KScale64 v1.2.2 16th April 2017

[mitiya]

Known bug. Annoying, No fix until someone makes an HD texturepack for 6.4:1 scale.

Ok. But why mesh landscape changed? I thought that it only scaled.

[Hades]

Is anyone else having issues during reentry with the SDHI heatshield? The compatibility patch seems to adjust the values of it, but I end up running out of ablative shielding at about ~3500 m/s.

[Whirligig Girl]

Ok. But why mesh landscape changed? I thought that it only scaled.

Because it was changed to be higher quality. When you scale Kerbin up 6.4 times (or 10 times, as another mod makes available), that yellow-green plateau looks horrible. Thus, some changes to the PQS terrain needed to be made. One problem is that the terrain as a whole is slightly larger than the scaledspace texture, and another (noticeable right after launch) is that the yellow-green space center plateau is gone.

[westamastaflash]

I really like this. Trying to get the ProceduralParts Heat Shield to work properly. Seems you can change the PP Heat shield's loss and dissapation settings.

I'm experimenting with this and it seems to work somewhat better for a 6km/s reentry. I'll try various settings and report what I find.

@PART[proceduralHeatshield]:NEEDS[DeadlyReentry]:Final

{

@MODULE[ProceduralHeatshield]

{

lossTweak = 5

dissipationTweak = 5

}

}

Edited November 1, 2014 by westamastaflash

[tater]

Liking this a lot so far. In addition to the nice work of the different primary modders, I like the simplicity of the install. Ideally the scenarios and stock craft would be replaced by versions that would allow people to test out various aspects of the new scale. I'm thinking about luring new players from stock.

[nebuchadnezzar]

Is this data from regex still relevant in this version of 6.4x Kerbol?

[TABLE]

[TR]

[TD]Body[/TD]

[TD]Mass kg[/TD]

[TD]Radius m[/TD]

[TD]Max Atmos Alt m[/TD]

[TD]Grav Param[/TD]

[TD]Rotation Period sec[/TD]

[TD]Min Orbit Velocity m/s[/TD]

[TD]GSO km[/TD]

[TD]SemiSO km[/TD]

[/TR]

[TR]

[TD]Sun[/TD]

[TD]1.2729726494E+030[/TD]

[TD]584227280[/TD]

[TD]0.00[/TD]

[TD]84907275714.98[/TD]

[TD]262906.83[/TD]

[TD]0.00[/TD]

[TD]5297402.44[/TD]

[TD]3337154.42[/TD]

[/TR]

[TR]

[TD]Moho[/TD]

[TD]1.0362999946E+023[/TD]

[TD]1600000[/TD]

[TD]0.00[/TD]

[TD]6912.12[/TD]

[TD]440000.00[/TD]

[TD]2072.01[/TD]

[TD]32363.26[/TD]

[TD]20387.58[/TD]

[/TR]

[TR]

[TD]Eve[/TD]

[TD]5.0252753468E+024[/TD]

[TD]4480000[/TD]

[TD]127655.32[/TD]

[TD]335185.87[/TD]

[TD]113490.09[/TD]

[TD]8529.09[/TD]

[TD]47820.48[/TD]

[TD]30125.02[/TD]

[/TR]

[TR]

[TD]Gilly[/TD]

[TD]5.0854477285E+018[/TD]

[TD]83200[/TD]

[TD]0.00[/TD]

[TD]0.34[/TD]

[TD]67236.90[/TD]

[TD]60.33[/TD]

[TD]338.66[/TD]

[TD]213.35[/TD]

[/TR]

[TR]

[TD]Kerbin[/TD]

[TD]2.1687475458E+024[/TD]

[TD]3840000[/TD]

[TD]91182.37[/TD]

[TD]144655.46[/TD]

[TD]86400.00[/TD]

[TD]6066.05[/TD]

[TD]30130.12[/TD]

[TD]18980.79[/TD]

[/TR]

[TR]

[TD]Mun[/TD]

[TD]4.0039886626E+022[/TD]

[TD]1280000[/TD]

[TD]0.00[/TD]

[TD]2670.66[/TD]

[TD]351604.38[/TD]

[TD]1438.85[/TD]

[TD]20298.12[/TD]

[TD]12787.01[/TD]

[/TR]

[TR]

[TD]Minmus[/TD]

[TD]1.0854885297E+021[/TD]

[TD]384000[/TD]

[TD]0.00[/TD]

[TD]72.40[/TD]

[TD]80399.01[/TD]

[TD]428.67[/TD]

[TD]2280.15[/TD]

[TD]1436.41[/TD]

[/TR]

[TR]

