Mhoram - wait, what? The HARP does not resemble the Albatross? I basically took the Albatross, clipped it's wings and fuselage to a reasonable size to get it's airframe. Also, no pitch? It does have some some problems with yaw (wich is merely exitant), but pitch? Anyways - thaks for these detailed results, I allways love to read you guys notes. Also, a tip of the hat to gm537 and XolotlLoki (you guys are awesome) for testing all these planes. I fear, I lack time to test all thirty - so I will probably only test the short list.