tater 26,584 Posted December 16, 2020 Share Posted December 16, 2020 Beat me to it! A new render. Would be nice to see some hardware. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
RCgothic 2,001 Posted December 16, 2020 Share Posted December 16, 2020 It'll be a good-looking rocket when they build it. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
RealKerbal3x 5,514 Posted January 12 Share Posted January 12 20 minutes ago, tater said: This is for the NS-14 mission, correct? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Scotius 3,002 Posted January 12 Share Posted January 12 "Mission." Big word for a suborbital hop. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mikegarrison 3,993 Posted January 13 Share Posted January 13 9 hours ago, Scotius said: "Mission." Big word for a suborbital hop. That's a lot of snark for a forum that spends three pages of posts talking about whether SN9 is venting vapor or not. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Vanamonde 13,342 Posted January 13 Author Share Posted January 13 They're not sports teams, guys. We don't need to get into spats which each other over which one is best. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Hannu2 283 Posted January 14 Share Posted January 14 23 hours ago, Vanamonde said: They're not sports teams, guys. We don't need to get into spats which each other over which one is best. No, they are not. But should they? Watching competition in space would feed people's competitive instincts just like watching sport do. If space companies had millions of fans like large sport teams maybe they could get significant boost to their funding by offering fan stuff, happenings, or even organized competitions to achieve some technical or scientific objectives. According to this source market size of sport business is almost 500 billion $. It is at least an order of magnitude larger than all space business and national organizations. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
tater 26,584 Posted January 14 Share Posted January 14 Delayed an hour to 9:30 local. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
RealKerbal3x 5,514 Posted January 14 Share Posted January 14 NS-14 webcast is live now. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
sevenperforce 7,226 Posted January 14 Share Posted January 14 Go for launch in under two minutes. Was it just me or did that hold-down last longer after ignition than usual? Maybe I'm just used to Falcon 9. excrementsttt something went WRONG on that final approach. Shocking it landed safely. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
RCgothic 2,001 Posted January 14 Share Posted January 14 (edited) Launch! Very long hold down, about 8s. Lept off the pad, but small rockets always look fast. Camera tracking is rubbish. Edited January 14 by RCgothic Quote Link to post Share on other sites
VaPaL 296 Posted January 14 Share Posted January 14 11 minutes ago, sevenperforce said: excrementsttt something went WRONG on that final approach. I thougth the booster was going to tip... incredibly it didn't... impressive Quote Link to post Share on other sites
RealKerbal3x 5,514 Posted January 14 Share Posted January 14 1 minute ago, RCgothic said: Camera tracking is rubbish. Yeah, it was just a pair of blurry dots most of the flight. Why don't they have any onboard cameras? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
totalitor 132 Posted January 14 Share Posted January 14 That landing accuracy - not perfect. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
sevenperforce 7,226 Posted January 14 Share Posted January 14 (edited) 9 minutes ago, VaPaL said: I thougth the booster was going to tip... incredibly it didn't... impressive It looks like there was a guidance problem right after restart. Maybe a stuck/stalled fin? Or a gimbal during restart that kicked the booster over. Either way the engine gimbaled very hard to correct and then very nearly tipped over while trying to zero out lateral velocity. After it zeroed lateral velocity it hung there for a pretty long moment in hover before finally dropping to the pad, well off of the center. This does show the advantage of the deep throttle. If a F9 booster came down with that much lateral velocity, it would have no way to make it work. Then again its grid fins cannot stall. Superheavy and Starship will both have the significant advantage of gas-gas thrusters to help, and they can also hover. Edited January 14 by sevenperforce Quote Link to post Share on other sites
cubinator 8,501 Posted January 14 Share Posted January 14 47 minutes ago, RealKerbal3x said: Why don't they have any onboard cameras? I'm sure they do, but it's a lot of data to transmit back to get real-time video, and sometimes it's easier/better to forgo that in favor of more immediately useful telemetry during the flight. Then they can retrieve the recorded video after landing. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
tater 26,584 Posted January 14 Share Posted January 14 Spoiler Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mikegarrison 3,993 Posted January 14 Share Posted January 14 (edited) 2 hours ago, sevenperforce said: This does show the advantage of the deep throttle. If a F9 booster came down with that much lateral velocity, it would have no way to make it work. Then again its grid fins cannot stall. I seem to remember a F9 booster that crashed just for this very reason (stuck grid fin). Also, while she was busy talking about how the rocket was spinning, it sure didn't look like it was spinning. Maybe it was. If so it definitely wasn't spinning quickly. Edited January 14 by mikegarrison Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mikegarrison 3,993 Posted January 14 Share Posted January 14 Yeah, this makes sense. If you keep changing things, then you never build up any flight experience with the exact design you are flying. Looks like they are trying to overcome that issue before sending up actual people. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
tater 26,584 Posted January 14 Share Posted January 14 Just now, mikegarrison said: Yeah, this makes sense. If you keep changing things, then you never build up any flight experience with the exact design you are flying. Looks like they are trying to overcome that issue before sending up actual people. They haven't really iterated the boster as far as I know, but certainly the capsule was not entirely crew ready I think. One of their stated objectives with NS is learning operations, I've just been surprised how slowly they've worked that issue. Seems like they should be flying as often as possible assuming they have employees at van Horn all the time anyway. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
cubinator 8,501 Posted January 14 Share Posted January 14 I agree, they sure don't fly that thing very often for a craft whose goal it is to fly as often as possible. Hope they can get that frequency up. And I hope the passengers don't have to spend hours waiting inside the capsule on the launch pad. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
tater 26,584 Posted January 15 Share Posted January 15 Underwhelming. I mean, it would be cool to do if a few hundred grand was pocket change, but their launches are not super interesting, and you think they'd hire some random youtuber to do their streaming‚BO only has 172k subs, lol. Seriously, they could hire any number of randos with more subs who could give them advice on better video presentations. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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