tater Posted March 4, 2019 Share Posted March 4, 2019 19 minutes ago, sh1pman said: Is it for the Crew version or just the Cargo version of Dragon 2? Crew version can comanifest unpressurized cargo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sh1pman Posted March 4, 2019 Share Posted March 4, 2019 2 minutes ago, tater said: Crew version can comanifest unpressurized cargo. Ok. But will it do unpressurized cargo on crewed missions? Interesting how it will behave during an abort. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.50calBMG Posted March 4, 2019 Share Posted March 4, 2019 1 minute ago, sh1pman said: Ok. But will it do unpressurized cargo on crewed missions? Interesting how it will behave during an abort. Just a guess, but they might have a quick release lock or something set up in case an emergency does happen, so that the dragon is more or less the same every time it has an abort scenario. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sevenperforce Posted March 4, 2019 Share Posted March 4, 2019 23 hours ago, Spaceception said: Doesn't Orion count? Orion on Delta IV Heavy is to Orion on SLS what Dragon l launching on Falcon 9 V1.0 was to Dragon 2 launching on F9B5. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheDestroyer111 Posted March 4, 2019 Share Posted March 4, 2019 (edited) Is the Dragon 2 connected to the Canadarm on this picture, or what? Using the Canadarm would technically mean it berthed instead of docking. Spoiler Edited March 4, 2019 by TheDestroyer111 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ultimate Steve Posted March 4, 2019 Share Posted March 4, 2019 2 minutes ago, TheDestroyer111 said: Is the Dragon 2 connected to the Canadarm on this picture, or what? Using the Canadarm would technically mean it berthed instead of docking. Hide contents I think that's a piece of equipment that happened to be in the frame at the wrong time, and Dragon is far behind it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tater Posted March 4, 2019 Share Posted March 4, 2019 When that image was taken, Dragon was at rthe planned hold point 20m from ISS, the arm is merely in the foreground. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThatGuyWithALongUsername Posted March 4, 2019 Share Posted March 4, 2019 2 hours ago, sh1pman said: Is it for the Crew version or just the Cargo version of Dragon 2? 2 hours ago, Nightside said: SpaceX seems to have removed Dragon 1 from the website. I didn't even know this was still on the table- literally the only thing I'd ever heard about it was that it wasn't going to have SuperDraco thrusters but would otherwise be pretty much the same. Does anyone have any idea when we might see THAT launch? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KSK Posted March 4, 2019 Share Posted March 4, 2019 (edited) 16 hours ago, Kerbal7 said: What was so amazing about it? We've been launching rockets and docking spacecraft for over 50 years. We've been driving cars for a whole lot longer than that but that doesn't stop enthusiasts from getting excited about new sportscar models. We've been flying jet fighters for longer than we've been flying spacecraft and there's no shortage of military aviation enthusiasts either - many of whom won't have been near a cockpit of any kind in their lives. Over those 50 years you mention, I can only think of a handful of other crewed, orbit-capable spacecraft that have been flown. By spacecraft, I mean a vehicle capable of taking crew from Earth to space orbit and back, so I'm not counting sub-orbital craft such as SpaceShipOne or X15, or space stations. That handful of craft is: Vostok, Voskhod, Soyuz, Mercury, Gemini, Apollo, STS, Shenzhou. That's it I think. Eight models of spacecraft in 50 years. (If you don't mind, I'll ignore any nitpicking about how similar Voskhod was or wasn't to Vostok, or how similar Shenzhou allegedly was to Soyuz). The most recently developed one (Shenzhou) first flew with crew aboard in 2003. So, if you ask me, it's hardly surprising that folks are getting excited about a new crewed spacecraft, when the last and most recent one was developed over 15 years ago. Especially when that new spacecraft looks quite so modern and is a definite break (stylistically and technologically) from the 'a button for everything' tradition of crewed spacecraft. Also, just because something is a solved problem (which autonomous docking clearly is), that doesn't make it an easy or a routine problem to solve. As illustrated by the concerns over Dragon's computer systems and safety measures. Edited March 4, 2019 by KSK Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tater Posted March 4, 2019 Share Posted March 4, 2019 39A is already being reconfigured for the next flight from there, FH. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KSK Posted March 4, 2019 Share Posted March 4, 2019 9 minutes ago, tater said: 39A is already being reconfigured for the next flight from there, FH. Ahh - I was thinking it was about time for my annual squeeee. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tater Posted March 4, 2019 Share Posted March 4, 2019 Actually, it might be 2X FH in a row, with CRS-17 and maybe another in between from SLC-40. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KSK Posted March 4, 2019 Share Posted March 4, 2019 4 minutes ago, tater said: Actually, it might be 2X FH in a row, with CRS-17 and maybe another in between from SLC-40. Ah well. If the strain of excess squeeeing proves too much, I'll go out with a smile. