[1.4.*] [2.5.3] (2018-04-06) UbioZur Welding Ltd. Continued

Alewx · July 21, 2015

I was gonna make a portal cake but that joke is too over saturated right now.
Anything looking bad on the weld? I managed to get a different station welded, I am manually editing the 400~ nodes so KSP doesn't get angry with me. I am gonna try to erase all and see if srAttach works with 0 nodes. This seems like the worst idea I had today.

Always remember:

The cake is a lie!

I'm working on it right now.

Solution found

Ok that is more then dumb, I found the problem and so far welding is not able to work around that because I believe it will not be just with the bab but some other parts also.

So the actual thing is: the lab is looking for the scienceContainer in the part and expects it to be the very first module in the part, ever and always.

The easiest solution is modifiiing the partfile so that the scienceContainer is in firstplace, and make the lab the rootpart of the weldment before welding.

Here is the ready to run version of the submitted part


PART
{
	name = Rho-main1
	module = Part
	author = Jack
	rescaleFactor = 1
	PhysicsSignificance = -1
	node_stack_bottomfuelTank.long3 = 0.651,-0.08,0,1,0,0,1
	node_stack_topfuelTank.long5 = -10.637,-0.08,0,-1,0,0,1
	node_stack_toputilityCabin10 = -6.408,-0.08,4.835,0.866,0,0.5,2
	node_stack_bottomutilityCabin14 = -6.408,-0.08,-4.935,0.866,0,-0.5,2
	node_stack_bottomfuelTank.long15 = 0,-0.08,-0.651,0,0,-1,1
	node_stack_topfuelTank.long17 = 0,-0.08,10.637,0,0,1,1
	node_stack_toputilityCabin22 = 4.835,-0.08,6.408,0.5,0,-0.866,2
	node_stack_bottomutilityCabin26 = -4.935,-0.08,6.408,-0.5,0,-0.866,2
	node_stack_bottomfuelTank.long27 = -0.651,-0.08,0,-1,0,0,1
	node_stack_bottomLarge.Crewed.Lab29 = 0,-3.938,0,0,-1,0,2
	node_stack_topfuelTank.long31 = 10.637,-0.08,0,1,0,0,1
	node_stack_toputilityCabin36 = 6.408,-0.08,-4.835,-0.866,0,-0.5,2
	node_stack_bottomutilityCabin40 = 6.408,-0.08,4.935,-0.866,0,0.5,2
	node_stack_bottomfuelTank.long41 = 0,-0.08,0.651,0,0,1,1
	node_stack_topfuelTank.long43 = 0,-0.08,-10.637,0,0,-1,1
	node_stack_toputilityCabin48 = -4.835,-0.08,-6.408,-0.5,0,0.866,2
	node_stack_bottomutilityCabin52 = 4.935,-0.08,-6.408,0.5,0,0.866,2
	node_stack_topfuelTank.long53 = -0.026,-0.094,2.626,-0.707,0,0.707,1
	node_stack_bottomfuelTank.long53 = 2.635,-0.094,-0.035,0.707,0,-0.707,1
	node_stack_topfuelTank.long54 = 2.626,-0.094,0.026,0.707,0,0.707,1
	node_stack_bottomfuelTank.long54 = -0.035,-0.094,-2.635,-0.707,0,-0.707,1
	node_stack_topfuelTank.long55 = 0.026,-0.094,-2.626,0.707,0,-0.707,1
	node_stack_bottomfuelTank.long55 = -2.635,-0.094,0.035,-0.707,0,0.707,1
	node_stack_topfuelTank.long56 = -2.626,-0.094,-0.026,-0.707,0,-0.707,1
	node_stack_bottomfuelTank.long56 = 0.035,-0.094,2.635,0.707,0,0.707,1
	node_stack_topasasmodule1-258 = 0,4.027,0,0,1,0,2
	node_stack_topxenon-25-12 = 0,7.557,0,0,1,0,2
	node_stack_bottomxenon-25-10 = 0,-7.336,0,0,-1,0,2
	node_attach = -1.25,0,0,-1,0,0,2
	CrewCapacity = 78
	stackSymmetry = 3
	TechRequired = highPerformanceFuelSystems
	entryCost = 2691200
	cost = 1621224
	category = FuelTank
	subcategory = 0
	title = My welded part
	manufacturer = UbioZur Welding Ltd
	description = Warranty void during re-entry.
	attachRules = 1,1,1,1,0,0,0
	mass = 87.19003
	vesselType = Ship
	dragModelType = default
	maximum_drag = 0.2
	minimum_drag = 0.225
	angularDrag = 2
	crashTolerance = 6.53
	breakingForce = 170.396
	breakingTorque = 170.396
	maxTemp = 1200
	fuelCrossFeed = True
	explosionPotential = 0.5
	thermalMassModifier = 1
	heatConductivity = 0.12
