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Renegrade

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Here's a picture of the lander I described earlier:

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Without the Round8, I'd have to add at least a full FL-T100, or wedge oscars in somewhere stupid to take it from 1450-1680 delta-v.

Since oscars can't be radially attached, they'd either have to clip into something (hello possible explode-on-load bugs), or I'd have to move the goo pods higher and stack them stupidly on top of the Science Jrs to insane heights, which would raise the CoM.

We really do need more tanks in the small end of 1.25m and in 0.625m. Plus the fuel ratios need to be looked at~

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...Honestly, this whole thing reminds me of removing reaction wheels from some probe cores during the last update. Community got up in arms about broken craft for a week or two, then we just reworked our craft and moved on.

Moved on? No, the lack of torque on the probe cores is STILL an issue that I hope Squad will fix by giving us at least minimal torque on all probe cores. But there is no use to keep harping on it. We made the requests to Squad, and they can either choose to take their customers' requests into account, or they can just ignore us. We won't know which they choose to do until we see the next update.

Same with our love for the Round8 LFO tank. We are making our arguments and requests, which Squad can decide to either heed or ignore. Happily, we found out about this BEFORE the update came out, so we can let Squad know this change will make us unhappy (for no good reason that I can see, since they could simply make a new 1.25-meter Xenon tank) in time for them to change their minds.

And when we stop talking about this in a couple weeks, will it be because we no longer CARE about the Round8 LFO tank? No. We will have had our say. Then we just need to see if Squad cares about what we say.

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Commander Jebidiah

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This thread shouldn't have been made. It is not over yet. We have a chance to change this. *astronaut single tear*

Seriously dudes. We can make SQUAD go back in this decision. The poll created in the other section is showing that most players want ROUND8 to stay the way it is.

Good luck getting Squad to listen to us. They seriously need to open there eyes and ears and listen to us so they can know what will be best for there game.

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Good luck getting Squad to listen to us. They seriously need to open there eyes and ears and listen to us so they can know what will be best for there game.

Maybe we should post it to Orbiter forum, they'll see it there! :sticktongue:

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temporalExile

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Good luck getting Squad to listen to us. They seriously need to open there eyes and ears and listen to us so they can know what will be best for there game.
Mike (Mu): Well, the experience system has come on in leaps and bounds. The back end is finished and has some nice little features which modders should enjoy. The Kerbal experience traits boost the ship/part they’re on and can have some very funky effects. Currently these include boosting thrust, reducing heat generation, increasing fuel efficiency and boosting science output. Obviously, the performance boosting effects have to be quite subtle to not make things too easy but will still provide a solid boost should you care for your Kerbals.

Remember how they didn't change that to a better system at all, despite our complaining?

And then when they released with that system, and we all disowned squad, and quit ksp?

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Here's my thoughts on the "death" of the Round-8.

Okay, first of all. Why are you repurposing an existing part at all, SQUAD? This strikes me as a bit of a poor choice. It indicates that you seem to have no desire to make new parts, for one thing. I understand that you're pressed for time and that you want to release 1.0 "on schedule..." but using a part with the same appearance for a different purpose is sloppy, in my opinion.

The Round-8 toroidal fuel tank currently looks nothing like any part used to store or burn xenon. It lacks both the texture, the color, and the general 'feel' of the Xenon tanks. In other words, to make it look compatible with all of the other parts, it needs to have its appearance adjusted... and if its appearance is adjusted, the reason for nixing the original Toroidal Fuel Tank is suddenly gone!

Furthermore, toroidal fuel tanks are very useful for storing a little extra propellant in a nonintrusive way. Many people have used them, and continue to use them, as an 'adapter' between 1.25m and 0.625m parts or at the top or bottom of stages to add a little flair (I really love putting the basic jet intake on top of them; the appearance is marvelous). Their gold color has graced many an Apollo replica and their springiness has helped with everything from lander suspension to scary glitchy toroidal springs of death. As you can clearly see with this thread and others, they are a rather beloved part that has found its niche. Repurposing it has been almost unanimously rejected by the community, and for good reason.

