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[1.12.X] Tantares - Stockalike Soyuz and MIR [16.1][28.05.2024][Mars Expedition WIP]

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Niemand303

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The custom classes were not included, they are better elsewhere :)

T A N T A R E S 30

Thanks for the help on this one.

Nothing should be save breaking, but of course as always back up older versions and saves!

29/09/2015

  • Progress Revamp.
  • Vostok Upper Stage Revamp.
  • Extended Cygnus added (Curtquarquesso).
  • Quite a lot of small tweaks, mostly undocumented (I'll keep a tighter lid on this in future).

http://25.media.tumblr.com/cb1e9ff5219621051f80441ca3f57219/tumblr_mzga42fkUF1tq0ho1o1_400.gif

Some small things left out, coming soon:

  • Poisk / Pirs (Unfinished).
  • Some RCS pieces for new Cygnus (Looking into options).
  • Progress SM (Still debating this part).
  • ATV Panels (going to slightly rework texture).

Oh, just finished RO an RP-0 configs when understood now I have to redo stuff. xD

Anyway, great work! Especially as an RO player I can appreciate the sizing fixes to more RL-like scales. :)

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trooperMNG

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Woop! The big 3-0!

Tantares TweakScale Configs v1.2 is up. Grab it here, or in my signature: Tantares TweakScale Config (v1.2) Dropbox Download

Up to date on all parts released to date.

Few bugs so far with Tantares 30.

• Hamal_MonoBox_A is currently in the propulsion category. Should be in FuelTank or Utilities.

• Flag Decal no longer present on the Enhanced Cygnus PCM. I assume that it just didn't get added in the Unity re-jiggering.

• Characters bug on the names for the 0.625m SM, Control Block, and solar panels. Not sure what would cause that...

http://imgur.com/JEnqvUQ.png

http://i.imgur.com/COKUcF5.pnghttp://i.imgur.com/p22Lpwf.png

http://i.imgur.com/GBR2sxc.pnghttp://i.imgur.com/0Stbzv6.png

Station featuring updated parts:

http://i.imgur.com/6fFzcxi.png

hey curtquarquesso! Your dropbox link is a 404

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trooperMNG

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The custom classes were not included, they are better elsewhere :)

T A N T A R E S 30

Thanks for the help on this one.

Nothing should be save breaking, but of course as always back up older versions and saves!

29/09/2015

  • Progress Revamp.
  • Vostok Upper Stage Revamp.
  • Extended Cygnus added (Curtquarquesso).
  • Quite a lot of small tweaks, mostly undocumented (I'll keep a tighter lid on this in future).

http://25.media.tumblr.com/cb1e9ff5219621051f80441ca3f57219/tumblr_mzga42fkUF1tq0ho1o1_400.gif

Some small things left out, coming soon:

  • Poisk / Pirs (Unfinished).
  • Some RCS pieces for new Cygnus (Looking into options).
  • Progress SM (Still debating this part).
  • ATV Panels (going to slightly rework texture).

did you make changes to Soyuz rocket? I can't do a proper launch anymore (both manual and mechjeb)

-Soyuz on top, TFT 15-198 + Waymaker second stage, TFT 10-630 + TFT 11-765 + Seal first stage and 4 TFT 10-450 + Walrus boosters. In other words, standard Soyuz/Progress. I even tried adding some little Otter gimballing motors.

Launch, gradual gravity turn (not too vertical or too curved), and right when aero forces begin to strike the craft the boosters detach (burn-out) and I lose control of the rocket (flipped over by aero forces, as showed by aero forces overlay). This craft always worked well, maybe am I doing something wrong?

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Beale

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My God. I F***ing love you Beale.
Beale, I name you the Bringer of Kerbal Delights and Destroyer of Work-At-Home Productivity. :cool:
^^^^^

Oh my! Many thanks. :)

Few bugs so far with Tantares 30.

• Hamal_MonoBox_A is currently in the propulsion category. Should be in FuelTank or Utilities.

• Flag Decal no longer present on the Enhanced Cygnus PCM. I assume that it just didn't get added in the Unity re-jiggering.

• Characters bug on the names for the 0.625m SM, Control Block, and solar panels. Not sure what would cause that...

http://imgur.com/JEnqvUQ.png

http://i.imgur.com/COKUcF5.pnghttp://i.imgur.com/p22Lpwf.png

http://i.imgur.com/GBR2sxc.pnghttp://i.imgur.com/0Stbzv6.png

Station featuring updated parts:

http://i.imgur.com/6fFzcxi.png

Thanks for pointing out the bugs, I will fix these very shortly :)

Nice pictures! Mind if I use a few?

Can Fregat be next up? I neeed it...

Fregat has been modeled for some time now, I'm just running into design issues (when I learnt about the Fobos-Grunt drop tank and sizing in general).

43fa995494.jpg

Oh, just finished RO an RP-0 configs when understood now I have to redo stuff. xD

Anyway, great work! Especially as an RO player I can appreciate the sizing fixes to more RL-like scales. :)

Ohohoho, my poor timing :D

But, many many thanks for the work!