[TD]Duna[/TD]

[TD]1.8487980356E+023[/TD]

[TD]2048000[/TD]

[TD]54709.42[/TD]

[TD]12331.48[/TD]

[TD]102385.83[/TD]

[TD]2421.69[/TD]

[TD]14849.50[/TD]

[TD]9354.60[/TD]

[/TR]

[TR]

[TD]Ike[/TD]

[TD]1.1422957777E+022[/TD]

[TD]832000[/TD]

[TD]0.00[/TD]

[TD]761.91[/TD]

[TD]165831.54[/TD]

[TD]951.25[/TD]

[TD]8096.42[/TD]

[TD]5100.42[/TD]

[/TR]

[TR]

[TD]Dres[/TD]

[TD]1.3215796333E+022[/TD]

[TD]883200[/TD]

[TD]0.00[/TD]

[TD]881.49[/TD]

[TD]74619.03[/TD]

[TD]993.43[/TD]

[TD]4990.98[/TD]

[TD]3144.12[/TD]

[/TR]

[TR]

[TD]Jool[/TD]

[TD]3.1545246352E+026[/TD]

[TD]38400000[/TD]

[TD]182364.75[/TD]

[TD]21040679.32[/TD]

[TD]75894.66[/TD]

[TD]23352.61[/TD]

[TD]145336.32[/TD]

[TD]91556.15[/TD]

[/TR]

[TR]

[TD]Laythe[/TD]

[TD]1.2051688533E+024[/TD]

[TD]3200000[/TD]

[TD]72945.90[/TD]

[TD]80384.76[/TD]

[TD]99400.83[/TD]

[TD]4955.84[/TD]

[TD]27197.65[/TD]

[TD]17133.44[/TD]

[/TR]

[TR]

[TD]Vall[/TD]

[TD]1.2767523392E+023[/TD]

[TD]1920000[/TD]

[TD]0.00[/TD]

[TD]8515.94[/TD]

[TD]198802.27[/TD]

[TD]2100.57[/TD]

[TD]20428.59[/TD]

[TD]12869.21[/TD]

[/TR]

[TR]

[TD]Tylo[/TD]

[TD]1.7354391957E+024[/TD]

[TD]3840000[/TD]

[TD]0.00[/TD]

[TD]115753.79[/TD]

[TD]397608.64[/TD]

[TD]5483.24[/TD]

[TD]77391.93[/TD]

[TD]48753.86[/TD]

[/TR]

[TR]

[TD]Bop[/TD]

[TD]1.5281975483E+021[/TD]

[TD]416000[/TD]

[TD]0.00[/TD]

[TD]101.93[/TD]

[TD]1021585.32[/TD]

[TD]489.16[/TD]

[TD]13915.48[/TD]

[TD]8766.21[/TD]

[/TR]

[TR]

[TD]Pol[/TD]

[TD]4.4346210692E+020[/TD]

[TD]281600[/TD]

[TD]0.00[/TD]

[TD]29.58[/TD]

[TD]1692117.37[/TD]

[TD]318.49[/TD]

[TD]12897.17[/TD]

[TD]8124.71[/TD]

[/TR]

[TR]

[TD]Eeloo[/TD]

[TD]4.5768479096E+022[/TD]

[TD]1344000[/TD]

[TD]0.00[/TD]

[TD]3052.76[/TD]

[TD]55799.64[/TD]

[TD]1501.54[/TD]

[TD]6221.07[/TD]

[TD]3919.03[/TD]

[/TR]

[/TABLE]

[Spartan125]

The planets are not being scaled up for me. Anyone else getting this bug? Output log: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/151598710/output_log.txt

[Whirligig Girl]

The planets are not being scaled up for me. Anyone else getting this bug? Output log: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/151598710/output_log.txt

Is RealSolarSystem installed?

- - - Updated - - -

Is this data from regex still relevant in this version of 6.4x Kerbol?

[TABLE]

[TR]

[TD]Body[/TD]

[TD]Mass kg[/TD]

[TD]Radius m[/TD]

[TD]Max Atmos Alt m[/TD]

[TD]Grav Param[/TD]

[TD]Rotation Period sec[/TD]

[TD]Min Orbit Velocity m/s[/TD]

[TD]GSO km[/TD]

[TD]SemiSO km[/TD]

[/TR]

[TR]

[TD]Sun[/TD]

[TD]1.2729726494E+030[/TD]

[TD]584227280[/TD]

[TD]0.00[/TD]

[TD]84907275714.98[/TD]

[TD]262906.83[/TD]

[TD]0.00[/TD]

[TD]5297402.44[/TD]

