Meecrob

Here's hoping you realized that in a comfy chair, not on your back after a benign but embarrassing fall like me. "hold my beer!!..no wait, give me my beer back and get an icepack!"

Haha yeah! Internally the company goal is to be a total jerk! "disrupters"

Haha I bet their application is on glossy cardstock too! Oh I should shut up, its not like I own a rocket company, but honestly, we all totally get the "Gradatim" part by now, guys, lets see something cool!

The joke in aerospace is: "its certified when the weight of the paperwork equals the gross weight of the vehicle"

Just imagine every joint has to move a couple millimetres, and add up the total...those things sway in the wind to say the least.

Haha, I'm glad you made this post...I woke up and read what I wrote, and wish I could delete it. Nobody here needs a lecture...least of which from me. Let me have an old man moment and ignore me. I'll shut up.

Every vehicle is a deathtrap. As long as a human is going faster than walking speed and higher than they can jump, they WILL die if something screws up. So I can agree that this vehicle is not as developed as others at this point in time...but that's exactly what development is for. As much as everyone here wants to crap on Boeing, and as much as it seems the company has gone to the beancounters in Chicago...Its still Boeing. Did they try to push a crewed flight? no. Did they push for an earlier slot on the ISS? No. Does their vehicle need a shakedown test? Of course yes! but people here talk like Boeing is some newbie....they have bureaucracy and red tape, for sure, but they still attract the best engineers in the world. Starliner isn't some Tonka toy. When it flies properly, we will all be singing its praises. Edit: I say this as a SpaceX fanboy

Well, no duh, He's a good marketer, but with the diverse group on this board, I wanted to make sure kids know you can't like get this job for Elon and expect to smoke weed. Legal or not, you aren't getting an aerospace job if you are a pothead. There are lots of kids on this board who probably want to get into building rockets, so we all know that the first way you do NOT get hired is because you smoke weed. Legal or not. Personally, I don't care...I'm not trying to pass my personal beliefs onto others, but I'm thinking of all the teenagers reading this that maybe the think "hey, ok, if i want this job, I should not do this" kinda thing. As we all know, SpaceX burns people out so my advice is to go get that job, then after you quit, smoke your weed kinda thing. Edit: either the post I was replying to was deleted, or it looks like I just smoked some weed and look stupid because there is no reference post.

I mean, for teenagers, it might be cool, "yo 420, MOFO's!!!", but aerospace doesn't work that way. Like yes, Elon smoked on Joe Rogan, we all know, but let me stand up for the integrity of the industry and say that the only way it works is that people in it are sober. Its not like this cabal of pot smoking idiots who cobbled together a rocket...In fact, its kind of insulting, to be honest.

Agreed. Its especially hilarious considering both BO and VG are messing around in a wading pool, while the big boys are in an olympic-size pool. Talk about trying to be a big fish in a small pond.

Exactly, engine failures do not equal catastrophic loss of vehicle. There are ways to engineer the risk to a minimum. Or you could say "screw this engineering and actual thinking, lets just slap an SRB onto the crew capsule!" LES is 1960's technology...back in the day when NASA had like 50 launchpads at Cape Canaveral because their rockets kept blowing up. We have advanced a bit since then in terms of keeping rockets unexploded.

...aaaand you lost me. So your argument is that SS/SH WILL suffer RUD's. I prefer to listen to people who are not 100% biased against something when trying to make an objective analysis. Edited to add: The argument that Starship should cost more because fighter jets and tanks cost more is quite frankly ridiculous. My car would cost like half a million dollars if I had to equip it for combat, but I do not engage in combat, so is it ridiculous that my car only costs 10 grand?

Glad I could help, its always nice to see people interested in space! By the way, your sig reminds me of an NDT quote...to paraphrase "drug dealers are fully into the metric system!"

With enough money thrown at it, sure its possible, but I don't think anyone would be able to profit off of it, so as a practical idea, I don't see anyone putting money into R + D.

Inclination is a different measurement than pitch angle. your inclination is 0 because you are on Kerbins equator. You can point any direction and still be at 0 because your position relative to the rotational axis of the planet is the same. Pitch angle is the measurement of the angle your rocket's longditudinal axis makes relative to the ground.

Suuuuure...Was one of its benchmarks to waste all its RCS, and another benchmark to NOT be able to dock with ISS? In any case, if I were onboard when it, according to you, made a successful flight, my butt would have needed the jaws of life to open it to even fart.

That wording from NAR always bugged me. They have to throw in the "from vertical" qualifier for it to make any sense. In general, most terms in aviation, and by extension spaceflight, originate from nautical terms...and thinking logically, 0 degrees must be when the keel is parallel with the surface of the water. There is no reason to make a reference point for a ship when it is standing on end like a skyscraper aside from "How quickly did it sink?" Another way to think about it is 0 degrees is the human point of view. You are standing upright on the surface of the earth and your eyes are your "reference point", aimed parallel to the ground. 0 degrees is generally a "resting" reference point. Edited to add: "All of us rocketeers need to come to some agreement on this issue, which should be easy enough to do. " If you look at the FDAI's in NASA videos (basically the equivalent of the navball in Kerbal), when they are on the launchpad, the ball is solid blue indicating 90 degrees. Now this might sound elitist, but I'mma go with how NASA rolls rather than the guys who make rockets from waxed paper towel tubes.

Haha the "Bowel Stapler" is an apt name after that disastrous first test flight!

Just like how I pretend my 152 is a real plane...my excuse is I'm not a billionaire haha.

I'm not saying take it for joyrides, but it may actually be cheaper to re-fuel it than go through whatever you'd have to do to put that thing on a barge...or let me say it this way: it will most likely be more expensive to fly back, but that gains time to fly missions and make money. Its kinda like how they transport jet engines by air. Its ridiculously expensive, but those engines cost more sitting on a skid in a cargo hold of a boat idle than flying paying passengers. I'm pretty sure Musk has said some figures about cost for fuel and it is surprisingly little...like a few hundred thousand dollars. I would love to hear a freight quote for a starship lol.

Its a spacecraft though...this is like saying "I'll walk instead of putting 30 miles on my car." Like the entire point is to reuse them...they didn't just screw around.

That's just cruel haha! They said their launch vehicle is unstable so you suggest a notoriously difficult-to-keep-stable design

Who remembers when games actually had manuals that told you how to play?

It'll go way faster than that (Vne is 149 KNOTS, not miles), but its the same as a car, you drive it floored you can expect to overhaul your engine like every few months! The old saying: if it floats, flies or...it begins with the same letter (but I don't want a mod to have to tell me not swear), its going to be expensive!! Edit: having said that, rich people know that and will pay to fly! The price clearly is what the market will bear, not what it actually costs to fly New Shepard, because they currently have a monopoly on tourist suborbital flights.

Haha I feel your pain! The speed limit may be higher but it feels like you are riding a tricycle as a 3 year old even though you bought a car but the traffic won't move!! ...or hilarious!!! Wait you mean MPH don't you? 60 kph is a different story. 60 miles an hour has cost me way way too much in suspension repairs along with crapping my pants trying to maintain control! You haven't had a headwind and looked down on cars going 100kph/60mph overtaking you! But at the same time with a decent tailwind I fly over Mosport racetrack and can at least keep up with the decent cars. But honestly my Volvo goes faster than a 152 haha! But I lucked out with that car...it can do like 170 if you disable the computers. On a racetrack, of course...straight line, I'm no race driver!