Love the IV, love it! :cool:

did you make changes to Soyuz rocket? I can't do a proper launch anymore (both manual and mechjeb)

-Soyuz on top, TFT 15-198 + Waymaker second stage, TFT 10-630 + TFT 11-765 + Seal first stage and 4 TFT 10-450 + Walrus boosters. In other words, standard Soyuz/Progress. I even tried adding some little Otter gimballing motors.

Launch, gradual gravity turn (not too vertical or too curved), and right when aero forces begin to strike the craft the boosters detach (burn-out) and I lose control of the rocket (flipped over by aero forces, as showed by aero forces overlay). This craft always worked well, maybe am I doing something wrong?

TantaresLV is not yet updated :)

But, yeah I will add some fins for the Soyuz next, it does not fly great.

I don't like fins entirely, but they are a necessary evil.

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kopapaka

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Love the IV, love it! :cool:

Thanks!!!

soymil-300x208.jpg

http://www.kosmonautix.cz/2015/08/sojuz-dil-1-impozantni-stroj/

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did you make changes to Soyuz rocket? I can't do a proper launch anymore (both manual and mechjeb)

-Soyuz on top, TFT 15-198 + Waymaker second stage, TFT 10-630 + TFT 11-765 + Seal first stage and 4 TFT 10-450 + Walrus boosters. In other words, standard Soyuz/Progress. I even tried adding some little Otter gimballing motors.

Launch, gradual gravity turn (not too vertical or too curved), and right when aero forces begin to strike the craft the boosters detach (burn-out) and I lose control of the rocket (flipped over by aero forces, as showed by aero forces overlay). This craft always worked well, maybe am I doing something wrong?

REUPLOAD....

Mechjeb or manual - stable!

SPUTNIK1.jpg?ver=0

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Beale

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Snazzy New Parts Guys. I'm Definitively Going To Be Using Them For... Things. Don't Know What Things, But Things None The Less.

This is getting a little silly, no?

Onto the ignore list.

mnohokrát děkuji!

Good links, I had to replicate. Fun design.

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Leszek

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Hello Baele,

Just a reminder the line in your LES cfg files should read:

stagingIcon = SOLID_BOOSTER

You have them set to

stagingIcon = SOLID_ENGINE

Which doesn't work and is a pain in the rear to work with.

Also I have copied over the decoupler B from an older version of Tantares LV as I can't live without it. I missed the post that explained why you removed it, is there an issue with the part?

And I like the new sleek look of the Soyuz Launcher. Very nice.

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Z3R0_0NL1N3

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It depends on whether you use the Mk1 Command Pod as a standard, or the Tantares Soyuz Capsule.

Assuming Mk1 Command Pod is exactly the same size as the Mercury capsule: (3.9m)/(1.9m)*1.25 ≈ 2.56m ≈ Stock Mk1-2 Pod Diameter.

Assuming Tantares "Khleb" is exactly the same size as the Soyuz capsule: (3.9m)/(2.2m)*1.25 ≈ 2.216m ≈ 2.25m

I use the Tantares "Khleb" way more than I use the Mk1 pod, so I use it as a standard for all my scaling. KSP scaling keeps me up at night. I'm actually not sure why it's such a big deal to me, it just is... I have a problem.

2.5 is really just close enough. And, given that Tantares doesn't technically have a full set of Apollo parts, it's not an issue to worry about sizing for.

- - - Updated - - -

I'm not a fan of integrated heat shields. With a separate part, the command module can be used more modular. Realism or not. It may like to look like, I will not rebuild.

http://i.imgur.com/WXX90ly.pnghttp://i.imgur.com/fRFYmNW.png

I disagree, partially. Integrated heat shields are a common thing, especially with Tantares. The Soyuz's heat shields are built in. I generally like them being integrated, howeeeeeever, if the heat shields were made a separate part, we can have it char and turn black on reentry and I'd like that. But that's too much revamping for Beale and it's not worth it. Better to just stay consistent.

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curtquarquesso

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Oh my! Many thanks. :)

Thanks for pointing out the bugs, I will fix these very shortly :)

Nice pictures! Mind if I use a few?

Fregat has been modeled for some time now, I'm just running into design issues (when I learnt about the Fobos-Grunt drop tank and sizing in general).

http://puu.sh/ktNYG/43fa995494.jpg

Not at all! That's what they're for!

Fregat/Phobos: Would you consider scaling it up to 1.25m so that you could stack a 0.625m sample return capsule on top? Plus, at 1.25m, it could be a really neat manned lander can base for small bodies like Bop that only require small amounts of ÃŽâ€V. Fregat will be about the size of the base of the Soyuz SM/Fairing base, right? For the Fregat engine, it'd be nice to have a small, MP powered engine that's very much like the the IHI thrusters on the HTV and Cygnus. hoojiwana has something almost perfect in his pack, I think it's called the Aphid, but it's a bit small, and it runs off LFO instead of MonoProp. Can't wait to see how Fregat shapes up. :)

Fuji: Huehuehue... How about making a bit of a Fuji/HTV hybrid? Both HTV and Fuji are 2.5m. Don't put too much pressure on yourself. What do you want to be doing in development? Hmm?

