lajoswinkler Posted April 26, 2015 Share Posted April 26, 2015 Am I mistaken to assume there will be randomly spawned rocks around Dres? If I'm not, then I'm not ok with this.I was given this screenshot.Kerbin is in an asteroid belt. Sometimes they enter its SOI and either crash or get their solar orbital parameters changed. But if they spawn in circular orbits around planets, then they've been there "forever". They become satellites, moons. Where did they come from?I'd be ok with Dres being in a second asteroid belt (way more densely populated than Kerbin's is), but this apparent solution bugs me. I don't like procedural satellites. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RocketPilot573 Posted April 26, 2015 Share Posted April 26, 2015 I just kind of assume that Dres has tons of captured moons. Though an asteroid belt would make a little more sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alshain Posted April 26, 2015 Share Posted April 26, 2015 (edited) I'm just curious why Dres isn't allowed to be near an asteroid belt too? I mean, we have several in our solar system. (Though technically "Asteroid" refers to a specific belt, the others are Trojans, Greeks, and Kuiper) Edited April 26, 2015 by Alshain Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lajoswinkler Posted April 26, 2015 Author Share Posted April 26, 2015 I'm just curious why Dres isn't allowed to be near an asteroid belt too? I mean, we have several in our solar system.I'd totally put Dres in the middle of a dense asteroid field. Dres' tiny mass and large curvature of its orbit would make capturing of asteroids easier. Not to mention how often it might get bombarded compared to Kerbin.But these procedural moons... just no. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SelectHalfling0 Posted April 26, 2015 Share Posted April 26, 2015 Dres is not forever alone! Yay!Also, nice little gas stations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GusTurbo Posted April 26, 2015 Share Posted April 26, 2015 I'd totally put Dres in the middle of a dense asteroid field. Dres' tiny mass and large curvature of its orbit would make capturing of asteroids easier. Not to mention how often it might get bombarded compared to Kerbin.But these procedural moons... just no.I'm pretty sure the asteroids are supposed to be in a belt near Dres' orbit, like the ones near Kerbin. Maybe they sometimes get captured, but I'm not sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moogoob Posted April 26, 2015 Share Posted April 26, 2015 There are such a thing as periodic "moons" in real life - the Apollo 11 third stage became one at one point. They orbit a few times then go back to a heliocentric orbit until earth/dres catches up with them again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alshain Posted April 26, 2015 Share Posted April 26, 2015 I'd totally put Dres in the middle of a dense asteroid field. Dres' tiny mass and large curvature of its orbit would make capturing of asteroids easier. Not to mention how often it might get bombarded compared to Kerbin.But these procedural moons... just no.They aren't moons, they behave just like the ones that fly by Kerbin, or says Maxmaps in the stream last night. Dres itself is the closest analog to our own Ceres, which is in the middle of the asteroid belt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wintersdark Posted April 26, 2015 Share Posted April 26, 2015 Honestly, a planet picking up satellites differently from game to game is intriguing for me. I think it's awesome. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Superfluous J Posted April 26, 2015 Share Posted April 26, 2015 I'm torn.My problem is it's illogical, especially if they continually spawn and despawn. They're in unperturbable orbits!The nice thing is... hey a reason to go to Dres. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alshain Posted April 26, 2015 Share Posted April 26, 2015 I'm torn.My problem is it's illogical, especially if they continually spawn and despawn. They're in unperturbable orbits!The nice thing is... hey a reason to go to Dres.Don't think of it as spawning and de-spawning. Think of it as coming in and out of tracking range. For game performance purposes they are spawning and despawning, but if you imagine they are traveling faster or slower than Dres (i.e. slightly higher/lower orbits), then they continually come in and out of "viewing range". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MalfunctionM1Ke Posted April 26, 2015 Share Posted April 26, 2015 (edited) They... are... everywhere Edited April 26, 2015 by MalfunctionM1Ke Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karriz Posted April 26, 2015 Share Posted April 26, 2015 I think this is to make Dres a more interesting destination. It's more interesting than having a handful of asteroids scattered between Jool and Duna. People would rarely bother visiting those asteroids. