Why are all technology enthusiast commemorate Steve Jobs so much while S Wozniak did,

[Pawelk198604]

Steve Wozniak should be more commemorated than Jobs, he would by Mr. Nobody without Mr. Wozniak i read that all software in first Apple Computer was made by Steve Wozniak, Jobs was electronic engineer not software engineer.

[Tommygun]

That's true of all CEOs of large companies.

Elon Musk and Henry Ford didn't design or personally build any of their products, but they get all the credit.

[SpaceXray]

They make it happen. Wozniak wasn't influential enough to do business.

[Kryten]

Because apple fanboys think they're technology enthusiasts.

[Tommygun]

They make it happen. Wozniak wasn't influential enough to do business.

Or perhaps tyrannical enough.

[Dunbaratu]

Because they *call* themselves technology enthusiasts while not actually *being* technology enthusiasts. Actual technology enthusiasts know to credit the engineer, not the monitizer in the CEO's chair.

There's also a lot of people who wrongly think Bill Gates is a good programmer. He was fairly lackluster when he was going through school and did a lot of copying. But at least he knew *something* about it, once upon a time, back when home computers all used BASIC. Steve Jobs was just the friend of a computer expert who needed him as a business partner.

[pxi]

When I think of Apple, I think of Woz.

I was never a fan of Steve Jobs. There's a fantastic movie 'The Pirates of Silicon Valley', which is well worth a look if you're interested in the early days of Apple.

Also, it's a bit sad that Dennis Ritchie died at around the same time as Jobs, and almost nothing was said about him.

[Seret]

Steve Jobs was the public face, and he was the man who called the shots when it came to Apple as a business. Both Jobs and Woz were influential in the early days, but both became less central to the company after that, to the point where Jobs was sidelined and sacked. After his return Jobs was hugely influential, and credited with taking Apple from its position circling the drain to be one of the leading tech companies. That's impressive.

In not a Steve Jobs fan, but his contribution was far more important than Woz's over the years.

[Superfluous J]

Jobs left Apple and it almost died.

Jobs returned to Apple and it changed (or created) (at least) two entire industries: Digital music and smart phones. Nothing left Apple without Jobs' approval, and he gave his disapproval freely and with vigor.

Without Steve Jobs, iTunes and iPhone would not have happened. Android probably wouldn't have even happened, or at least it would have taken several more years.

I have great respect for the Woz, but a knowledgeable technology enthusiast cannot deny that Steve Jobs' influence was immense.

[jwenting]

Jobs was kicked out of Apple because he almost killed it...

It didn't almost die because he left, it almost died because of the stupidity of the ideas he put forward for them to push.

[Dunbaratu]

In not a Steve Jobs fan, but his contribution was far more important than Woz's over the years.

Without Woz there wouldn't have been an Apple computer. I don't mean the company. I mean the computer. You can't sell a product unless someone knows how to actually *make* it. Jobs' influence was mostly as a negative filter. His major influence was in saying "no" to his company's innovators a lot more often than saying "yes', and thereby cause a very strong uniformity of user interface.

Jobs never really caused any ideas to happen. The credit he deserves is that he stifled a of bad ideas to ensure they *didn't* happen. But he took that idea too far to the point of being annoying.

[Red Iron Crown]

I'd agree that Wozniak was more technically skilled. Jobs' strengths were more about vision, leadership, and persistence. Those things are as important if not more so than technical skills.

[Nuke]

i always liked a machine where i could get my hands dirty, dig into the hardware and make modifications. the apple route really doesn't give you that experience to the same degree a pc does. though i have had a lot of fun keeping my 5th gen ipod running. gone through 2 batteries and a screen, its run ipod linux and rockbox so far and its still kicking.

[Seret]

I'd agree that Wozniak was more technically skilled. Jobs' strengths were more about vision, leadership, and persistence. Those things are as important if not more so than technical skills.

Those skills are more important in a leader, yes. Past a certain point on the org chart technical skills become less relevant, which is something a lot of engineers don't appreciate when they grumble about how their boss isn't an engineer. Probably the same in science I imagine. Good technicians don't necessarily make good leaders.

[Dunbaratu]

Those skills are more important in a leader, yes. Past a certain point on the org chart technical skills become less relevant, which is something a lot of engineers don't appreciate when they grumble about how their boss isn't an engineer. Probably the same in science I imagine. Good technicians don't necessarily make good leaders.

Except he didn't even have *those* skills either. He was no innovator, no visionary. What he did know how to do, was say "no". He was an idea *filter* not an idea *creator*.

[Sky_walker]

And here we go again... *facepalm*

Really guys - this topic heads stright into one direction: flame war of android boys vs apple boys.

[Seret]

Except he didn't even have *those* skills either. He was no innovator, no visionary. What he did know how to do, was say "no". He was an idea *filter* not an idea *creator*.

Well, I'm not an expert on his bio so I'm not going to debate the finer points of his skill set. But being an idea filter certainly isn't a bad thing for a senior manager of creatives to be.

Like I said, I'm not one of his fans, he sounds like he was a jerk and difficult to work with. But I suspect he was pretty effective in his role.

[jwenting]

And here we go again... *facepalm*

Really guys - this topic heads stright into one direction: flame war of android boys vs apple boys.

hmm? You must be reading something quite different from the rest of us.

[Idobox]

Let's give credit where it's due. Jobs was never a technical guy, but he had a very good idea how what products would sell, and how to sell them.

MP3 players, smartphones and tablet PCs all existed before Apple made their own, but the excellent marketing, and the sleek, simple design turned them from obscure gadgets for geeks into lifestyle essentials.

The apple computer was revolutionary, not by its specs, but once again by its different approach, its UI, and its price.

I'm not a fan of Apple products myself because I like to tinker, and I can get cheaper option for my needs. But I have to recognize they make .... products.

The one thing that baffles me, is that no one really copies the way they do marketing.

You want to buy an Apple laptop or smartphone, you've got only a few, highly identifiable products. One new smartphone each year, and laptop series are changed even less frequently.

You want to buy a PC or android smartphone? welcome to the world of XSP-56120-extra and galaxy ace wave 2 mini. I know about technology, and I really have trouble to keep up.

[Nuke]

And here we go again... *facepalm*

Really guys - this topic heads stright into one direction: flame war of android boys vs apple boys.

i dont like droid either.

[SuccessPastaTime]

Jobs definitely saw the potential in things. Like with the GUI, Xerox had gold, but the people in charge just didn't understand it and thought it would potentially ruin the company. Jobs didn't invent it, he just saw that it's potential.

I still am not a fan of him though, and I believe Woz was truely the technical genius, and he did it for the pleasure, not the profit. The Apple II, more specifically the IIGS was a computer completely unlike Apple of today. It was highly expandible and had some amazing features. I think back then, they were great. Don't really like their products today.