	emissiveConstant = 0.399993894994168
	radiatorHeadroom = 0.25
	bulkheadProfiles = size2
	MODEL
	{
		model = NearFuturePropulsion/Parts/Xenon/xenon-25/xenon-25-1
		position = 0,-3.586,0
	}
	MODEL
	{
		model = StationPartsExpansion/Parts/Command/crewpod-habitation-375/crewpod-habitation-375
		position = 0,1.206,0
	}
	MODEL
	{
		model = NearFuturePropulsion/Parts/Xenon/xenon-25/xenon-25-1
		position = 0,3.806,0
	}
	MODEL
	{
		model = Squad/Parts/FuelTank/fuelTankT800/model
		position = -1.237,-0.08,0
		scale = 1.25,1.25,1.25
		rotation = 0,0,90
	}
	MODEL
	{
		model = Squad/Parts/FuelTank/fuelTankT800/model
		position = -4.987,-0.08,0
		scale = 1.25,1.25,1.25
		rotation = 270,270,0
	}
	MODEL
	{
		model = Squad/Parts/FuelTank/fuelTankT800/model
		position = -8.762,-0.08,0
		scale = 1.25,1.25,1.25
		rotation = 270,90,0
	}
	MODEL
	{
		model = NearFuturePropulsion/Parts/Hydrogen/hydrogen-25/hydrogen-25-3
		position = -9.762,-0.08,0
		rotation = 270,180,0
	}
	MODEL
	{
		model = NearFutureSpacecraft/Parts/Command/utilityCabin/utilityCabin
		position = -9.562,-0.08,1.3
		rotation = 270,195,0
	}
	MODEL
	{
		model = NearFutureSpacecraft/Parts/Command/utilityCabin/utilityCabin
		position = -9.062,-0.08,2.5
		rotation = 270,210,0
	}
	MODEL
	{
		model = NearFutureSpacecraft/Parts/Command/utilityCabin/utilityCabin
		position = -8.262,-0.08,3.6
		rotation = 270,225,0
	}
	MODEL
	{
		model = NearFutureSpacecraft/Parts/Command/utilityCabin/utilityCabin
		position = -7.162,-0.08,4.4
		rotation = 270,240,0
	}
	MODEL
	{
		model = NearFutureSpacecraft/Parts/Command/utilityCabin/utilityCabin
		position = -9.562,-0.08,-1.3
		rotation = 270,165,0
	}
	MODEL
	{
		model = NearFutureSpacecraft/Parts/Command/utilityCabin/utilityCabin
		position = -9.062,-0.08,-2.5
		rotation = 270,150,0
	}
	MODEL
	{
		model = NearFutureSpacecraft/Parts/Command/utilityCabin/utilityCabin
		position = -8.262,-0.08,-3.6
		rotation = 270,135,0
	}
	MODEL
	{
		model = NearFutureSpacecraft/Parts/Command/utilityCabin/utilityCabin
		position = -7.162,-0.08,-4.5
		rotation = 270,120,0
	}
	MODEL
	{
		model = Squad/Parts/FuelTank/fuelTankT800/model
		position = 0,-0.08,1.237
		scale = 1.25,1.25,1.25
		rotation = 0,90,90
	}
	MODEL
	{
		model = Squad/Parts/FuelTank/fuelTankT800/model
		position = 0,-0.08,4.987
		scale = 1.25,1.25,1.25
		rotation = 270,0,0
	}
	MODEL
	{
		model = Squad/Parts/FuelTank/fuelTankT800/model
		position = 0,-0.08,8.762
		scale = 1.25,1.25,1.25
		rotation = 270,180,0
	}
	MODEL
	{
		model = NearFuturePropulsion/Parts/Hydrogen/hydrogen-25/hydrogen-25-3
		position = 0,-0.08,9.762
		rotation = 270,270,0
	}
	MODEL
	{
		model = NearFutureSpacecraft/Parts/Command/utilityCabin/utilityCabin
		position = 1.3,-0.08,9.562
		rotation = 270,285,0
	}
	MODEL
	{
		model = NearFutureSpacecraft/Parts/Command/utilityCabin/utilityCabin
		position = 2.5,-0.08,9.062
		rotation = 270,300,0
	}
	MODEL
	{
		model = NearFutureSpacecraft/Parts/Command/utilityCabin/utilityCabin
		position = 3.6,-0.08,8.262
		rotation = 270,315,0
	}
	MODEL
	{
		model = NearFutureSpacecraft/Parts/Command/utilityCabin/utilityCabin
		position = 4.4,-0.08,7.162
		rotation = 270,330,0
	}
	MODEL
	{
		model = NearFutureSpacecraft/Parts/Command/utilityCabin/utilityCabin
		position = -1.3,-0.08,9.562
		rotation = 270,255,0
	}
	MODEL
	{
		model = NearFutureSpacecraft/Parts/Command/utilityCabin/utilityCabin
		position = -2.5,-0.08,9.062
		rotation = 270,240,0
	}
	MODEL
	{
		model = NearFutureSpacecraft/Parts/Command/utilityCabin/utilityCabin
		position = -3.6,-0.08,8.262
		rotation = 270,225,0
