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Am I the only one that is getting nothing but minmus/mun satellite and base building missions after my second orbital flight? oh, and solar orbital stations too. I haven't even unlocked my first 90 sci node. Also, I have yet to make the 420k needed to upgrade the VAB so I'm still working against a 30 part max...

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Am I the only one that is getting nothing but minmus/mun satellite and base building missions after my second orbital flight? oh, and solar orbital stations too. I haven't even unlocked my first 90 sci node. Also, I have yet to make the 420k needed to upgrade the VAB so I'm still working against a 30 part max...

The satellite ones are actually much easier than you would think - you can put a satellite in solar orbit with a rocket half the size it takes to get a 1-man capsule to orbit. That said, the base/station ones do show up a bit prematurely. I had a mission to plop a base on Minmus right after deploying a satellite in Mun orbit (before I'd even landed on Mun or been to Minmus at all). There's also a bug which makes satellite contracts show up when you unlock launch clamps, because technically they're a renewable power source. Just ignore the contracts until you can do them, or cancel them if you have none you can do.

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I'm a lot farther than that and haven't seen any base or station building missions yet. I wonder what triggers those.

From what I understand, satellite ones show up when you can get to orbit and have any probe and any renewable power source available. Base ones seem to be if you can reach Mun/Minmus and you have the habitation modules unlocked.

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Ah, so you've done upgrades to R&D! Without an R&D upgrade (or completing Mun explore) the deepest sat contracts I see are between Mun/Minmus or orbiting Mun. Definitely no space stations. That makes sense.

Yeah, contracts open up based on your researched items. Sats are a bit broken as they open up for batteries instead of solar panels.

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Ah, so you've done upgrades to R&D! Without an R&D upgrade (or completing Mun explore) the deepest sat contracts I see are between Mun/Minmus or orbiting Mun. Definitely no space stations. That makes sense.

Yeah, contracts open up based on your researched items. Sats are a bit broken as they open up for batteries instead of solar panels.

I honestly can't see how you expected to build stations without docking ports.... :P Also, you don't need to complete mun explore... they showed up just after I'd done the "achieve orbit" part.

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Ah, so you've done upgrades to R&D! Without an R&D upgrade (or completing Mun explore) the deepest sat contracts I see are between Mun/Minmus or orbiting Mun. Definitely no space stations. That makes sense.

Yeah, contracts open up based on your researched items. Sats are a bit broken as they open up for batteries instead of solar panels.

Nope. All but the solar popped up with nothing but the launchpad upgraded. I have just unlocked solar panels.

I have only made orbit 3 times this save. I think the highest I've been is 150k from Kerbin. Of the 14 contracts currently offered I have; orbital Mun and Solar station, landed Minmus station, Kerbin, Mun, and Minmus satellite, 2 Kerbin visual surveys on the far side of the planet, and 2 Kerbin escape trajectory part tests. Oh, and explore Mun.

By the way, hard mode is slightly grindy...

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It's probably worth posting your save file either here or in the appropriate support forums. Clearly something's gone pretty far wrong with your career mode :/ Check the bug report guidelines and self-help bit though, they're stickied at the top of those forums. Of course, it's still perfectly possible for you to do some of those those contracts, as I mentioned earlier. The satellite ones are highly profitable - I've gotten my satellite launcher down to 7,500 funds, although I imagine someone's done it cheaper. :)

By the way, hard mode is slightly grindy...

Hehe... and don't I know it. The StageRecovery mod helps a lot though, but some might consider it cheating :)

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I get survey kerbin missions when I cant build planes, and when I can build planes, I dont get those missions anymore...

The airborne ones can be done fairly easily with rockets - it takes some practice, but it's certainly doable. Later on they do get rarer, but they also tend to be much bigger missions. Try burning through a few of your other contracts, one might show up. (I just finished an hour-long trip to the south-east, then the north pole, then back to KSC... :D)

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In principle yes, but quite often the number of contracts you have will decrease if you just spam decline them.

Usually when I decline a contract I get the exact same contract as a replacement. The only thing that changes is the company name.

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Usually when I decline a contract I get the exact same contract as a replacement. The only thing that changes is the company name.

It depends on the contract. Some of the testing ones do that, others just completely disappear with no immediate replacement. There are also other factors like how many contracts of a particular kind you've done, reputation, where you've been, etc.

Yeah. The early building upgrades need to cost less.

To be honest, considering we currently have what was supposed to be tier 2, the current upgrade costs are reasonable. As long as the tier1->tier2 upgrades cost significantly less when we get those buildings it should be okay (I assume the current starting restrictions, at least for building rockets, are those of the intended tier 1 buildings - if they're the tier 2 restrictions THEN we can rage :D)

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The problem is hard isn't actually harder. It's just more tedious.

The way they set it up you can't do the big contracts at all because you can't build a big enough ship. So you have to grind out a bunch of "science from Kerbin space" contracts before you can do anything interesting. I like not starting with maneuver nodes and targeting, because you can still do everything, it's just harder. But it shouldn't take so long to raise the cash you need to loosen restrictions on mass and part count.

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Between the VAB and the launchpad it really doesn't matter how clever you are. You need big missions to make enough money to do the upgrade and it just isn't possible. So you have to grind.

Oh I think you'd be very surprised at what you can do with the tier 1 launchpad. The first upgrade isn't that expensive even on hard mode - 3-4 satellite contracts early on more than cover it.

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"Early on" you can't do satellite contracts because you don't have the science.

You can get the necessary science quite easily from Kerbin; the tier 1 launchpad is plenty to get to orbit. You can go to the Mun or Minmus too, but, at least if it's a manned mission, you probably won't be able to land there.

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