In Semiconductor, what is the bin?! How is it related to die? Why Lot is joined with device?

[bashar]

I am still new in Semiconductor field; While I know what is the Lot, wafer and the die. I still need to know what is the bin?! How is it related to die? Why Lot is joined with devices? How is it known devices related to Lot?
Is there any documentation about this?
I really need your help, any comment or link will be highly appreciated.

Edited December 12, 2016 by bashar

[softweir]

Hello and welcome to the forums!

Unfortunately I can't help. Are these English usages? If they are translations from another language then you may need to find out what the English equivalents are. Perhaps if you were to quote a few short passages using these terms then that would help people to help you.

Also, it would be a good idea to edit your post and change the title to start with "Semiconductors: " so as to attract the people who would have any sort of idea. In its present form, your title could refer to anything.

Good luck!

[Tex_NL]

The bin is where you throw the lot when your device is about to die.

No seriously. What the frag are you talking about?

[kerbiloid]

Antonym for txt.

[Guest]

Are you trying to communicate?

[sal_vager]

Guys, please only post if you're going to help.

Searching shows even Wikipedia has an article on this.

Quote

In semiconductor device fabrication, product binning is the categorizing of finished products based on their characteristics.

The bin is not a thing, it is a process of categorization.

Edit:

Process lots.

[Green Baron]

Hehe, oooops :-) ... maybe google is not the best search instance ?

I know binning from photography, espacially astrophotography. There it describes a process that combines adjacent pixels into a superpixel. Like 2*2 or 3*3 arrays, it reduces resolution but enhances sensitivity and signal/noise ratio.

I hate to link to Wikipedia, but this article might help you find out about how binning and die find together. I must admit i haven't thoroughly read it because i know little about these things.

:-)

 

Edited December 8, 2016 by Green Baron

[YNM]

I did thought this was gibberish as well - the forum can be unhelpful sometime then...

Bin as a verb is close to group, so probably it has something to do with that. No expert here.

Edited December 8, 2016 by YNM

[mikegarrison]

I think that maybe a forum for a space simulation game is probably not the best place to be asking these questions, but I guess you never know.

[wumpus]

In KSP we ask for flight line, never bins.  This is your only post?  Or are you hiding your username?

In case of hiding, "bins" are typically different products made on identical processes, presumably tested to different levels (rumour has it that most processes this century yield nearly identical chips.  Things weren't always so upto sometime in the 90s).  If you have 1GHz chip and a 2GHz chip that are otherwise identical, that is binning.

[tg626]

This looks like a robo-post.  In general terms it appears to be speaking about the manufacturing of semiconductors, as in transistors, or "chips" like CPUs or memory, however it has some of the grammar one might find on one of those sites that simply has pages with text spammed all over them (sometimes in the same font color as the background so you can't readily see it).

In any case, it's not KSP related.  Unless Mortimer has some sort of gray market semiconductor production going on in the R&D building to fund the space center. 

[sal_vager]

26 minutes ago, tg626 said:

This looks like a robo-post.

Don't worry, all new members are automatically moderated just in case.

[mikegarrison]

36 minutes ago, tg626 said:

This looks like a robo-post.  In general terms it appears to be speaking about the manufacturing of semiconductors, as in transistors, or "chips" like CPUs or memory, however it has some of the grammar one might find on one of those sites that simply has pages with text spammed all over them (sometimes in the same font color as the background so you can't readily see it).

In any case, it's not KSP related.  Unless Mortimer has some sort of gray market semiconductor production going on in the R&D building to fund the space center. 

Maybe it's the other way around. Maybe the entire Kerbal space program is just a cover for Mortimer's semiconductor scheme. That might explain why they keep sending these missions all over the solar system but only end up taking the temperature and checking the barometric pressure.

[kerbiloid]

Not a specialist in semiconductors, but doesn't the title look like a random part of occultist discussion?
Afaik, "bin" sounds like "life, being" (in MiddleEast languages), "die" is alternative to it, Lot is a person from Bible.

Edited December 9, 2016 by kerbiloid

[Kerbart]

10 hours ago, mikegarrison said:

I think that maybe a forum for a space simulation game is probably not the best place to be asking these questions, but I guess you never know.

Dammit Jim! We're rocket scientists! How hard can it be?

[James Kerman]

Greetings Bashar - welcome to the forums.  I think this relates to the composition of a semiconductor (terms like wafer and die).  In this case Bin might mean a binary semiconductor compound consisting of two elements.

Edited December 9, 2016 by James Kerman
Pinged the wrong member (stupid me)

[bashar]

 

On 12/8/2016 at 11:56 PM, tg626 said:

This looks like a robo-post.

Thanks for all those who gave useful reply (or links).
Sorry to disappoint you tg626

[Red Iron Crown]

Binning is the process of separating chips from the same wafer into different quality/speed tiers, which are often referred to as bins. For example, a Core i5 and a Core i7 both come from the same wafer, the ones that test better are rated for higher clockspeeds or more enabled features.

It gets interesting when the yields for the upper tier bins are higher than what is required for sales projections, so a chip that might be capable of higher speeds might get pushed into a lower tier bin to keep the production numbers straight. Such a chip should respond well to being overclocked.

[magnemoe]

1 hour ago, Red Iron Crown said:

Binning is the process of separating chips from the same wafer into different quality/speed tiers, which are often referred to as bins. For example, a Core i5 and a Core i7 both come from the same wafer, the ones that test better are rated for higher clockspeeds or more enabled features.

It gets interesting when the yields for the upper tier bins are higher than what is required for sales projections, so a chip that might be capable of higher speeds might get pushed into a lower tier bin to keep the production numbers straight. Such a chip should respond well to being overclocked.

Yes this is an old tricks, think it was easier in the old days, remember clocking the 25 MHz 486 or the 50/2 MHz ones at 33 or 66 MHz and it always worked. 
Motherboard and then mostly the buss was main issue of taking them to 80/40. 

[wumpus]

On 12/11/2016 at 8:53 AM, bashar said:

Thanks for all those who gave useful reply (or links).
Sorry to disappoint you tg626

Count me as another shocked face.  Don't forget the [now ancient] BiiN (Billions invested in Nothing, which I think became the Intel 432, which also was worse (financially for Intel anyway, and probably for most customers) than nothing.  Intel makes the world's best semiconductor processes, some of the best chips, and the worst architectures in computers that anybody's bothered to ship.

[PB666]

On 12/8/2016 at 3:48 PM, wumpus said:

In KSP we ask for flight line, never bins.  This is your only post?  Or are you hiding your username?

In case of hiding, "bins" are typically different products made on identical processes, presumably tested to different levels (rumour has it that most processes this century yield nearly identical chips.  Things weren't always so upto sometime in the 90s).  If you have 1GHz chip and a 2GHz chip that are otherwise identical, that is binning.

The AMD K6-2 were sold according the how much voltage they could take (and therefore how they could be overclocked) before they blank screened the computer.

You could generally overclock the CPU, like on a FIC 503A you could take any chip and 'run them up' sometimes they took it and sometimes they didn't. It shortened the life of the chip. THe intels generally would survive overclocking with a good cooling fan (I overclocked the 166 MMX to 250 mhz and ran it on the lab server for years - actually its life came to an end because of the NT4 server software was judged obsolete). Not so lucky with the AMD K6-2 within 6 years or so all had failed and fortunately I bought a few spare CPU when the value point hit minimum (like 20 bucks for a CPU). The Mobo itself was often the source of the problem.