	}
	MODEL
	{
		model = NearFutureSpacecraft/Parts/Command/utilityCabin/utilityCabin
		position = -4.5,-0.08,7.162
		rotation = 270,210,0
	}
	MODEL
	{
		model = Squad/Parts/FuelTank/fuelTankT800/model
		position = 1.237,-0.08,0
		scale = 1.25,1.25,1.25
		rotation = 0,180,90
	}
	MODEL
	{
		model = NearFutureElectrical/Parts/Capacitors/capacitor-25/capacitor-25
		position = 0,-0.118,0
	}
	MODEL
	{
		model = Squad/Parts/Science/LargeCrewedLab/large_crewed_lab
		position = 0,-2.107,0
	}
	MODEL
	{
		model = Squad/Parts/FuelTank/fuelTankT800/model
		position = 4.987,-0.08,0
		scale = 1.25,1.25,1.25
		rotation = 270,90,0
	}
	MODEL
	{
		model = Squad/Parts/FuelTank/fuelTankT800/model
		position = 8.762,-0.08,0
		scale = 1.25,1.25,1.25
		rotation = 270,270,0
	}
	MODEL
	{
		model = NearFuturePropulsion/Parts/Hydrogen/hydrogen-25/hydrogen-25-3
		position = 9.762,-0.08,0
		rotation = 270,0,0
	}
	MODEL
	{
		model = NearFutureSpacecraft/Parts/Command/utilityCabin/utilityCabin
		position = 9.562,-0.08,-1.3
		rotation = 270,15,0
	}
	MODEL
	{
		model = NearFutureSpacecraft/Parts/Command/utilityCabin/utilityCabin
		position = 9.062,-0.08,-2.5
		rotation = 270,30,0
	}
	MODEL
	{
		model = NearFutureSpacecraft/Parts/Command/utilityCabin/utilityCabin
		position = 8.262,-0.08,-3.6
		rotation = 270,45,0
	}
	MODEL
	{
		model = NearFutureSpacecraft/Parts/Command/utilityCabin/utilityCabin
		position = 7.162,-0.08,-4.4
		rotation = 270,60,0
	}
	MODEL
	{
		model = NearFutureSpacecraft/Parts/Command/utilityCabin/utilityCabin
		position = 9.562,-0.08,1.3
		rotation = 270,345,0
	}
	MODEL
	{
		model = NearFutureSpacecraft/Parts/Command/utilityCabin/utilityCabin
		position = 9.062,-0.08,2.5
		rotation = 270,330,0
	}
	MODEL
	{
		model = NearFutureSpacecraft/Parts/Command/utilityCabin/utilityCabin
		position = 8.262,-0.08,3.6
		rotation = 270,315,0
	}
	MODEL
	{
		model = NearFutureSpacecraft/Parts/Command/utilityCabin/utilityCabin
		position = 7.162,-0.08,4.5
		rotation = 270,300,0
	}
	MODEL
	{
		model = Squad/Parts/FuelTank/fuelTankT800/model
		position = 0,-0.08,-1.237
		scale = 1.25,1.25,1.25
		rotation = 0,270,90
	}
	MODEL
	{
		model = Squad/Parts/FuelTank/fuelTankT800/model
		position = 0,-0.08,-4.987
		scale = 1.25,1.25,1.25
		rotation = 270,180,0
	}
	MODEL
	{
		model = Squad/Parts/FuelTank/fuelTankT800/model
		position = 0,-0.08,-8.762
		scale = 1.25,1.25,1.25
		rotation = 270,0,0
	}
	MODEL
	{
		model = NearFuturePropulsion/Parts/Hydrogen/hydrogen-25/hydrogen-25-3
		position = 0,-0.08,-9.762
		rotation = 270,90,0
	}
	MODEL
	{
		model = NearFutureSpacecraft/Parts/Command/utilityCabin/utilityCabin
		position = -1.3,-0.08,-9.562
		rotation = 270,105,0
	}
	MODEL
	{
		model = NearFutureSpacecraft/Parts/Command/utilityCabin/utilityCabin
		position = -2.5,-0.08,-9.062
		rotation = 270,120,0
	}
	MODEL
	{
		model = NearFutureSpacecraft/Parts/Command/utilityCabin/utilityCabin
		position = -3.6,-0.08,-8.262
		rotation = 270,135,0
	}
	MODEL
	{
		model = NearFutureSpacecraft/Parts/Command/utilityCabin/utilityCabin
		position = -4.4,-0.08,-7.162
		rotation = 270,150,0
	}
	MODEL
	{
		model = NearFutureSpacecraft/Parts/Command/utilityCabin/utilityCabin
		position = 1.3,-0.08,-9.562
		rotation = 270,75,0
	}
	MODEL
	{
		model = NearFutureSpacecraft/Parts/Command/utilityCabin/utilityCabin
		position = 2.5,-0.08,-9.062
		rotation = 270,60,0
	}
	MODEL
	{
		model = NearFutureSpacecraft/Parts/Command/utilityCabin/utilityCabin
		position = 3.6,-0.08,-8.262
		rotation = 270,45,0
	}
	MODEL
	{
		model = NearFutureSpacecraft/Parts/Command/utilityCabin/utilityCabin
