can get this one fixed soon.

bwoneill · July 24, 2015

I've done a little experimenting and it seems that replacing all instances of ModuleEnginesRF in Stockalike_Sqaud.cfg with ModuleEngines restores the engine effects.

Edited July 25, 2015 by bwoneill

Raptor831 · July 25, 2015

Ok, it seems in my testing that ModuleEnginesRF is the issue. Or, rather, that getting rid of ModuleEngine on older engines is the issue. Any engine that was previously a ModuleEngineFX engine (say KW Rocketry or Cryo Engines) works fine, but anything that was originally a ModuleEngine engine breaks entirely. And, sadly, I don't have a solution.

The odd thing is that even with Real Plume configs, they still don't work. :huh: So even if you've configured new plumes for engines, they just don't work. I'm going to test a few more things to try and find what exactly broke the configs. Thanks bwoneill for the info, as well, and thanks everyone else for the reports. It's been very helpful!

allenby · July 25, 2015

Here's the log file + MM config for the disappearing RLA engines issue I mentioned earlier. I looked it over but wasn't able find any obvious errors pointing to this bug. Tested with RLA 12.1.

Log file

MM config

NathanKell · July 25, 2015

Sorry, not sure if you've covered this already, but ModuleEniginesRF (since it derives from ModuleEnginesFX) (a) requires an EFFECTS node with the engine effects and ( will not use at all the old fx_whatever lines. So if you're changing a ModuleEngines engine into ModukleEnginesRF, you will have to give it a proper EFFECTS node or you will get no effects.

Raptor831 · July 25, 2015

Sorry, not sure if you've covered this already, but ModuleEniginesRF (since it derives from ModuleEnginesFX) (a) requires an EFFECTS node with the engine effects and ( will not use at all the old fx_whatever lines. So if you're changing a ModuleEngines engine into ModukleEnginesRF, you will have to give it a proper EFFECTS node or you will get no effects.

Yeah, I was thinking (hoping?) that ModuleEnginesFX was derived from ModuleEngines and therefore would take the defaults from the other. In any case, I seem to be goofing up something else with this, since HotRockets and Real Plume both seem not to "fix" it when they're installed. I'll figure it out this weekend.

CatastrophicFailure · July 25, 2015

Cool, come here for a bug fix and discover this now includes a facsimile of EngineIgnitors. :cool:Excellent:cool:

So, as it stands right now, just adding RealPlumes effectively undoes the no-exhaust problem, yes?

ola · July 25, 2015

I think already-launched/saved vessels will keep their old settings, which would mean no ullage on previous engines. PLEASE MAKE A BACKUP THOUGH! I'm not sure of that, so don't bank on your save being ok. But if you test that, let us know.

The previously launched engines all seem to need settling and their ignitor count is reset to the engine max. The centrifugal settling technique seems to work fine, however.

Stockalike RF Engine Configs v3.2.6 [01/20/19][RF v12]

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