[24.2] Karbonite Ongoing Dev and Discussion

[RoverDude]

[Exception]: UnityException: Texture 'UmbraSpaceIndustries/Karbonite/ORS/Kerbin_Karbonite' is not readable, the texture memory can not be accessed from scripts. You can make the texture readable in the Texture Import Settings.

In debug log over Kerbin, duno if I should ignore it ?

Welcome to Texture Replacer, my archnemesis.

There *should* be a fix for this in the next release as I had to do it for MKS and it will carry over.

[blackheart612]

I was gonna do some random models for karbonite then I had an idea (because I was looking at ISRU concept and I thought of this for some reason), why not make a rover integrated resource collection? You got a mod for that too right? You can integrate it as well

[RoverDude]

I was gonna do some random models for karbonite then I had an idea (because I was looking at ISRU concept and I thought of this for some reason), why not make a rover integrated resource collection? You got a mod for that too right? You can integrate it as well

I like and endorse this idea!

FYI they area 0.625m form factor.... hint hint

[problemecium]

So I presume in "KaO₃" the Ka stands for Kalcium and the O stands for Obtanium? (Unlike the much rarer Unobtanium, Obtanium is extremely common, not very valuable, and generally useless)?

[Neowulf]

hmm is posible to throw something like insane long anchor(like from KAS) to " simulate" landing on the surface of jool? or is posible to land with ANYTHHINK on jool?

Yep...that is what I am planning.

http://forum.kerbalspaceprogram.com/threads/53961-0-24-HooliganLabs-Mods-on-Curse?p=1318391&viewfull=1#post1318391

JewelShisen is going to look into a station keeping module that will make permanent in-atmo bases around jool a possibility.

[RoverDude]

So I presume in "KaO₃" the Ka stands for Kalcium and the O stands for Obtanium? (Unlike the much rarer Unobtanium, Obtanium is extremely common, not very valuable, and generally useless)?

Ka is Karbonite - with some Oxygen mixed in. But I am not even remotely a chemist, so have fun with it

Oh... and there's a new release. Go get some Karbonite... from the SKY!

Kerbin (for testing), Laythe, and Jool have Karbonite atmospheric deposits.

[blackheart612]

I like and endorse this idea!

FYI they area 0.625m form factor.... hint hint

I haven't seen radial tanks on development as well, either it's not yet develop, my eye is bad or really not planned (I was gonna try to but Im bad@designing)

[RoverDude]

I haven't seen radial tanks on development as well, either it's not yet develop, my eye is bad or really not planned (I was gonna try to but Im bad@designing)

I have a backlog of parts to go through at the moment - there are little ones, but nothing large.

[blackheart612]

Ah alright I gotta throw up something if I got time to take a break from mine. XD

[Yargnit]

Hey Rover, just a thought, and this would help set you apart more from Kethane also. Would it be much trouble to have two configs to chose from with Karbonite. THe 1st being exactly as you have now. The second being Where you actually have to mine two different types of Karbonite to make fuel. One type refines into LF the other into OX (Maybe separate Mono & Xenon also). Along with that flag the drills to not produce unless the PPM is over a certain value. Basically a harder mode that would require several bases set up to produce fuel. No extra parts to drill/refine, just different ores required.

You're pace is insane btw. Looking great

[RoverDude]

Hey Rover, just a thought, and this would help set you apart more from Kethane also. Would it be much trouble to have two configs to chose from with Karbonite. THe 1st being exactly as you have now. The second being Where you actually have to mine two different types of Karbonite to make fuel. One type refines into LF the other into OX (Maybe separate Mono & Xenon also). Along with that flag the drills to not produce unless the PPM is over a certain value. Basically a harder mode that would require several bases set up to produce fuel. No extra parts to drill/refine, just different ores required.

You're pace is insane btw. Looking great

Game plan is to still launch with a single resource - it's easier to start with a simpler version and layer complexity through community extensions vs trying to put the toothpaste back into the architectural and design tube

[protoz]

Where are the 0.0.7 parts? I can't find them.

Edit: Had to research it in R&D, found it.

Edited July 31, 2014 by protoz

[RoverDude]

If anyone wants to volunteer to do a runthrough of the configs for tech trees making sense, weights, drag, etc. that would rock - send a pull request on GitHub

[Reign Of Magic]

Hey all,

Update from my end regarding creating a generator. I have the model and textures done and imported into my KSP. Everything works just fine, aside from the generator doing anything (Currently have it with 2 modules, karbonite burning which doesn't work and the RTG module which does work), because I am at a loss on how to cause it to take Karbonite and burn it to create power. I copied and pasted the Kethane generator module bit into there and changed the Kethane to Karbonite and prayed that would work. Hint, it doesn't.