TrooperMG was able to point out that while I updated the Tantares TweakScale config, I neglected to update TantaresLV. Should be updated now. PLV/Antares can now be scaled up to 2.5m to make it capable of lifting the Enhanced Cygnus. Thanks trooper. :)

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Hello Beale,

the new PCM-004 "Phoenix" with the engine PSM-Y25 Deneb makes only ~340m/s when it's fully loaded. This needs rework.

Imo more Monopropellant in the PCM-004. Decrease KIS and increase TAC. Also replace WasteWater with Waste ;)

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Hello Beale,

the new PCM-004 "Phoenix" with the engine PSM-Y25 Deneb makes only ~340m/s when it's fully loaded. This needs rework.

Imo more Monopropellant in the PCM-004. Decrease KIS and increase TAC. Also replace WasteWater with Waste ;)

I wrote the initial configs for these parts, and currently, the service module is actually OP. It's ISPvac is pretty high, around 330s or so, and it currently holds more fuel than the 1.875m TKS MonoProp tank, which needs to get fixed. I'd like to bring it down to 300 units of MonoProp or so. Admittedly, I didn't spend much time working on the balance. Balance is hard, especially with this vehicle. I can't find propellant or mass specs for the Cygnus Service Module. I know that the ISP is correct though. That stat for the thruster is posted by the manufacturer, IHI. I know the mass of the PCM at around 1,800kg, but I don't know the mass of the service module, so balance is difficult. Even emailed Orbital, with no response. Might try someone else there and see if I can get some better specs to base stats off of.

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Beale

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Pretty!

Hello Baele,

Just a reminder the line in your LES cfg files should read:

stagingIcon = SOLID_BOOSTER

You have them set to

stagingIcon = SOLID_ENGINE

Which doesn't work and is a pain in the rear to work with.

Also I have copied over the decoupler B from an older version of Tantares LV as I can't live without it. I missed the post that explained why you removed it, is there an issue with the part?

And I like the new sleek look of the Soyuz Launcher. Very nice.

Good find, fixed :)

On decoupler, yes I'll add in a replacement.

The part was originally made when stock decouplers didn't work, since they work now I removed it.

Ah I've read this space hotel before :)

Nice concept! Would consider this.

I couldn't resist having a go at the Soyuz-R for myself... :)

http://i.imgur.com/T9neUkV.png?1

Very nice!

Not at all! That's what they're for!

Fregat/Phobos: Would you consider scaling it up to 1.25m so that you could stack a 0.625m sample return capsule on top? Plus, at 1.25m, it could be a really neat manned lander can base for small bodies like Bop that only require small amounts of ÃŽâ€V. Fregat will be about the size of the base of the Soyuz SM/Fairing base, right? For the Fregat engine, it'd be nice to have a small, MP powered engine that's very much like the the IHI thrusters on the HTV and Cygnus. hoojiwana has something almost perfect in his pack, I think it's called the Aphid, but it's a bit small, and it runs off LFO instead of MonoProp. Can't wait to see how Fregat shapes up. :)

Fuji: Huehuehue... How about making a bit of a Fuji/HTV hybrid? Both HTV and Fuji are 2.5m. Don't put too much pressure on yourself. What do you want to be doing in development? Hmm?

TrooperMG was able to point out that while I updated the Tantares TweakScale config, I neglected to update TantaresLV. Should be updated now. PLV/Antares can now be scaled up to 2.5m to make it capable of lifting the Enhanced Cygnus. Thanks trooper. :)

That sizing might work better I agree.. The other parts (return capsule) is something I'd like to do. (The current parts are not that much like the Fobos Grunt).

On Fuji, I think is best to just do both Fuji and HTV over hybrid. Slower process, but better results.

I touched up the Soyuz texture slightly also, before Fuji :)

No great difference, but it better matches Progress

28a141b1aa.jpg

Hello Beale,

the new PCM-004 "Phoenix" with the engine PSM-Y25 Deneb makes only ~340m/s when it's fully loaded. This needs rework.

Imo more Monopropellant in the PCM-004. Decrease KIS and increase TAC. Also replace WasteWater with Waste ;)

Hmmm, it is interesting the fact this is when fully loaded. I think the margins should be slim when carrying all that fuel.

Thoughts? :)

Hello Beale

Your Station Science configs are out of date. I made a new config I posted here once before that makes the Tantares lab work with SS. It is just a copy paste from stuff from the new SS mod but it works.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/sba22izr90swa2j/_Extra_StationScience.cfg?dl=0

Thanks! Will fix.

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Just curious, do you plan on making the IVA for the Fuji in the distant future, that's what I really want to see. :D

Not trying to pester, just curious. PS: The new Soyuz parts look amazing!!!

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