[Stock Helicopters & Turboprops] Non DLC Will Always Be More Fun!

Azimech · March 19, 2015

Nice! And I love the dropping of those cars!

Azimech · April 4, 2015

New airplane added! Check the OP!

Azimech · April 16, 2015

Added two planes to the family:

Download link:

http://kerbalx.com/Azimech

Lothsahn · April 27, 2015

Looks like the 1.0 release broke all of the joints. My propeller shoots out of the prop now, and all of yours fall out.

Azimech · May 17, 2015

We can update our engines with replacing all of the LY10 gears with the LY05. But the basic jet engine is useless now. I really hate the package of the turbojet, it's much too large.

I'm thinking of starting a mod.

Yukon0009 · May 18, 2015

dis is KSP, we WILL find a way!

Experimenting on pistons myself- trying to get one to work over a minute.

Azimech · May 19, 2015

That's great, Yukon! I'm looking forward to see your designs!

Meanwhile, here's a preview of my newest twin:

Modlist: Procedural Parts, Procedural Parts Extended, Procedural Fairings, Infernal Robotics, Internal Combustion Engine Construction Kit, Tweakscale, Smart Parts, The Colliders Strike Back.

The ignition isn't working yet, but Firov is close in completing his work on the proximity sensor!

And here are the last of the 0.90 aircraft I made last month:

http://kerbalx.com/Azimech/77I-Azi7-Whistling-Ghoul

This one has my high speed record: 155 m/s.

http://kerbalx.com/Azimech/77I-Azi8-Howling-Harpy

And this one is the same model, parts reduced but with a pilot, for use in wargames.

http://kerbalx.com/Azimech/77I-Azi9-Nagging-Nix

And my last complex design, though less quick than Azi8:

http://kerbalx.com/Azimech/77I-Azi10-Shouting-Spectre

And it resulted in this minimalist UAV, it's very fast and has a superb part count:

http://kerbalx.com/Azimech/77I-UAV1

I also updated my first helicopter. Increased power, range, horizontal speed. Reduced mass and part count.

http://kerbalx.com/Azimech/77I-5H1-11

I feel I want to ask Squad if we can have a short engine model like the basic jet engine, but with the performance of the turbojet. I really wouldn't like to have to build with a bigger radius than the old designs.

And Squad really needs to get rid of the occluded engine rule.

Edited May 19, 2015 by Azimech

Roflcopterkklol · May 19, 2015

I would love to know who it is that rates all the threads 1 star...

Jon144 · May 19, 2015

Should have seen it coming. I knew deep down squad would make some small seemingly innocent changes that drastically impact our creative abilities.

I am not giving up on stock yet. I have some good bearings using the small landing gear and I sm sure I can build neat stuff with them.

Like you I am seriously dissapointed as my pre-version 1 projects got crippled. I had a high capability mega truck using basic turboshafts for axel power I was going to release. Maybe squad will one day add hinge parts or freely rotating stuff to make our lives easier. Luckily these old designs were documented when they still worked to be seen in the history books.

It was going to be so awesome...

Edited May 19, 2015 by Jon144

Azimech · May 19, 2015

It's still awesome! Do you steer by using brakes as well? Here's my "little" thing, never released it (and probably never will).

Edited May 19, 2015 by Azimech

fire219 · June 1, 2015

I'm currently doing my own 1.0.2 testing, but using minimal mods (only IR, for its free-spinning bearing).

No success with flight yet, but I am making non-insignificant amounts of thrust.

(Maybe I can crack this, due to the fact that I never did this in 0.90 or prior, so i am not stuck in a previous way of turboprop thinking )

Azimech · June 23, 2015

1.0.3 Has renewed the potential for stock turboshaft development!

Here's my newest prototype. Built in half and hour and ran immediately!

Instead of the basic jet engines I use the turbo ramjet engines. Fuel consumption is horrible. We'll never get 0.90 performance back, time to create a new standard.

Azimech · June 24, 2015

Check out the new overheating shader!

Edited June 28, 2015 by Azimech

Jon144 · June 28, 2015

Amazing job bringing this back built just like how I had imagined. Now the problem is 1.0.4's lower drag and lower lift. Would have to see how fast this could actually take something.