		position = 4.5,-0.08,-7.162
		rotation = 270,30,0
	}
	MODEL
	{
		model = Squad/Parts/FuelTank/fuelTankT800/model
		position = 1.3,-0.094,1.3
		scale = 1.25,1.25,1.25
		rotation = 270,135,0
	}
	MODEL
	{
		model = Squad/Parts/FuelTank/fuelTankT800/model
		position = 1.3,-0.094,-1.3
		scale = 1.25,1.25,1.25
		rotation = 270,225,0
	}
	MODEL
	{
		model = Squad/Parts/FuelTank/fuelTankT800/model
		position = -1.3,-0.094,-1.3
		scale = 1.25,1.25,1.25
		rotation = 270,315,0
	}
	MODEL
	{
		model = Squad/Parts/FuelTank/fuelTankT800/model
		position = -1.3,-0.094,1.3
		scale = 1.25,1.25,1.25
		rotation = 270,45,0
	}
	MODEL
	{
		model = StationPartsExpansion/Parts/Structural/crewtube-25-375/crewtube-25-375-1
		texture = crew375-1-blank, StationPartsExpansion/Parts/Command/crewpod-habitation-375/crewtube-375-1
		texture = crew375-1-blank-n_NRM, StationPartsExpansion/Parts/Command/crewpod-habitation-375/crewtube-375-1-n_NRM
		texture = crew25-1-blank, StationPartsExpansion/Parts/Structural/crewtube-125-25/crewtube-25-1
		texture = crew25-1-blank-n_NRM, StationPartsExpansion/Parts/Structural/crewtube-125-25/crewtube-25-1-n_NRM
		position = 0,2.655,0
	}
	MODEL
	{
		model = Squad/Parts/Command/advancedSasModuleLarge/model
		position = 0,3.777,0
	}
	RESOURCE
	{
		name = XenonGas
		amount = 201600
		maxAmount = 201600
	}
	RESOURCE
	{
		name = LiquidFuel
		amount = 5760
		maxAmount = 5760
	}
	RESOURCE
	{
		name = Oxidizer
		amount = 7040
		maxAmount = 7040
	}
	RESOURCE
	{
		name = LqdHydrogen
		amount = 39600
		maxAmount = 39600
	}
	RESOURCE
	{
		name = ElectricCharge
		amount = 19200
		maxAmount = 19200
	}
	RESOURCE
	{
		name = StoredCharge
		amount = 32000
		maxAmount = 32000
	}
	MODULE
	{
		name = ModuleScienceContainer
		reviewActionName = Review Stored Data
		storeActionName = Store Experiments
		evaOnlyStorage = True
		storageRange = 1.8
		collectActionName = Take Data
		allowRepeatedSubjects = True
	}
	MODULE
	{
		name = ModuleScienceExperiment
		experimentID = crewReport
		experimentActionName = Crew Report
		resetActionName = Discard Crew Report
		reviewActionName = Review Report
		useStaging = False
		useActionGroups = True
		hideUIwhenUnavailable = True
		rerunnable = True
		xmitDataScalar = 1
		usageReqMaskInternal = 165
		usageReqMaskExternal = -33
	}
	MODULE
	{
		name = ModuleAnimateGeneric
		animationName = CrewTube-25-375-Windows
		startEventGUIName = Lights On
		endEventGUIName = Lights Off
	}
	MODULE
	{
		name = ModuleGenerator
		isAlwaysActive = True
		OUTPUT_RESOURCE
		{
			name = ElectricCharge
			rate = 14.4
		}
	}
	MODULE
	{
		name = FlagDecal
		textureQuadName = Flag
	}
	MODULE
	{
		name = DischargeCapacitor
		ChargeRatio = 1
		ChargeRate = 32
		DischargeRate = 3200
		MaximumCharge = 32000
		ChargeAnimation = Capacitor_InlineLarge
	}
	MODULE
	{
		name = ModuleScienceLab
		containerModuleIndex = 0
		dataStorage = 500
		crewsRequired = 1
		canResetConnectedModules = True
		canResetNearbyModules = True
		interactionRange = 5
		SurfaceBonus = 0.1
		ContextBonus = 0.25
		homeworldMultiplier = 0.1
		RESOURCE_PROCESS
		{
			name = ElectricCharge
			amount = 10
		}
	}
	MODULE
	{
		name = ModuleScienceConverter
		scientistBonus = 0.25
		researchTime = 7
		scienceMultiplier = 5
		scienceCap = 500
		powerRequirement = 5
		ConverterName = Research
		StartActionName = Start Research
		StopActionName = Stop Research
	}
	MODULE
	{
		name = ModuleReactionWheel
		PitchTorque = 20
		YawTorque = 20
		RollTorque = 20
		RESOURCE
		{
			name = ElectricCharge
			rate = 0.5
		}
	}
	MODULE
	{
		name = ModuleSAS
	}
}