[TD]3337154.42[/TD]

[/TR]

[TR]

[TD]Moho[/TD]

[TD]1.0362999946E+023[/TD]

[TD]1600000[/TD]

[TD]0.00[/TD]

[TD]6912.12[/TD]

[TD]440000.00[/TD]

[TD]2072.01[/TD]

[TD]32363.26[/TD]

[TD]20387.58[/TD]

[/TR]

[TR]

[TD]Eve[/TD]

[TD]5.0252753468E+024[/TD]

[TD]4480000[/TD]

[TD]127655.32[/TD]

[TD]335185.87[/TD]

[TD]113490.09[/TD]

[TD]8529.09[/TD]

[TD]47820.48[/TD]

[TD]30125.02[/TD]

[/TR]

[TR]

[TD]Gilly[/TD]

[TD]5.0854477285E+018[/TD]

[TD]83200[/TD]

[TD]0.00[/TD]

[TD]0.34[/TD]

[TD]67236.90[/TD]

[TD]60.33[/TD]

[TD]338.66[/TD]

[TD]213.35[/TD]

[/TR]

[TR]

[TD]Kerbin[/TD]

[TD]2.1687475458E+024[/TD]

[TD]3840000[/TD]

[TD]91182.37[/TD]

[TD]144655.46[/TD]

[TD]86400.00[/TD]

[TD]6066.05[/TD]

[TD]30130.12[/TD]

[TD]18980.79[/TD]

[/TR]

[TR]

[TD]Mun[/TD]

[TD]4.0039886626E+022[/TD]

[TD]1280000[/TD]

[TD]0.00[/TD]

[TD]2670.66[/TD]

[TD]351604.38[/TD]

[TD]1438.85[/TD]

[TD]20298.12[/TD]

[TD]12787.01[/TD]

[/TR]

[TR]

[TD]Minmus[/TD]

[TD]1.0854885297E+021[/TD]

[TD]384000[/TD]

[TD]0.00[/TD]

[TD]72.40[/TD]

[TD]80399.01[/TD]

[TD]428.67[/TD]

[TD]2280.15[/TD]

[TD]1436.41[/TD]

[/TR]

[TR]

[TD]Duna[/TD]

[TD]1.8487980356E+023[/TD]

[TD]2048000[/TD]

[TD]54709.42[/TD]

[TD]12331.48[/TD]

[TD]102385.83[/TD]

[TD]2421.69[/TD]

[TD]14849.50[/TD]

[TD]9354.60[/TD]

[/TR]

[TR]

[TD]Ike[/TD]

[TD]1.1422957777E+022[/TD]

[TD]832000[/TD]

[TD]0.00[/TD]

[TD]761.91[/TD]

[TD]165831.54[/TD]

[TD]951.25[/TD]

[TD]8096.42[/TD]

[TD]5100.42[/TD]

[/TR]

[TR]

[TD]Dres[/TD]

[TD]1.3215796333E+022[/TD]

[TD]883200[/TD]

[TD]0.00[/TD]

[TD]881.49[/TD]

[TD]74619.03[/TD]

[TD]993.43[/TD]

[TD]4990.98[/TD]

[TD]3144.12[/TD]

[/TR]

[TR]

[TD]Jool[/TD]

[TD]3.1545246352E+026[/TD]

[TD]38400000[/TD]

[TD]182364.75[/TD]

[TD]21040679.32[/TD]

[TD]75894.66[/TD]

[TD]23352.61[/TD]

[TD]145336.32[/TD]

[TD]91556.15[/TD]

[/TR]

[TR]

[TD]Laythe[/TD]

[TD]1.2051688533E+024[/TD]

[TD]3200000[/TD]

[TD]72945.90[/TD]

[TD]80384.76[/TD]

[TD]99400.83[/TD]

[TD]4955.84[/TD]

[TD]27197.65[/TD]

[TD]17133.44[/TD]

[/TR]

[TR]

[TD]Vall[/TD]

[TD]1.2767523392E+023[/TD]

[TD]1920000[/TD]

[TD]0.00[/TD]

[TD]8515.94[/TD]

[TD]198802.27[/TD]

[TD]2100.57[/TD]

[TD]20428.59[/TD]

[TD]12869.21[/TD]

[/TR]

[TR]

[TD]Tylo[/TD]

[TD]1.7354391957E+024[/TD]

[TD]3840000[/TD]

[TD]0.00[/TD]

[TD]115753.79[/TD]

[TD]397608.64[/TD]

[TD]5483.24[/TD]

[TD]77391.93[/TD]

[TD]48753.86[/TD]