Still... It is sad how inefficient this sort of engine is now.

Azimech · June 28, 2015

And here's the first airplane prototype in 1.04 which flies. Max speed a mediocre 75 m/s at 6500m.

Alas, no longer 100% stock: to cope with the increased drag and decreased thrust, I've written my own engine(blower) config.

The blower is a mix between the basic jet engine and the turbo-ramjet. You can use it if you like and please share your experiences.

instructions: copy the code into a new text file, save as jetengineadvanced.cfg and put in Gamedata/Squad/Parts/Engine/Basicjetengine


PART
{
	name = JetEngineAdvanced
	module = Part
	author = C. Jenkins
	mesh = model.mu
	node_stack_top = 0.0, 0.7783, 0.0, 0.0, 1.0, 0.0
	CoMOffset = 0.0, 2.3, 0.0
	TechRequired = aviation
	entryCost = 50000
	cost = 10000
	category = Engine
	subcategory = 0
	title = TB1 Turboshaft Blower
	manufacturer = 77 Industries
	description = A blower for building turboshaft engines. Much more power than the turbo-ramjet, but heats up easily. 
	attachRules = 1,0,1,1,0
	mass = 1.0
	// heatConductivity = 0.06 // half default
	skinInternalConductionMult = 4.0
	emissiveConstant = 0.8 // engine nozzles are good at radiating.
	dragModelType = default
	maximum_drag = 0.2
	minimum_drag = 0.2
	angularDrag = 2
	crashTolerance = 7
	maxTemp = 2000 // = 3600
	bulkheadProfiles = size1
	MODULE
	{
		name = ModuleEnginesFX
		engineID = Cruise
		thrustVectorTransformName = thrustTransform
		exhaustDamage = True
		ignitionThreshold = 0.1
		minThrust = 0
		maxThrust = 600
		heatProduction = 125
		useEngineResponseTime = True
		engineAccelerationSpeed = 0.8
		engineDecelerationSpeed = 0.8
		useVelocityCurve = False
		fxOffset = 0, 0, 1
		flameoutEffectName = flameout
		powerEffectName = running_thrust
		runningEffectName = shockDiamond
		engageEffectName = engage
		disengageEffectName = disengage
		spoolEffectName = running_turbine
		engineSpoolIdle = 0.05
		engineSpoolTime = 2.0
		EngineType = Turbine
		PROPELLANT
		{
			name = LiquidFuel
			resourceFlowMode = STAGE_PRIORITY_FLOW
			ratio = 0.5
			DrawGauge = True
		}
		PROPELLANT
		{
			name = IntakeAir
			ignoreForIsp = True
			ratio = 7
		}
		atmosphereCurve
		{
			key = 0 19200 0 0
		}
		// Jet params
		atmChangeFlow = True
		useVelCurve = False
		useAtmCurve = True
		flameoutBar = 0.02
		machLimit = 0.75
		machHeatMult = 3.5
		velCurve
		{
			key = 0 1 
			key = 0.35 1 
			key = 0.8 1
			key = 0.9 0
			key = 1.0 0 

		}
		atmCurve
		{
			key = 0 0 0 0
			key = 0.1 0.1 
			key = 0.3 0.5
			key = 0.5 1 
			key = 1 1 
		}
	}
	MODULE
	{
		name = ModuleAnimateHeat
		ThermalAnim = HeatAnimationEmissiveJet
	}

	MODULE
	{
		name = ModuleAlternator
		RESOURCE
		{
			name = ElectricCharge
			rate = 0.5
		}
	}