Edited July 21, 2015 by Alewx

Alrightman · July 21, 2015

Ok that is more then dumb, I found the problem and so far welding is not able to work around that because I believe it will not be just with the bab but some other parts also.
So the actual thing is: the lab is looking for the scienceContainer in the part and expects it to be the very first module in the part, ever and always.
The easiest solution is modifiiing the partfile so that the scienceContainer is in firstplace, and make the lab the rootpart of the weldment before welding.

Oh great! Currently I am working on a funky looking refueling station. I didn't know whenever if I should have gone 2001 Discovery One look or Star Wars so I kinda meshed both up.

Since I'm new on the forums, I don't know where to post my average builds, should I make a thread on a subforum or make a blog entry or something?

Alewx · July 22, 2015

Oh great! Currently I am working on a funky looking refueling station. I didn't know whenever if I should have gone 2001 Discovery One look or Star Wars so I kinda meshed both up.
Since I'm new on the forums, I don't know where to post my average builds, should I make a thread on a subforum or make a blog entry or something?

You can post it in one of the threads of the mods you used, or in the subforum for spacecrafts and there was even an dedicated thread for showcases of spacecrafts but I can't find it right now.

Alewx · July 31, 2015

Pre Final 2.2.0 dev release

So if you guys report any bugs in this version I will get them done and then it will be the official release of it, so please tell me here or in the github with issues about it.

larkvi · August 1, 2015

Thank you for continuing the good work! I will try it out.

What does "final Version of scaling for models implemented to work now with every damn configuration that is possible out there" specifically refer to? Procedural Parts?

HafCoJoe · August 1, 2015

Woah! You know, this thread has never failed to impress me. I've been doing my routine post-release mod check up and saw that Welding was unavailable for 1.0.4... I then go to the last page and see that you are actively preparing and sharing your progress and just posted a dev version earlier today. Awesome work.

Avera9eJoe OUT!

Alewx · August 1, 2015

Thank you for continuing the good work! I will try it out.
What does "final Version of scaling for models implemented to work now with every damn configuration that is possible out there" specifically refer to? Procedural Parts?

It refers to tweakscale that gave me some trouble due to the different configuration offensichtlich parts that are possible.

Woah! You know, this thread has never failed to impress me. I've been doing my routine post-release mod check up and saw that Welding was unavailable for 1.0.4... I then go to the last page and see that you are actively preparing and sharing your progress and just posted a dev version earlier today. Awesome work.
Avera9eJoe OUT!

Thanks mate. Well I don't know what Girka2k is doing but he is watching the forum from time to time, but not saying anything, so I can't update the thread.

Edited August 1, 2015 by Alewx

Grossbeer · August 1, 2015

holy .... you are heroes! I was just wondering why my 1.0.4 Version runs more slowly than my 0.25 version (same mods) and was thinking about falling back to 0.25. You sirs are 1.0.4 saver :-)

gonna do some testing with the dev Version immediatly

Errol · August 1, 2015

Thanks mate. Well I don't know what Girka2k is doing but he is watching the forum from time to time, but not saying anything, so I can't update the thread.

Perhaps a new thread/fork for release?

mAAAd · August 2, 2015

hello

here is my welded parts, crafts and modlist which i have installed for KSP 1.0.4

https://yadi.sk/d/VeeSt9G0iEBoi

https://yadi.sk/i/2CQ148uCiEBwe

crafts 000 and 001 are identical.

i send it to you as feedback.

the next trouble i have when try to orbit my crafts. when i start first (via hyperedit) - its ok. when i start second one - first is destroied totally. i hear explosion and then i see that first craft isn't here anymore)))

the same one is happened when i try to select any of these ships from tracking station - when double-click and go to it - its explode, but exploded only welded part of ship.

welded part consists of structural elements, fuel tanks, battery block, sas and unmanned module. ship in total have 3 dock port additionally to welded part.

please help - where can kraken hide? i need bust this insatiable monster...

Alewx · August 2, 2015

hello
here is my welded parts, crafts and modlist which i have installed for KSP 1.0.4
https://yadi.sk/d/VeeSt9G0iEBoi
https://yadi.sk/i/2CQ148uCiEBwe
crafts 000 and 001 are identical.
i send it to you as feedback.
the next trouble i have when try to orbit my crafts. when i start first (via hyperedit) - its ok. when i start second one - first is destroied totally. i hear explosion and then i see that first craft isn't here anymore)))
the same one is happened when i try to select any of these ships from tracking station - when double-click and go to it - its explode, but exploded only welded part of ship.
welded part consists of structural elements, fuel tanks, battery block, sas and unmanned module. ship in total have 3 dock port additionally to welded part.
please help - where can kraken hide? i need bust this insatiable monster...

Thanks for the info, may I ask before I start searching in it, did you try to weld procedural parts?

Also which mods are KerbalTek(Hyperedit, ok forgot it.) and KipEng(totally new to me)?

So far I can only see two fings that are possibly breaking your weldments, the use of kerbalpaint, and procedural parts.

Procedural parts do not contain any models, so there is nothing that can be welded.

Edited August 2, 2015 by Alewx

mAAAd · August 3, 2015

Thanks for the info, may I ask before I start searching in it, did you try to weld procedural parts?
Also which mods are KerbalTek(Hyperedit, ok forgot it.) and KipEng(totally new to me)?
So far I can only see two fings that are possibly breaking your weldments, the use of kerbalpaint, and procedural parts.
Procedural parts do not contain any models, so there is nothing that can be welded.

KipEng is Universal Docking Port Set - here is thread for it:

http://forum.kerbalspaceprogram.com/threads/73005-0-23-5-Kip-Engineering-NEW%21-Universal-Docking-Port-Set-v0-9-1-%282nd-Apr-2014%29

i dont use them.

i dont use procedural parts also - i read limitation. what about kerbalpaint - i firstly add this mod, but later - remove, i dont use it. after remove i load craft and ksp dont ask me for missing mods. i use tweakscale and i manually edit welded part config and craft - via notepad. i need custom scale - it should be very big part.

ps

i has a tho' that ships are superimposed... when i orbit them via hyperedit. and second destroy first. today i build it anew - big solid part - and check. it is so. im sorry((

now i will test with more crafts, selecting craft from tracking station and craft with docking ports

pss issue with destroing crafts is solved, but when selecting ship from tracking station - it is exploded with message "welded part exploded due overheating". ship consists of weldment and 3 dockports. only weldment is destoied.

will try to edit config to decide this problem.