I would also like to throw in the following in general: SQUAD, as a marketing company, you really should be looking at feedback from others, both positive and negative, wherever you can get it. It will tell you when you're doing things right and when you're doing things wrong. We are your community. We are the reason for your success today. You are trying to market your game to us, and if we disapprove of your decisions, no matter how great you think the game is, we'll stop playing or lose interest more quickly. This may sound harsh, but it's the truth. Keep this in mind.

That's really all there is to say.

-Upsilon

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GusTurbo

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You sir, are in a minority. So far, 72% of users on THIS poll want it to remain a LF/OX tank.

A loss of the Round 8 would be a loss for all craft designers. A simple clone part would make more sense for a new Xenon tank.

If you agree with me, change your avatar to match mine. Save the Lifesaver!

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Alshain

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Good luck getting Squad to listen to us. They seriously need to open there eyes and ears and listen to us so they can know what will be best for there game.

Maybe if we move the discussion to Reddit they will listen ;)

(that was a joke btw, the discussion is actually just as heavy on Reddit already)

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Renegrade

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(that was a joke btw, the discussion is actually just as heavy on Reddit already)

That's actually good, because joke or no joke, there's a certain.. truth to the idea that they might listen better on reddit.

I really don't see why they can't just make a new damn tank. Is RoverDude or PorkJet still on commission? They both do excellent work...

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Well, I do not have much of love for the doughnut tank and TBH I would not be exactly very sad to see it go ( not happy either , BTW ), but if Harv really wanted to reporpose a useless part because there was a very similar part already in game ,well, we have the Engine Nacelle and the Radial Engine Body, that besides appearance and cost ,are for all proposes the same part. True , any of them would make a very ugly Xenon tank, but well, the doughnut one would also :P

P.S This was not a request to remove either one of the parts. Just pointing out that if the devs really, really wanted to reporpose parts because of their relative uselessness in game due to superimposing functions, there were better candidates ;)

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That's actually good, because joke or no joke, there's a certain.. truth to the idea that they might listen better on reddit.

I really don't see why they can't just make a new damn tank. Is RoverDude or PorkJet still on commission? They both do excellent work...

I don't think RoverDude made his parts (could be mistaken on that, I thought it was a community thing). However, there was another modeler other than PorkJet working with them.

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katateochi

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This part is a buggy mess anyway. Trying to get fuel lines to attach to it is a nightmare. Maybe that's why they're changing it to xenon?

I just attach the fuel line to the thing the tank is attached to, not that much of an issue.

Here's my most recent Apollo lander. It uses the Round-8 and a couple oscarBs and nothing else, because I wanted the authentic look, it also made it possible to keep it pretty compact.

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Will be really sad to this this go.

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Maybe if we move the discussion to Reddit they will listen ;)

(that was a joke btw, the discussion is actually just as heavy on Reddit already)

edit, I must be blind, can you add a link to the reddit discussion on it?

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Alshain

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I don't see a post there yet, I'll start one.

There was some discussion in the DevNotes thread though. I don't do Reddit so I considered myself lucky to find that much in that ridiculous system.

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There was some discussion in the DevNotes thread though. I don't do Reddit so I considered myself lucky to find that much in that ridiculous system.

Ah, gotcha. I saw your reply and thought I'd missed a specific thread about it. I'll start it's own thread anyway, might just catch a few more folks attention.

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done - reddit thread

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I'm gonna admit that the only time I've used it recently was on a tiny probe which I sent to my minmus base with a KIS container on top with some EPL stakes and some other stuff that I had forgotten.

I've used it a few times in the past, but very rarely. Probably because you can't attach stuff onto the side of the tank.

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Renegrade

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I don't think RoverDude made his parts (could be mistaken on that, I thought it was a community thing). However, there was another modeler other than PorkJet working with them.

Oh right, I think Frizzank made the IVAs? He does good work too. (and again I'd prefer if they make a xenon tank that it be more like the FL-T100 or T200 anyhow)

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