[/TR]

[TR]

[TD]Bop[/TD]

[TD]1.5281975483E+021[/TD]

[TD]416000[/TD]

[TD]0.00[/TD]

[TD]101.93[/TD]

[TD]1021585.32[/TD]

[TD]489.16[/TD]

[TD]13915.48[/TD]

[TD]8766.21[/TD]

[/TR]

[TR]

[TD]Pol[/TD]

[TD]4.4346210692E+020[/TD]

[TD]281600[/TD]

[TD]0.00[/TD]

[TD]29.58[/TD]

[TD]1692117.37[/TD]

[TD]318.49[/TD]

[TD]12897.17[/TD]

[TD]8124.71[/TD]

[/TR]

[TR]

[TD]Eeloo[/TD]

[TD]4.5768479096E+022[/TD]

[TD]1344000[/TD]

[TD]0.00[/TD]

[TD]3052.76[/TD]

[TD]55799.64[/TD]

[TD]1501.54[/TD]

[TD]6221.07[/TD]

[TD]3919.03[/TD]

[/TR]

[/TABLE]

Everything except for rotation speeds and GSO/SSO Orbits.

[Starman4308]

The planets are not being scaled up for me. Anyone else getting this bug? Output log: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/151598710/output_log.txt

I'm not 100% sure, but it looks like you're booting the Windows x64 version. RSS is disabled on x64 because Nathan, like many mod authors, is tired of getting bug reports from Windows x64, most of which trace back to x64 being unstable for so many users.

[Tellion]

Great project, thanks to everyone involved!

[Robotengineer]

Would it be possible for the mountains and other terrain to be scaled up as well? Also what DRE config is good for this?

[NathanKell]

The mountains and other terrain *are* scaled up as well.

I've been trying a generic DRE config, since I noticed the config only touches a couple parts, not all heat shields (????).

[Sp33d3h]

Is it possible to config Kerbin-Side with this? I'd really like alternate launch pads on my current save, it'd mean I don't have to waste time for orbital rendezvous or just waiting for day to launch.

[westamastaflash]

I suppose the reason Eve's rotational period is so slow (>5000 hours!) is to mimic Venus? In regular I could get a stationary orbit or semi-synchronous orbit around Eve in Stock, but now I can't, correct?

[NathanKell]

Eve's rotation should be somewhere between 1/4 and 1/2 the speed it was in stock KSP, depending on which rotation-speed configs you're using.

Here is, as promised, my generic DRE patch (place it *above* the existing patches in the DRE patch file in the 64K folder):

// Wildcard
@PART[*]:HAS[@MODULE[ModuleHeatShield]]:FINAL
{
	@maxTemp = 1800
	@MODULE[ModuleHeatShield]
	{
		@loss
		{
			@key,1 ^= :^1000 ::
			@key,1 ^= : 0 0::
			@key,1 *= 3
			@key,1 ^= :$: 0 0:
			@key,1 ^= :^:2500 :

			@key,2 ^= :^3000 ::
			@key,2 ^= : 0 0::
			@key,2 *= 5
			@key,2 ^= :$: 0 0:
			@key,2 ^= :^:7500 :
		}
		@dissipation
		{
			@key,1 ^= :^500:400:
		}
	}
}

Paul, can you put this on github so I can do PRs?

[tater]

A few observations/questions:

This is presumably outside the basic scope, but while I have been using sandbox, it would complete the "stock writ large" experience for the career to work at some point. Balance is kinda screwy because it's certainly harder to get to orbit with the skinny little rockets of the first X launches, particularly with SRBs accelerating me to the point of burning off my chute if I'm not careful . I realize perhaps I could serially stage pairs of boosters, but that seems less like real rockets to me, so I don't, lol.

Nathan, what engine stuff should I use with RF for this, or should I go stock, and just use larger, well, everything? I reflexively added KIDS, too, but I realize that I might not have it set up right for 6.4X.

[westamastaflash]

Eve's rotation should be somewhere between 1/4 and 1/2 the speed it was in stock KSP, depending on which rotation-speed configs you're using.

I put the 24 hour day in, so eve's rotation is 20,996,815 seconds (5832 hrs). Stock is 80500s ~ 22 hrs? Seems a pretty big difference. I checked the 6 hour day and the 12 hour day config too, they're 1458 hrs and 2916 hrs respectively.

Or am i missing something about the Eve config in stock? I got the even numbers here http://wiki.kerbalspaceprogram.com/wiki/Eve

I know very little about orbital mechanics and such. Was there a reason for this change? Or is my math messed up?