Edited August 3, 2015 by mAAAd

mAAAd · August 3, 2015

Alewx

the problems i have wasnt in your mod i think. sorry for disturbing.

i have yet one problem with rescaling, but is your mod a reason - dont know.

i edit field "rescaleFactor" in config of weldment (set it equal 3) and part is scaling right. i orbit it succesful, but when i restart game - my craft looking as rescaleFactor sets back to 1... all crafts of this type... but dockports scaling right again, their rescaleFactor doesnt set back

before

https://yadi.sk/i/Mfcvg9I7iFaN7

after

https://yadi.sk/i/tyIPK3YtiFaPY

Edited August 3, 2015 by mAAAd

Alewx · August 4, 2015

Sorry that I didn't answer earlier.

Spent half yesterday evening and night in hospital due to some massive hearing loss on the right side.

@mAAAd, that is something really strange, the rescaleFactor is something that is made by KSP and should always work.

I have never read of anything similar to that.

In Github I also got an Report about wrong mass and resource amounts related to Tweakscale, so maybe these things are related, but that is liekly to be just wishful thinking.

mAAAd · August 4, 2015

hi, Alewx, tnx for all. i want to say one more thing - anf it is about your mod 100%

firstly i create a simple welded part, consists of panels 2x2 only. then i edit it manually to set custom scale for each panel and got this one

https://yadi.sk/i/pmmdfmxfiGmdR

its beautiful) here is a part of config with scale values for each panel

MODEL
    {
        model = Squad/Parts/Structural/structuralPanel2x2/model
        position = 0,23,0
        scale = 72,72,72
    }
    MODEL
    {
        model = Squad/Parts/Structural/structuralPanel2x2/model
        position = -0,14,-71
        scale = 8,8,72
        rotation = 0,270,270
    }
    MODEL
    {
        model = Squad/Parts/Structural/structuralPanel2x2/model
        position = 0,14,71
        rotation = 0,270,270
        scale = 8,8,72
    }
    MODEL
    {
        model = Squad/Parts/Structural/structuralPanel2x2/model
        position = -0,32,-71
        scale = 8,8,72
        rotation = 0,270,90
    }
    MODEL
    {
        model = Squad/Parts/Structural/structuralPanel2x2/model
        position = 0,32,71
        scale = 8,8,72
        rotation = 0,270,90
    }










    MODEL
    {
        model = Squad/Parts/Structural/structuralPanel2x2/model
        position = 0,6,70
        scale = 1,1,72
        rotation = 0,90,0
    }
    MODEL
    {
        model = Squad/Parts/Structural/structuralPanel2x2/model
        position = 0,7,69
        scale = 1,1,72
        rotation = 0,270,90
    }
    MODEL
    {
        model = Squad/Parts/Structural/structuralPanel2x2/model
        position = -0,12,70
        scale = 1,1,72
        rotation = 0,90,0
    }
    MODEL
    {
        model = Squad/Parts/Structural/structuralPanel2x2/model
        position = -0,11,69
        scale = 1,1,72
        rotation = 0,270,270
    }
    MODEL
    {
        model = Squad/Parts/Structural/structuralPanel2x2/model
        position = -0,6,-70
        scale = 1,1,72
        rotation = 0,270,0
    }
    MODEL
    {
        model = Squad/Parts/Structural/structuralPanel2x2/model
        position = -0,7,-69
        scale = 1,1,72
        rotation = 0,90,90
    }
    MODEL
    {
        model = Squad/Parts/Structural/structuralPanel2x2/model
        position = -0,12,-70
        scale = 1,1,72
        rotation = 0,270,0
    }
    MODEL
    {
        model = Squad/Parts/Structural/structuralPanel2x2/model
        position = -0,11,-69
        scale = 1,1,72
        rotation = 0,90,270
    }












    MODEL
    {
        model = Squad/Parts/Structural/structuralPanel2x2/model
        position = -72,32,0
        scale = 8,8,8
        rotation = 0,0,90
    }
    MODEL
    {
        model = Squad/Parts/Structural/structuralPanel2x2/model
        position = 72,32,0
        scale = 8,8,8
        rotation = 0,0,91
    }
    MODEL
    {
        model = Squad/Parts/Structural/structuralPanel2x2/model
        position = -56,32,-63
        scale = 8,8,8
        rotation = 0,0,270
    }
    MODEL
    {
        model = Squad/Parts/Structural/structuralPanel2x2/model
        position = 56,32,-63
        scale = 8,8,8
        rotation = 0,0,270
    }
    MODEL
    {
        model = Squad/Parts/Structural/structuralPanel2x2/model
        position = -56,32,63
        scale = 8,8,8
        rotation = 0,180,270
    }
    MODEL
    {
        model = Squad/Parts/Structural/structuralPanel2x2/model
        position = 56,32,63
        scale = 8,8,8
        rotation = 0,0,270
    }