Problem solved thanks to AshIzat

Note part still contains the RTG's passive power Any feedback on this idea?

Anyway this is my first part I have created for KSP, as well as first time using both Blender and Unity. So, BE HARSH & GIVE ME POINTERS!

Dropbox link for download: https://www.dropbox.com/s/1kghd76qsfm2ohd/DerpShield.rar

This is what I based it off of: http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-O4e5kWfdx-E/UYPMihnak-I/AAAAAAAADHc/FIxUwZg44oU/s1600/IMG_3339.JPG

Imgur:

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Edited July 31, 2014 by Reign Of Magic

[Doctor Axel]

So the aerial intakes are awesome. =D Time to set up aerial water harvesting...

[Smurfalot]

Ka is Karbonite - with some Oxygen mixed in. But I am not even remotely a chemist, so have fun with it

Oh... and there's a new release. Go get some Karbonite... from the SKY!

Kerbin (for testing), Laythe, and Jool have Karbonite atmospheric deposits.

What? No KaH-BO₂M?

Karbonite-- (Awesome multipurpose burnable)

Hydrogen (Flammable)

Boron (Used in heat resistant alloys)

Oxygen (Oxidizer necessary for combustion)

M-- There is no element M, but it could be Mg for Magnesium (Burns at High temperature, used for pyrotechnics and incendiary bombs also can be used as a fuel source.

Edited July 31, 2014 by Smurfalot

[ThirdHorseman]

1. Don't need to scan at all, you will see all of the hotspots.

2. Yes, this is how ORS works.

Thanks for the info. While I'd prefer a more realistic scanning option...I love anything that gives more value to things like probes and satellites...I understand wanting to keep things simple.

[Targa]

Well so far the Mod works good for me. The only issue i got is that i didnt find a good way at the moment to mine the stuff on the mun and shoot it back to my space station around the mun. That stuff seems to be a lot heavyer then regular fuel, could it be? My little mining lander has real issues to climb again when it has a full kerbonit tank with it. With a standart issue fueltank of the same size it doesnt seem to have that issues....

OMG this just gave me an awesome idea (not sure if it'd be viable for this mod or not - that'd be up to RoverDude). Anyhoo... when you said "shoot it back to my space station..." it reminded me of something I'd seen in Anarchy Online. They have these HUGE planet-based cannons that shoot cans of ore to orbiting refineries. Maybe reaching escape velocity on a planet with an atmosphere would be asking too much from a cannon, but from a moon - maybe not. There'd be a lot of math involved depending on each moon's escape velocity if you were going to launch it into an orbit. Hmm... it would have to not be considered "space debris" either, or the game could delete it.

Or maybe not a cannon/launcher. Maybe you attach a couple of SRB's to the side of a can, and a miniature control pod with integrated docking port. Food for thought. Mining and refining fuel on a planetary body is always going to be problematic if you don't have a fairly easy way to get the fuel into space. Is it worth the hassle, or is it easier to simply ferry fuel from Kerbin's space port? If you're taking a ship halfway across the solar system, chances are it won't have the ability to land on a moon, refuel, and take off again.

@RoverDude: No hurry, but please let me know the results of changing "sphere" to "cube" when you get around to it. Oh, and you forgot to add childStageOffset = 1 to the drill's cfg file.

[AccidentalDisassembly]

Hey all,

Update from my end regarding creating a generator. I have the model and textures done and imported into my KSP. Everything works just fine, aside from the generator doing anything (Currently have it with 2 modules, karbonite burning which doesn't work and the RTG module which does work), because I am at a loss on how to cause it to take Karbonite and burn it to create power. I copied and pasted the Kethane generator module bit into there and changed the Kethane to Karbonite and prayed that would work. Hint, it doesn't.

Anyway this is my first part I have created for KSP, as well as first time using both Blender and Unity. So, BE HARSH & GIVE ME POINTERS!

