Concodroid Posted July 27, 2016 Share Posted July 27, 2016 Yes. Health Before KF. Although KSP 1.0.5 was the first UPDATE that I downloaded, it still runs slowly on my machine. No graphics card. But anyway, re-downloading 1.0.5 means I can get KF working, BD FPS working... i sense an ALL OUT WAR coming my way! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TARDISES Posted July 27, 2016 Share Posted July 27, 2016 Wait, you don't have a graphics card? Or is KSP not using it? Either way, that's why it's running slow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Linventor Posted July 27, 2016 Share Posted July 27, 2016 Could you give us an estimate of when the mod will be updated for 1.1? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TARDISES Posted July 27, 2016 Share Posted July 27, 2016 (edited) Considering what was just announced last page, no estimates are possible. Also, lest we forget... FISH HIT! x1 Edited July 27, 2016 by TARDISES Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
V8jester Posted July 27, 2016 Share Posted July 27, 2016 1 minute ago, Linventor said: Could you give us an estimate of when the mod will be updated for 1.1? "Fish Slap" When it's done. 4 minutes ago, TARDISES said: Wait, you don't have a graphics card? Or is KSP not using it? Either way, that's why it's running slow. Integrated graphics (using the processor for a GPU) graphics cards are better integrated is much less expensive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TARDISES Posted July 27, 2016 Share Posted July 27, 2016 But at the same time, integrated is terrible for actual gaming. There are some games that also simply do not support integrated graphics. Magicka comes to mind as one that will not render the graphics if the device has integrated graphics. As such, I'm a firm believer that a proper graphics card is a good thing to have. Especially with something as... resource heavy... as KSP can be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
damerell Posted July 27, 2016 Share Posted July 27, 2016 2 minutes ago, TARDISES said: As such, I'm a firm believer that a proper graphics card is a good thing to have. Especially with something as... resource heavy... as KSP can be. KSP is often CPU bound, in which case the graphics performance is irrelevant. 57 minutes ago, Concodroid said: Although KSP 1.0.5 was the first UPDATE that I downloaded, it still runs slowly on my machine. No graphics card. But anyway, re-downloading 1.0.5 means I can get KF working, BD FPS working... i sense an ALL OUT WAR coming my way! I admit I've been considering going back to 1.0.5, fixing the power consumption issues in the KF plugin, and playing there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadowmage Posted July 27, 2016 Share Posted July 27, 2016 1 minute ago, damerell said: KSP is often CPU bound, in which case the graphics performance is irrelevant. But if your graphics are -also- running on the CPU it merely makes the problem even worse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
damerell Posted July 27, 2016 Share Posted July 27, 2016 32 minutes ago, Shadowmage said: But if your graphics are -also- running on the CPU it merely makes the problem even worse. In theory, but these days they don't. "Integrated" graphics might be physically built into the CPU and might well compete with the CPU for memory bandwidth, but I'm not aware of any option these days that actually uses CPU _cycles_ to do graphics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadowmage Posted July 27, 2016 Share Posted July 27, 2016 11 minutes ago, damerell said: In theory, but these days they don't. "Integrated" graphics might be physically built into the CPU and might well compete with the CPU for memory bandwidth, but I'm not aware of any option these days that actually uses CPU _cycles_ to do graphics. True enough on modern 'integrated' graphics. Mostly today it comes down to it being an actual GPU core that is integrated into the CPU package/die. They do still often share system memory (and bandwidth), which is much slower than graphics memory (I don't know the % difference offhand, but it is not small). I'll give them the credit that they are -much- better than they were even 4-5 years ago (during the Intel GMA 9XX days; ohh-so-terrible). But... you'll never catch me doing anything more than office work on a PC with integrated graphics. Some of them are 'capable' of doing light gaming, for some definitions of 'capable' (but not mine). If it is all you have, and it works for you, great. I find the performance wholly unacceptable though except in much older games (of which KSP might qualify; its not exactly graphics intensive). I'm a long-time PC gamer though and have always built my own PC's, so I likely have a highly subjective opinion on the matter. I also don't consider anything below 60fps to be playable... so there's also that feeding into my opinion. Sorry to side-track the thread a bit, and sorry if I ruffled any feathers; did not intend to start any drawn out discussions on the subject, and should probably learn to just keep my opinions to myself Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyrious Posted July 27, 2016 Share Posted July 27, 2016 Just now, Shadowmage said: They do still often share system memory (and bandwidth), which is much slower than graphics memory (I don't know the % difference offhand, but it is not small) Depends on the integrated graphics and the dedicated GPUs you are comparing, but most integrated graphics barely have access to 20-30GB/s memory bandwidth, a bit more if memory overclocking is factored in. All but the absolute weakest modern GPUs or most older (DX9) mid to upper range GPUs can crank more than that (easily hundreds of GB/s). Shoot my secondary GPU, which is using outdated DDR3 in 3 memory channels cranks more than that. Anyways, some older games (Anything running on first gen Unreal Engine, a couple of games on second gen Unreal Engine) had the option to do software rendering, which as you may have guessed, bypasses the GPU entirely and does all of the rendering on the CPU core(s). KSP though I'm pretty sure does not have a software rendering mode. