debaker02 Posted February 5, 2020 Share Posted February 5, 2020 I actually like having one of each. However, the mod will still be amazing either way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Random Annoying Guy Posted February 5, 2020 Share Posted February 5, 2020 (edited) disregard this Edited February 8, 2020 by Random Annoying Guy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beale Posted February 5, 2020 Author Share Posted February 5, 2020 (edited) 6 hours ago, Random Annoying Guy said: @Beale Maybe an optional patch? I quote your post a few pages back: Quote KSP is not IRL, if you dont, I will make a patch to make the engines like they were before I don't want to maintain two separate balance branches, the switchover to Monoprop will be permanent. Edited February 5, 2020 by Beale cannot English Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Prates Posted February 6, 2020 Share Posted February 6, 2020 All spacecraft in Tantares are in the category of craft that you use to dock and undock a lot, maybe more than once or twice per flight. Rescues, ferry kerbals to, ferry kerbals from, station manning, inter-station shuttle... So, designs that use a lot of RCS. It is actually a good simplification to have everything work on monoprop only. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
golkaidakhaana Posted February 6, 2020 Share Posted February 6, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, Daniel Prates said: All spacecraft in Tantares are in the category of craft that you use to dock and undock a lot, maybe more than once or twice per flight. Rescues, ferry kerbals to, ferry kerbals from, station manning, inter-station shuttle... So, designs that use a lot of RCS. It is actually a good simplification to have everything work on monoprop only. But having both RCS and main engines use LFO also eliminates this problem while also giving you more dv. Edited February 6, 2020 by golkaidakhaana Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beale Posted February 6, 2020 Author Share Posted February 6, 2020 3 hours ago, Daniel Prates said: All spacecraft in Tantares are in the category of craft that you use to dock and undock a lot, maybe more than once or twice per flight. Rescues, ferry kerbals to, ferry kerbals from, station manning, inter-station shuttle... So, designs that use a lot of RCS. It is actually a good simplification to have everything work on monoprop only. 1 hour ago, sslaptnhablhat said: But having both RCS and main engines use LFO also eliminates this problem while also giving you more dv. Yeah I guess there is some disambiguation to make I think whatever the fuel type, all orbital craft should use the same fuel for both main propulsion and orientation, this is mostly the case irl with soviet craft, and for KSP does: Fixes a long-standing balance issues in the mod with mismatches of Monoprop and LF/O tank types and engines From a gameplay perspective keeps things unique. Here's a good example, the main engine of the Soyuz, you can see the same tanks feeding both the RCS and engine. Sources: https://www.kosmonavtika.com/vaisseaux/soyouz/tech/kdu/kdu.html Sources: https://andegraf.com/rockets/ Sources: http://www.b14643.de/Spacerockets/Specials/KB-Isayev_KDUs/index.htm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Prates Posted February 6, 2020 Share Posted February 6, 2020 6 hours ago, sslaptnhablhat said: But having both RCS and main engines use LFO also eliminates this problem while also giving you more dv. Thinking of KSP as a whole and not just Tantares, RCS parts are firmly bogged down the realm of monopropellant. I don't use tantares in a vacuum (no pun intended, or perhaps yes) so I find it good that tantares rcs is monoprop like most stock rcs; it follows that monoprop engines fit the whole scheme better. But that is just me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Random Annoying Guy Posted February 7, 2020 Share Posted February 7, 2020 (edited) @Beale https://imgur.com/a/WTUT0Id Edited February 7, 2020 by Random Annoying Guy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
golkaidakhaana Posted February 7, 2020 Share Posted February 7, 2020 3 minutes ago, Random Annoying Guy said: @Beale https://imgur.com/a/WTUT0Id Ummm, those parts aren't even released yet... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beale Posted February 7, 2020 Author Share Posted February 7, 2020 14 minutes ago, Random Annoying Guy said: @Beale https://imgur.com/a/WTUT0Id thanks, will fix. 10 hours ago, Daniel Prates said: Thinking of KSP as a whole and not just Tantares, RCS parts are firmly bogged down the realm of monopropellant. I don't use tantares in a vacuum (no pun intended, or perhaps yes) so I find it good that tantares rcs is monoprop like most stock rcs; it follows that monoprop engines fit the whole scheme better. But that is just me. I think this a fair point, I know a lot of the smaller parts get used across the board. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