then i add some parts like a fuel tanks, command modules, additional structural parts, press Weld button and in new weldment i've got the scale for each panel from first weldment set to 1,1,1

here is a screen and code for it

https://yadi.sk/i/VHYIJrmOiGmwL - its a craft before weldment. consists of panels weldment and new parts (total 56 pcs)

https://yadi.sk/i/CMFI4TqWiGnPU - weldedment from craft

MODEL
    {
        model = Squad/Parts/Structural/structuralPanel2x2/model
        position = 0.108102,-8.961096,-0.042138
        scale = 1,1,1                should be [COLOR=#3E3E3E]72,72,72[/COLOR]
    }
    MODEL
    {
        model = Squad/Parts/Structural/structuralPanel2x2/model
        position = 0.108102,-17.9611,-71.04214
        scale = 1,1,1                should be [COLOR=#3E3E3E]8,8,72[/COLOR]
        rotation = 0,270,270
    }
    MODEL
    {
        model = Squad/Parts/Structural/structuralPanel2x2/model
        position = 0.108102,-17.9611,70.95786
        scale = 1,1,1                  should be [COLOR=#3E3E3E]8,8,72[/COLOR]
        rotation = 0,270,270
    }
    MODEL
    {
        model = Squad/Parts/Structural/structuralPanel2x2/model
        position = 0.108102,0.038904,-71.04214
        scale = 1,1,1                  should be [COLOR=#3E3E3E]8,8,72[/COLOR]
        rotation = 0,270,90
    }
    MODEL
    {
        model = Squad/Parts/Structural/structuralPanel2x2/model
        position = 0.108102,0.038904,70.95786
        scale = 1,1,1                  should be [COLOR=#3E3E3E]8,8,72[/COLOR]
        rotation = 0,270,90
    }

and so on

i need correct scale back to custom values after welding second craft. it is sad)

Alewx · August 4, 2015

hi, Alewx, tnx for all. i want to say one more thing - anf it is about your mod 100%

firstly i create a simple welded part, consists of panels 2x2 only. then i edit it manually to set custom scale for each panel and got this one

https://yadi.sk/i/pmmdfmxfiGmdR

its beautiful) here is a part of config with scale values for each panel

MODEL
    {
        model = Squad/Parts/Structural/structuralPanel2x2/model
        position = 0,23,0
        scale = 72,72,72
    }
    MODEL
    {
        model = Squad/Parts/Structural/structuralPanel2x2/model
        position = -0,14,-71
        scale = 8,8,72
        rotation = 0,270,270
    }
    MODEL
    {
        model = Squad/Parts/Structural/structuralPanel2x2/model
        position = 0,14,71
        rotation = 0,270,270
        scale = 8,8,72
    }
    MODEL
    {
        model = Squad/Parts/Structural/structuralPanel2x2/model
        position = -0,32,-71
        scale = 8,8,72
        rotation = 0,270,90
    }
    MODEL
    {
        model = Squad/Parts/Structural/structuralPanel2x2/model
        position = 0,32,71
        scale = 8,8,72
        rotation = 0,270,90
    }










    MODEL
    {
        model = Squad/Parts/Structural/structuralPanel2x2/model
        position = 0,6,70
        scale = 1,1,72
        rotation = 0,90,0
    }
    MODEL
    {
        model = Squad/Parts/Structural/structuralPanel2x2/model
        position = 0,7,69
        scale = 1,1,72
        rotation = 0,270,90
    }
    MODEL
    {
        model = Squad/Parts/Structural/structuralPanel2x2/model
        position = -0,12,70
        scale = 1,1,72
        rotation = 0,90,0
    }
    MODEL
    {
        model = Squad/Parts/Structural/structuralPanel2x2/model
        position = -0,11,69
        scale = 1,1,72
        rotation = 0,270,270
    }
    MODEL
    {
        model = Squad/Parts/Structural/structuralPanel2x2/model
        position = -0,6,-70
        scale = 1,1,72
        rotation = 0,270,0
    }
    MODEL
    {
        model = Squad/Parts/Structural/structuralPanel2x2/model
        position = -0,7,-69
        scale = 1,1,72
        rotation = 0,90,90
    }
    MODEL
    {
        model = Squad/Parts/Structural/structuralPanel2x2/model
        position = -0,12,-70
        scale = 1,1,72
        rotation = 0,270,0
    }
    MODEL
    {
        model = Squad/Parts/Structural/structuralPanel2x2/model
        position = -0,11,-69
        scale = 1,1,72
        rotation = 0,90,270
    }












    MODEL
    {
        model = Squad/Parts/Structural/structuralPanel2x2/model
        position = -72,32,0
        scale = 8,8,8
        rotation = 0,0,90
    }
    MODEL
    {
        model = Squad/Parts/Structural/structuralPanel2x2/model
        position = 72,32,0
        scale = 8,8,8
        rotation = 0,0,91
    }
    MODEL
    {
        model = Squad/Parts/Structural/structuralPanel2x2/model
        position = -56,32,-63
        scale = 8,8,8
        rotation = 0,0,270
    }
    MODEL
    {
        model = Squad/Parts/Structural/structuralPanel2x2/model
        position = 56,32,-63
        scale = 8,8,8
        rotation = 0,0,270
    }
    MODEL
    {
        model = Squad/Parts/Structural/structuralPanel2x2/model
        position = -56,32,63
        scale = 8,8,8
        rotation = 0,180,270
    }
    MODEL
    {
        model = Squad/Parts/Structural/structuralPanel2x2/model
        position = 56,32,63
        scale = 8,8,8
        rotation = 0,0,270
    }