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magnemoe Posted April 26, 2015 Share Posted April 26, 2015 Well its simply an smaller version of Gilly or the two moons Mars have. We also know that the outer planets has lots of junk in orbit.Add that Dress is in the middle of that would be our asteroid belt. I see it as an simple way to make the Dress more interesting. Eeloo should have some too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lajoswinkler Posted April 26, 2015 Author Share Posted April 26, 2015 I'm pretty sure the asteroids are supposed to be in a belt near Dres' orbit, like the ones near Kerbin. Maybe they sometimes get captured, but I'm not sure.I hope! I'd like that a lot.There are such a thing as periodic "moons" in real life - the Apollo 11 third stage became one at one point. They orbit a few times then go back to a heliocentric orbit until earth/dres catches up with them again.True, that's what happens in Kerbin's asteroid belt.They aren't moons, they behave just like the ones that fly by Kerbin, or says Maxmaps in the stream last night. Dres itself is the closest analog to our own Ceres, which is in the middle of the asteroid belt.Then why are their orbits circular like on the screenshot? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alshain Posted April 26, 2015 Share Posted April 26, 2015 Then why are their orbits circular like on the screenshot?The screenshot doesn't have any context. Was it circular or did the person streaming make it circular? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lajoswinkler Posted April 26, 2015 Author Share Posted April 26, 2015 (edited) Again, people, read the OP. I'm not against Dres interacting with asteroids, I'm just not for procedurally generated stuff around Dres. If something orbits Dres, then it is there. Always has been and it might get kicked out, ok. But spawning and despawning at random in established orbits, please no. Edited April 26, 2015 by lajoswinkler Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robotengineer Posted April 26, 2015 Share Posted April 26, 2015 I think this is to make Dres a more interesting destination. It's more interesting than having a handful of asteroids scattered between Jool and Duna. People would rarely bother visiting those asteroids.It makes sense to visit those asteroids, they don't have a gravity well like Dres does, so you can mine them more easily, and then depart to just about anywhere in the system. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lajoswinkler Posted April 26, 2015 Author Share Posted April 26, 2015 The screenshot doesn't have any context. Was it circular or did the person streaming make it circular?Oh god, I don't know. That's why I've said that if this is the case, then I don't like it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alshain Posted April 26, 2015 Share Posted April 26, 2015 Oh god, I don't know. That's why I've said that if this is the case, then I don't like it.Ok, well... as I said. Maxmaps said yesterday they are exactly the same as the ones around Kerbin, so it is not the case. Problem solved. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lajoswinkler Posted April 26, 2015 Author Share Posted April 26, 2015 Ok, well... as I said. Maxmaps said yesterday they are exactly the same as the ones around Kerbin, so it is not the case. Problem solved.Then I'll tell the mods to close the thread. I am satisfied by your report. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
megatiger78 Posted April 26, 2015 Share Posted April 26, 2015 inb4 locked post! (also, jool need asteroids too. lots of them. just randomly spawning already in orbit.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Superfluous J Posted April 26, 2015 Share Posted April 26, 2015 Don't think of it as spawning and de-spawning. Think of it as coming in and out of tracking range. For game performance purposes they are spawning and despawning, but if you imagine they are traveling faster or slower than Dres (i.e. slightly higher/lower orbits), then they continually come in and out of "viewing range".That's fine for stuff orbiting Sun and potentially being perturbed. But orbiting Dres? That'd be like looking at Pluto and going "Oh, Charon's gone. I guess we should have put better tracking on it. But hey there's another moon there now that we didn't see before that's even bigger!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RayneCloud Posted April 26, 2015 Share Posted April 26, 2015 That's fine for stuff orbiting Sun and potentially being perturbed. But orbiting Dres? That'd be like looking at Pluto and going "Oh, Charon's gone. I guess we should have put better tracking on it. But hey there's another moon there now that we didn't see before that's even bigger!"You're asking FAR to much here. It's about game-play, and performance, not what's 10000% realistic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lajoswinkler Posted April 26, 2015 Author Share Posted April 26, 2015 That's fine for stuff orbiting Sun and potentially being perturbed. But orbiting Dres? That'd be like looking at Pluto and going "Oh, Charon's gone. I guess we should have put better tracking on it. But hey there's another moon there now that we didn't see before that's even bigger!"This is exactly what bugged me, but thankfully it seems that's not the case we're getting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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