	MODULE
	{
		name = ModuleSurfaceFX
		thrustProviderModuleIndex = 0
		fxMax = 0.5
		maxDistance = 20
		falloff = 2
		thrustTransformName = thrustTransform
	}
	EFFECTS
	{		
		running_thrust
		{			
			AUDIO
			{
				channel = Ship
				clip = sound_jet_deep
				volume = 0.0 0.0
				volume = 0.05 0.4
				volume = 1.0 1.0
				pitch = 0.0 0.9
				pitch = 1.0 2.5
				loop = true
			}
			//PREFAB_PARTICLE
			//{
			//	prefabName = fx_smokeTrail_light
			//	transformName = thrustTransform
			//	emission = 0.0 0.0
			//	emission = 0.05 0.0
			//	emission = 0.075 0.01
			//	emission = 1.0 0.25
			//	speed = 0.0 0.25
			//	speed = 1.0 1.0
			//	localOffset = 0, 0, 1
			//	localRotation = 1, 0, 0, -90
			//}					
		}
		shockDiamond
		{
			MODEL_MULTI_PARTICLE
			{
				modelName = Squad/FX/afterburner_shock
				transformName = thrustTransform
				emission = 0.0 0.0
				emission = 0.4 0.1
				emission = 0.6 0.6
				emission = 1 1
				speed = 0.4 0.1
				speed = 0.6 0.2
				speed = 1.0 0.3
			}
		}
		running_turbine
		{
			AUDIO
			{
				channel = Ship
				clip = sound_jet_low
				volume = 0.0 0.0
				volume = 0.05 0.7
				volume = 1.0 1.0
				pitch = 0.0 0.1
				pitch = 0.05 0.5
				pitch = 1.0 2.5
				loop = true
			}

		MODEL_MULTI_PARTICLE
			{
				modelName = Squad/FX/afterburner_flame
				transformName = thrustTransform
				emission = 0.0 0.0
				emission = 0.2 0.1
				emission = 0.6 0.6
				emission = 1.0 1.0
				speed = 0.0 0.1
				speed = 1.0 0.3
			}
		}
		engage
		{
			AUDIO
			{
				channel = Ship
				clip = sound_vent_medium
				volume = 1.0
				pitch = 2.5
				loop = false
			}
		}
		disengage
		{
			AUDIO
			{
				channel = Ship
				clip = sound_vent_soft
				volume = 1.0
				pitch = 2.5
				loop = false
			}
		}
		flameout
		{
			PREFAB_PARTICLE
			{
				prefabName = fx_exhaustSparks_flameout_2
				transformName = thrustTransform
				oneShot = false
			}
			AUDIO
			{
				channel = Ship
				clip = sound_explosion_low
				volume = 1.0
				pitch = 1.0
				loop = false
			}
		}
	}
}

Edited June 28, 2015 by Azimech

Jon144 · June 29, 2015

It is really amazing you have this working again but so far less that it is no longer possible in stock. Which is why this was all so glamorous in the first place.

Hoddd9000 · June 29, 2015

I've managed to build a Ducted Fan prototype, need to do some thrust tests, but it spins like... well... a jet engine.

Also, I used the small gears from the 1.0, as they have no (or less) suspension.

I might need to use smaller wing sections for the fans, as they probably need a higher angle to operate.

Pics:

I used 48-7s engines to push the inner "fanblades", proved easier to fit than standard jet engines.

The Turbojet is just for FX

Azimech · June 29, 2015

Yeah, it's a loss. But one day we'll have fluid dynamics, and then we can really rock & roll!

- - - Updated - - -

Very nice! If you're interested, keep following this thread. In the mean time, I challenge you to build a two-spool turbofan ;-)

JZ6 · July 25, 2015

Could someone provide me with a fairing based bearing or a really small one? I need it for my automatic drum reloader on my railgun thanks!

Azimech · July 25, 2015

That's great, you're working on an automatic reloader too!

Tell you what, I'm going to publish mine today. Stay tuned :-)

JZ6 · July 25, 2015

Hey man you are the one that got me into making bearings and stuff glad to hear from one of the greats!

Btw how does yours work? My idea is for it to automatically dock after every shot so the bearing becomes part of the ship again.

Thingymajigy · July 26, 2015

Uhh, feel a bit dumb asking this but the jet engine exhaust damages the fan-thingies right?...so do you lag a lot when you press F3?

Azimech · July 26, 2015

Well ... they've removed the heating of parts from the jet engine blast, there is code that states that parts are being damaged, but the game doesn't use it.

Indeed, better don't press F3.

erasmusguy · July 26, 2015

there was this one on reddit http://i.imgur.com/1dnmdaO.jpg Ive not tried it yet to see how well it functions though.

Hoddd9000 · July 28, 2015

Already working on it :wink:

Think i might try using the really tiny fins for the blades. Then i might even fit a third spool in there

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