[Starman4308]

A few observations/questions:

This is presumably outside the basic scope, but while I have been using sandbox, it would complete the "stock writ large" experience for the career to work at some point. Balance is kinda screwy because it's certainly harder to get to orbit with the skinny little rockets of the first X launches, particularly with SRBs accelerating me to the point of burning off my chute if I'm not careful . I realize perhaps I could serially stage pairs of boosters, but that seems less like real rockets to me, so I don't, lol.

Nathan, what engine stuff should I use with RF for this, or should I go stock, and just use larger, well, everything? I reflexively added KIDS, too, but I realize that I might not have it set up right for 6.4X.

A lot of people, including me, have had great success with RealFuels and the stockalike engine configs. I would recommend FAR to remove the souposphere (it has a learning curve, but does greatly reduce dV requirements), Procedural Fairings to not-die with FAR, Kerbal Engineer Redux or MechJeb to help you construct rockets, RealChutes to give you those wonderful parachutes, and Deadly Reentry and TAC Life Support to round out the realism aspects. I also like KW Rocketry, Modular Rocket Systems, and Zero Point fairings for greater variety of parts.

In any case, it's hard to get a single multiplier (Isp, funds rewards, etc) to really balance career for scaled-up Kerbin, because launcher mass has an exponential dependence on delta-V. Thus, if you try to balance it for orbital contracts, atmospheric contracts are giant sacks of money, and it's hard to make a penny for anything outside the Kerbin system.

[Wanderfound]

Nifty, thanks. I've been considering messing around with upscaling, but I like my mods to be as plug&play as possible. Sorted.

[White Owl]

I reflexively added KIDS, too, but I realize that I might not have it set up right for 6.4X.

That's the Isp Difficulty mod, right? That mod was made because stock Kerbin is so small, reaching orbit takes a trivial amount of delta-V. That problem doesn't exist in any of the RSS scaled-up systems, so you're just pointlessly handicapping yourself. Most people use Real Fuels and one of the RF configs that makes rocket engines more capable than stock, not less.

[westamastaflash]

I created a little excel calculator to figure out the orbital periods and SMA based on inputs for Kerbal 64K. Right now I just have data for the 24 hour configuration, posted here:

https://onedrive.live.com/redir?page=view&resid=1731C32CC90F1274!129&authkey=!AIJwYJCsh7bOqEw

I'm new to celestial mechanics math so please let me know if something is screwed up. The SOI calculations are from the formula on the KSP Wiki - does RSS use a different way of calculating them? If so they may be wrong.

The "Red" highlighted cells are automatically populated when an orbit doesn't fit in the bodies SOI.

[tater]

A lot of people, including me, have had great success with RealFuels and the stockalike engine configs. I would recommend FAR to remove the souposphere (it has a learning curve, but does greatly reduce dV requirements), Procedural Fairings to not-die with FAR, Kerbal Engineer Redux or MechJeb to help you construct rockets, RealChutes to give you those wonderful parachutes, and Deadly Reentry and TAC Life Support to round out the realism aspects. I also like KW Rocketry, Modular Rocket Systems, and Zero Point fairings for greater variety of parts.

In any case, it's hard to get a single multiplier (Isp, funds rewards, etc) to really balance career for scaled-up Kerbin, because launcher mass has an exponential dependence on delta-V. Thus, if you try to balance it for orbital contracts, atmospheric contracts are giant sacks of money, and it's hard to make a penny for anything outside the Kerbin system.

I always use FAR

I was just unsure of the best settings for 6.4X vs stock vs RSS.

I can see the point about the contracts, and up to a point I like actually having to think about what I am building… balance for scaled up might be as simple as a slight tech tree variation so that you can get bigger stuff sooner for that orbital flight. That or start out with enough cash to build a bunch of rockets.

[tater]

That's the Isp Difficulty mod, right? That mod was made because stock Kerbin is so small, reaching orbit takes a trivial amount of delta-V. That problem doesn't exist in any of the RSS scaled-up systems, so you're just pointlessly handicapping yourself. Most people use Real Fuels and one of the RF configs that makes rocket engines more capable than stock, not less.

That could well be an issue, lol. I thought it was also to correct for the wrong math of Isp in KSP in general, though.

Will axe it for now.

[Wanderfound]

I've just started playing with 6.4x, and it's lotsa fun; thanks.

However, the one downside is that it appears to be sharply reducing the terrain graphics quality around KSC.

This is my normal KSC lawn:

And this is the 6.4x version:

Is this expected behaviour? And should I be asking such questions here or at the RSS thread?

[Master Tao]

Can you double check your SM3 Terrain Shaders setting? That's normal when they're turned off.