then i add some parts like a fuel tanks, command modules, additional structural parts, press Weld button and in new weldment i've got the scale for each panel from first weldment set to 1,1,1

here is a screen and code for it

https://yadi.sk/i/VHYIJrmOiGmwL - its a craft before weldment. consists of panels weldment and new parts (total 56 pcs)

https://yadi.sk/i/CMFI4TqWiGnPU - weldedment from craft

MODEL
    {
        model = Squad/Parts/Structural/structuralPanel2x2/model
        position = 0.108102,-8.961096,-0.042138
        scale = 1,1,1                should be [COLOR=#3E3E3E]72,72,72[/COLOR]
    }
    MODEL
    {
        model = Squad/Parts/Structural/structuralPanel2x2/model
        position = 0.108102,-17.9611,-71.04214
        scale = 1,1,1                should be [COLOR=#3E3E3E]8,8,72[/COLOR]
        rotation = 0,270,270
    }
    MODEL
    {
        model = Squad/Parts/Structural/structuralPanel2x2/model
        position = 0.108102,-17.9611,70.95786
        scale = 1,1,1                  should be [COLOR=#3E3E3E]8,8,72[/COLOR]
        rotation = 0,270,270
    }
    MODEL
    {
        model = Squad/Parts/Structural/structuralPanel2x2/model
        position = 0.108102,0.038904,-71.04214
        scale = 1,1,1                  should be [COLOR=#3E3E3E]8,8,72[/COLOR]
        rotation = 0,270,90
    }
    MODEL
    {
        model = Squad/Parts/Structural/structuralPanel2x2/model
        position = 0.108102,0.038904,70.95786
        scale = 1,1,1                  should be [COLOR=#3E3E3E]8,8,72[/COLOR]
        rotation = 0,270,90
    }

and so on

i need correct scale back to custom values after welding second craft. it is sad)

Ha now I got it, thanks to your explantation. You try to weld already welded parts, that is always getting you wrong results, you need to do the weldment in just one go, as sad as it is.

You can modifiy the freescaleing of Tweakscale for more flexibility in your parts, but that is all you can do. after a few times you get the hang out of it how to prepare the carfs best for weldment but it takes some time.

mAAAd · August 5, 2015

ok, Alewx, tnx for u one more times

i have tho' that wrong scaling is a bug due to rewelding already welded parts. i thougth that it is possible to fix on mod-level by you. if no - thanks for explanation.

Alewx · August 5, 2015

ok, Alewx, tnx for u one more times
i have tho' that wrong scaling is a bug due to rewelding already welded parts. i thougth that it is possible to fix on mod-level by you. if no - thanks for explanation.

Sadly nope, so far no solution for this, there is currently only a way to handle welding weldments or welding regular parts. But both at the same time just does not work, sorry.

Felbourn · August 8, 2015

Sometimes surface-attached parts are not getting a position set correctly. It's either 0,0,0 or NaN,NaN,NaN. One example where I can get it repeatedly is on this part from Station Parts Expansion

using this part from Surface Lights

Alewx · August 8, 2015

Sometimes surface-attached parts are not getting a position set correctly. It's either 0,0,0 or NaN,NaN,NaN. One example where I can get it repeatedly is on this part from Station Parts Expansion
http://i.imgur.com/iIK4ZC8.png
using this part from Surface Lights
http://i.imgur.com/0CnJWJp.png

That is pretty new, thanks for the info. Before we only had the problem of NAN with small structural parts as root.

Space Scumbag · August 9, 2015

Hey guys,

one question, do you think it is possible to reverse the process? I mean unwelding the welded part and getting a craft file. Today, I made a stupid mistake and deleted my save with the craft, only the weldpart surived.

Alewx · August 10, 2015

Hey guys,
one question, do you think it is possible to reverse the process? I mean unwelding the welded part and getting a craft file. Today, I made a stupid mistake and deleted my save with the craft, only the weldpart surived.

Welding builds the part file directly from the parts in the scene not from a craft file, but it could be possible to generate a part combination from the models of the weldment.

But that is something completly different that what it does right now.

allmhuran · August 10, 2015

Anyone have any ideas as to why mirror symmetry does not seem to work with welded parts? I've been working around the problem for ages now, never thought to check here

Actually I think I know why. It's not a problem with the mod, it's just that KSP can't really mirror a part as such it can only mirror the attachment point.

PS: If I create craft files that makes use of welded parts, am I free to distribute them and the parts? I'd like to release my mechs but they are extensively welded and edited both to keep the part count down and so that they are able to work with infernal robotics.

Edited August 10, 2015 by allmhuran

Recognize-Me- · August 11, 2015

So this mod won't work with 1.04? Cause the Weld button isn't showing up in the stock toolbar for me

Felbourn · August 12, 2015

I use 1.0.4 and weld all the time. Must be your config or an exception, like a reflection issue or something. Check your error log.

[1.4.*] [2.5.3] (2018-04-06) UbioZur Welding Ltd. Continued

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