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nightside Posted March 4, 2019 Share Posted March 4, 2019 3 hours ago, ThatGuyWithALongUsername said: I didn't even know this was still on the table- literally the only thing I'd ever heard about it was that it wasn't going to have SuperDraco thrusters but would otherwise be pretty much the same. Does anyone have any idea when we might see THAT launch? My understanding is that Dragon 1 will be discontinued after Dragon 2 starts flying. Dragon 2s will be used as Crew vehicles once, then recycled as Cargo vehicles thereafter. Probably not more than a couple of times. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IncongruousGoat Posted March 5, 2019 Share Posted March 5, 2019 8 hours ago, KSK said: That handful of craft is: Vostok, Voskhod, Soyuz, Mercury, Gemini, Apollo, STS, Shenzhou. You forgot TKS, which never flew with a crew in its intended role, but was tested uncrewed enough times that we can be pretty confident that it would have worked, and was the base for several Mir and ISS modules. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ultimate Steve Posted March 5, 2019 Share Posted March 5, 2019 16 minutes ago, IncongruousGoat said: You forgot TKS, which never flew with a crew in its intended role, but was tested uncrewed enough times that we can be pretty confident that it would have worked, and was the base for several Mir and ISS modules. By that logic should Buran count? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xd the great Posted March 5, 2019 Share Posted March 5, 2019 23 minutes ago, Ultimate Steve said: By that logic should Buran count? Not sure, did Bran have a docking port? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ultimate Steve Posted March 5, 2019 Share Posted March 5, 2019 4 minutes ago, Xd the great said: Not sure, did Bran have a docking port? Not sure why that's relevant, Vostok, Voskhod, and Mercury didn't have docking ports and they are included in the count. I'm pretty sure Buran either had a docking port or was planned to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Confused Scientist Posted March 5, 2019 Share Posted March 5, 2019 10 minutes ago, Ultimate Steve said: I'm pretty sure Buran either had a docking port or was planned to. From the Wikipedia page for the Buran programme*: Quote December 1991 — Orbiter K2 Ptichka unmanned second flight, with a duration of 7–8 days. Orbital maneuvers and space station approach test: automatic docking with Mir's Kristall module crew transfer from Mir to the shuttle, with testing of some of its systems in the course of twenty-four hours, including the remote manipulator undocking and autonomous flight in orbit docking of the manned Soyuz-TM 101 with the shuttle crew transfer from the Soyuz to the shuttle and onboard work in the course of twenty-four hours automatic undocking and landing Quote The Buran SO, a docking module that was to be used for rendezvous with the Mir space station, was refitted for use with the U.S. Space Shuttles during the Shuttle–Mir missions.[37] The exciting part is, in terms of being able to choose between automatic and crewed flight, the Dragon is probably the most advanced spacecraft since the Buran. Soyuz proved that versatility is everything, so Dragon might become America's reusable Progress. *Ooh, British English! Classy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tater Posted March 5, 2019 Share Posted March 5, 2019 Dragon will count once crew has flown on it. Anything without crew flown on it? Doesn't count as a crew vehicle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DDE Posted March 5, 2019 Share Posted March 5, 2019 2 hours ago, Xd the great said: Not sure, did Bran have a docking port? It was detachable, and the one stored in Zagorsk may lack the actual docking ring, but here it is: Kristall was equipped with a matching APAS on one end, which allowed the modified Shuttle to dock during earlier missions. That said, the only Soyuz that docked to Kristall was TMA-16, which was one of the three specialized rescue ships ordered: There were plans for one-two Soyuz missions to unmanned Burans, too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KSK Posted March 5, 2019 Share Posted March 5, 2019 (edited) Interesting - I didn’t know about TKS. Thanks for bringing that one up! And my apologies for missing out Buran - that one I did know about. I don’t think it makes a great deal of difference to my argument whether or not you count ‘flight tested but never with crew’ crewed spacecraft but that test should have at least been a flight to orbit. Edited March 5, 2019 by KSK Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NSEP Posted March 5, 2019 Share Posted March 5, 2019 1 hour ago, DDE said: Kristall was equipped with a matching APAS on one end, which allowed the modified Shuttle to dock during earlier missions. That said, the only Soyuz that docked to Kristall was TMA-16, which was one of the three specialized rescue ships ordered: There were plans for one-two Soyuz missions to unmanned Burans, too. *correction, Soyuz TM-16 Soyuz with an APAS docking system looks weird though. Never thought of it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Codraroll Posted March 5, 2019 Share Posted March 5, 2019 3 hours ago, tater said: Dragon will count once crew has flown on it. Anything without crew flown on it? Doesn't count as a crew vehicle. Still, the fact that it, baring any unforeseen disasters, will count is worth getting excited over. It's literally two flights away from entering the exclusive club. I mean, so was probably Buran, but people got pretty excited for that one too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xd the great Posted March 5, 2019 Share Posted March 5, 2019 How is starship going? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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