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Concodroid Posted July 28, 2016 Share Posted July 28, 2016 On 7/27/2016 at 0:40 PM, TARDISES said: But at the same time, integrated is terrible for actual gaming. There are some games that also simply do not support integrated graphics. Magicka comes to mind as one that will not render the graphics if the device has integrated graphics. As such, I'm a firm believer that a proper graphics card is a good thing to have. Especially with something as... resource heavy... as KSP can be. I have Integrated graphics, can run KSP fine... good graphics settings, you know... the norm.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kenobi McCormick Posted July 28, 2016 Share Posted July 28, 2016 (edited) It's worth noting that KSP is not the most graphically demanding game in the world. The sheer bulk of its rendering is done on the physics side. I'm not surprised at all it runs fine on integrated graphics if you've got a beast of a CPU, conversely my GTX960 laughs at it(I can waggle the graphics settings wildly and not get a single twitch in my framerates no matter where I put those sliders!) while my AMD 720BE tricore chokes and dies if my partcount creeps north of 150-ish. Edited July 28, 2016 by Kenobi McCormick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
V8jester Posted July 29, 2016 Share Posted July 29, 2016 Hey guys we have really gotten off track here. Lets try and get back to wheels and tracks. Graphics debates can be taken to another more appropriate thread within the forum if you really want to continue Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Linventor Posted July 29, 2016 Share Posted July 29, 2016 On 7/27/2016 at 1:36 PM, V8jester said: "Fish Slap" When it's done. Well, duh. On 7/27/2016 at 1:35 PM, TARDISES said: Considering what was just announced last page, no estimates are possible. Also, lest we forget... FISH HIT! x1 Just read that last page. It contained info that I can make use of. Is it just me, or does the last page of replies always have the info I'm asking for? One more thing: get well soon, lo-fi! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyrious Posted July 30, 2016 Share Posted July 30, 2016 Hey, are we allowed to make suggestions for wheel designs? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
damerell Posted July 30, 2016 Share Posted July 30, 2016 1 hour ago, Cyrious said: Hey, are we allowed to make suggestions for wheel designs? I don't think anyone can stop you, but at the moment it is quite futile - and when KF does once again bestride the world like a colossus, it will be quite possible to use it with wheels you model yourself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lo-fi Posted July 30, 2016 Author Share Posted July 30, 2016 18 hours ago, Cyrious said: Hey, are we allowed to make suggestions for wheel designs? Please feel free something I used to love about this thread was the rich diversity of suggestions and wild ideas people threw our way. Great for motivation, and reminding us that we do this for fun! I can't guarantee I'll want to make a particular thing anyone might suggest, but inspiration is always welcome, even though there's lots of work still to be done on the plugin. Thanks again for the kind words. Suggest, discuss, dream.... Always welcome here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mgreen442 Posted July 31, 2016 Share Posted July 31, 2016 i love this mod but you need to update it!!!!!!!!! thanks, mgreen442 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goldenpeach Posted July 31, 2016 Share Posted July 31, 2016 Please remember that modders are volunteers and make the mods on their free time: rushing them to make an update is a little rude in some cases. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyrious Posted July 31, 2016 Share Posted July 31, 2016 37 minutes ago, mgreen442 said: i love this mod but you need to update it!!!!!!!!! thanks, mgreen442 FISH HIT! x1 It will update when it updates. Asking for updates will not speed up the process. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TARDISES Posted July 31, 2016 Share Posted July 31, 2016 (edited) I can tell you just copied that from my comment. I hope more people ask just so we can get more of dat Holy Mackerel killfeed action going on. Edited July 31, 2016 by TARDISES Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
50calkerbin Posted July 31, 2016 Share Posted July 31, 2016 I have been coming to this ksp forum each day for almost a week to see if it has been updated, but it never is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TiktaalikDreaming Posted July 31, 2016 Share Posted July 31, 2016 2 hours ago, mgreen442 said: i love this mod but you need to update it!!!!!!!!! thanks, mgreen442 Not enough fish available for this comment Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TARDISES Posted July 31, 2016 Share Posted July 31, 2016 Just now, TiktaalikDreaming said: Not enough fish available for this comment Just use the Holy Mackerel. It's durable enough for the task. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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