debaker02 Posted February 7, 2020 Share Posted February 7, 2020 That is a good point Beal. It really would make the craft feel more Soviet with one fuel. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Prates Posted February 7, 2020 Share Posted February 7, 2020 5 hours ago, Beale said: I think this a fair point, I know a lot of the smaller parts get used across the board. And not stock only, other mods too tend to treat rcs as mainly a monopropellant thing. One of the strenghts of Tantares is how well it dialogues with other mods. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tjsnh Posted February 7, 2020 Share Posted February 7, 2020 In regards to the question of the Soyuz SM using LFO or Mono, just a thought. Consider the intended purpose of the part/engine. This is a service module for a small orbital craft, used for providing electrical power (with panels), maneuvering capability, and a retroburn. LFO engines are generally used in booster stages or when higher raw-thrust is needed (a landing thruster, for example). Having the Soyuz service module engine and RCS both use Mono has always felt right to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beale Posted February 7, 2020 Author Share Posted February 7, 2020 sry soyjus is cancel. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Shaftoe Posted February 7, 2020 Share Posted February 7, 2020 oh no how will kerbals am get to space now? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DiscoSlelge Posted February 7, 2020 Share Posted February 7, 2020 2 hours ago, Beale said: sry soyjus is cancel. ẃ̡͉̟̥̺͎̦̲̟͢͟h̨̨̘̲̖͟y̨̢̛̻̖̝͚̖̩̭̘̟̪̫͈͎̘͓̦͖͞ ̛̮͎̲̩̯͚͍͓̳̻̙̭̩͍̙͞h̛̯͚̪͍̭͍̖̱̼͖͎̞͔͘͢ą̷̪̫̠̪̻͓̟̘̗͙͍̟̜̲̤͓͟͠v̗̼̟̳͉̣̣͟͡è̴͢͏̷̞̞̲̣̹̺̺̪͔͍̼̳̬ ̴̷̨̗̺͈̣̮̗̖̜̜̦̹̼̺̟͓̜͢͠y̧͇̣̦͈̱̱͎̗̦̬͔̻̠͕̲͍̼̳͈o̷͔̦͕̞̣͎̖͈̗̪ư̢̻̘̲̜͕͈̻̖̭ ̢̢̱͓̹̲̦̙̭̙̯̦̖̟͖͟͞ͅͅf̡͓͚͓̥̟͓̤̭̳́͟͠o̗̺̤̩̰͎͓̪̪͘͡r̷̶̸͇̤͍̟̘͓͎̗̜̯̦͘͢ͅs̵̮̬̝̤̖͉̩͈̪͜͝ͅͅa̶͉̘̱̹̗͈̩͕̗̖̻̯̘̬̟̘͞k̸͇̱̩̞̝̼̩̹̫̺̣͠e̷̢̡͖̦̣̙̦͔̱̖͟͝n̛̛͎̗͖̗̮̣̲̲̺̫̗̟̤͠ͅ ̵̡̛̙̖̤̪̲̳͍̩̙̞̕͝m̨̩͎͎̹̫̦͔͔̥̞̣͕̻̭̩̘͓͇̲̕e̛̩̹̹̜̟̙̟͟ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Random Annoying Guy Posted February 8, 2020 Share Posted February 8, 2020 10 hours ago, Beale said: sry soyjus is cancel. i cant comprehend its shape... o͏̶h̴҉͜ ̢͝͡ņ̷̧̛͞ò̡ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fly Angry Posted February 8, 2020 Share Posted February 8, 2020 14 hours ago, Beale said: sry soyjus is cancel. Is that the capsule IVA? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beale Posted February 8, 2020 Author Share Posted February 8, 2020 1 hour ago, Fly Angry said: Is that the capsule IVA? Sadly yes. A little bit of a failed experiment in baked lighting! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beale Posted February 8, 2020 Author Share Posted February 8, 2020 (edited) det er tomt for benrom One of 7 (!) IVAs required for the new Soyuz... Well, here we go anyway. Just don't do anything irresponsible. Edited February 8, 2020 by Beale Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SBKerman Posted February 8, 2020 Share Posted February 8, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, Beale said: Just don't do anything irresponsible. This is Kerbal Space Program. We would neeeever do that. Edited February 8, 2020 by SBKerman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alberro+ Posted February 8, 2020 Share Posted February 8, 2020 On 1/10/2020 at 7:01 PM, Beale said: Sorry to ask, I just haven't checked in on Tantares in a while. Is this the modern Soyuz? Is it already included in the current version of Tantares? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lucius Posted February 8, 2020 Share Posted February 8, 2020 3 hours ago, Beale said: det er tomt for benrom One of 7 (!) IVAs required for the new Soyuz... Well, here we go anyway. OOOOOOO this wouldnt be in public beta yet would it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beale Posted February 8, 2020 Author Share Posted February 8, 2020 1 hour ago, alberro+ said: Sorry to ask, I just haven't checked in on Tantares in a while. Is this the modern Soyuz? Is it already included in the current version of Tantares? Yep that's right, it's the Soyuz-TM, first launched in 1986. It is in the current version of Tantares, but the new version currently in progress has more parts to represent it much better (I.e. the little cupola window). You can get the in-progress version here (clone or download button). https://github.com/Tantares/Tantares New version Old version 32 minutes ago, Lucius said: OOOOOOO this wouldnt be in public beta yet would it? It is! you can grab it here: https://github.com/Tantares/Tantares Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lucius Posted February 8, 2020 Share Posted February 8, 2020 Picked a good day to come back after a year Thank you as ever beale, its been what, 7 years? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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