Dropbox link for download: https://www.dropbox.com/s/1kghd76qsfm2ohd/DerpShield.rar

This is what I based it off of: http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-O4e5kWfdx-E/UYPMihnak-I/AAAAAAAADHc/FIxUwZg44oU/s1600/IMG_3339.JPG

Imgur: http://imgur.com/a/DOoYC

I think maybe if you include a Karbonite converter module in your part config, like this:

MODULE

{

name = KarboniteResourceConverter

deactivateIfFull = true

deactivateIfEmpty = false

displayName = Generator

INPUT_RESOURCE

{

name = Karbonite

rate = 1.0

}

}

OUTPUT_RESOURCE

{

name = ElectricCharge

rate = 1.0

}

}

.. that might work. I don't imagine the conversion ratio of 1 Karbonite to 1 ElectricCharge is sane in any way, I'm just using it as an example.

[nli2work]

Hey all,

Anyway this is my first part I have created for KSP, as well as first time using both Blender and Unity. So, BE HARSH & GIVE ME POINTERS!

This is what I based it off of: http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-O4e5kWfdx-E/UYPMihnak-I/AAAAAAAADHc/FIxUwZg44oU/s1600/IMG_3339.JPG

Imgur: http://imgur.com/a/DOoYC

Good start! here're couple of things that will help you to make it more "Karbonite", Nertea provided these a while back.

Color palette, stick to these colors will keep parts looking more Karbonite. just load it into your image editor and use eye dropper to sample the color blocks while you are make your textures.

stock alike attachment plates. add these to ends of parts that are meant for Stack attachment and it will help integrate the Karbonite part's looks with Stock parts

Text on machinery and the like are generally san-serif; easier to read at a distance. Helvetica is overly popular, but works well. Arial is good option. I use Tahoma a bit. Arial and Tahoma are both standard on Windows. I think Helvetica is standard on OSX.

[sarbian]

What I will be kinda clear on tho, and do (slightly) take offense to is the accusation of 'bashing' or 'riding a wave of hate'. I can dislike a license, and dislike privacy invasion, and have not made any secret about this. But that's a very, very far cry from disliking a person. Less a 'wave of hate' and more of a wave of 'oh crap... the one tool I needed to get fuel now has something I really don't like mixed in it... Guess it's time to make a second choice'. Simple as that.

It may be a poor choice of words from my side. I don't think you hate Majiir, and I don't think that what I wrote. As Doctor Axel said the mod does not have to be "Not Kethane".

Anyway, sorry that it got you offended, and thanks for changing the title.

[RoverDude]

It may be a poor choice of words from my side. I don't think you hate Majiir, and I don't think that what I wrote. As Doctor Axel said the mod does not have to be "Not Kethane".

Anyway, sorry that it got you offended, and thanks for changing the title.

No worries at all, it's all good.

[AshIzat]

Hey all,

Update from my end regarding creating a generator. I have the model and textures done and imported into my KSP. Everything works just fine, aside from the generator doing anything (Currently have it with 2 modules, karbonite burning which doesn't work and the RTG module which does work), because I am at a loss on how to cause it to take Karbonite and burn it to create power. I copied and pasted the Kethane generator module bit into there and changed the Kethane to Karbonite and prayed that would work. Hint, it doesn't.

Anyway this is my first part I have created for KSP, as well as first time using both Blender and Unity. So, BE HARSH & GIVE ME POINTERS!

Dropbox link for download: https://www.dropbox.com/s/1kghd76qsfm2ohd/DerpShield.rar

This is what I based it off of: http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-O4e5kWfdx-E/UYPMihnak-I/AAAAAAAADHc/FIxUwZg44oU/s1600/IMG_3339.JPG

Imgur: http://imgur.com/a/DOoYC

Try this:

[FONT=Verdana]MODULE
[/FONT]{
    name = KarboniteGenerator
    // The ammount of electric charge (in kJ) recieved from 1 unit of karbonite
    conversionRatio = 500
    // The maximum output of the generator in kW
    maxOutput = 100 
}

[akron]

Can't wait to give this a try. Still working on my new .24 installation. Though I would really like to see some rover-size parts as well, so I support the idea. If I wasn't so busy in school, I'd offer a hand. I'm studying 3D game modeling, actually, and would love to do a KSP mod.

[Zephram Kerman]

Just for fun, thought I'd show off my karbonite test rig. I know we can test the drills and parts from anywhere, but I have this compulsion to make everything into a plane. So, enjoy!

Gets there fast.

A resource-rich area ahead. Looks like rough terrain though...

Yep, rough. But no worries!

We came prepared.

While the four ventral drills do their work, be sure to repack the parachute for the return trip!