[WIP][1.6.x_TEMPORARY FIX] NAS - Naval Artillery System 0.7.0 (BDAc Addon, WW2 Naval Weapons) - "Land of Dragon" - 2018/4/28

[Wulfle]

On 2017-04-27 at 2:52 AM, ColonelVInnie said:

I found a possible fix for the torpedoes on their floatiness. Lower the mass to 0.5 or 1 and they should float.

Checking now, will report back. The problem with the massive plume is in the unity export. It needs to be redone.

 

Edit: Found a fix for the buoyancy! Does NAS have a Git or how do I push my fix?

 

Edited April 28, 2017 by Wulfle

[Toonu]

Hello I have bug for report. I'm building my first destroyer and picked 12.7cm/50 3rd Year model C turret and the ship started spinning and flying into air soon aftfer launch. When I picked 10cm/65 Type 98 it works perfectly. I don't get any debug messages though in the console. The other turret works perfectly but I haven't tried other turrets yet. If you need any logs, pictures or anything, tell me. @Acea

[SpannerMonkey(smce)]

4 hours ago, Toonu said:

Hello I have bug for report. I'm building my first destroyer and picked 12.7cm/50 3rd Year model C turret and the ship started spinning and flying into air soon aftfer launch. When I picked 10cm/65 Type 98 it works perfectly. I don't get any debug messages though in the console. The other turret works perfectly but I haven't tried other turrets yet. If you need any logs, pictures or anything, tell me. @Acea

Is that still happening or is this a new event?   what are the masses of those two turrets you mention. Is this with LBP parts?

Edited May 9, 2017 by SpannerMonkey(smce)

[Toonu]

11 hours ago, SpannerMonkey(smce) said:

Is that still happening or is this a new event?   what are the masses of those two turrets you mention. Is this with LBP parts?

This is still happening since last time, but I figured out its only with that turret. The mass is almost same, just 1.6 ton different so with 2 turrets its 3.2 tonnes. But the ship isn't sinking by weight, its just flipping and jumping at incredible speeds.  Yeah except NAS, the ship had only LBP parts and procedural wing parts + some BDA radars and stuff.  But when I release the ship without the wrong turrets, its operating normally, just as with the not problematic turrets...

 

Edited May 10, 2017 by Toonu

[ColonelVInnie]

On 5/10/2017 at 2:24 PM, Toonu said:

This is still happening since last time, but I figured out its only with that turret. The mass is almost same, just 1.6 ton different so with 2 turrets its 3.2 tonnes. But the ship isn't sinking by weight, its just flipping and jumping at incredible speeds.  Yeah except NAS, the ship had only LBP parts and procedural wing parts + some BDA radars and stuff.  But when I release the ship without the wrong turrets, its operating normally, just as with the not problematic turrets...

 

Have you tried Kerbal Joint reinforcement or the like? I had a similar problem before the installation on boats flying to oblivion on launch, seems to be a physics bug in the stock game. On a side note I am getting an unknown problem of torpedo turrets being permanently on (turning only) after switching away from guard mode.

[Toonu]

Just now, ColonelVInnie said:

Have you tried Kerbal Joint reinforcement or the like? I had a similar problem before the installation on boats flying to oblivion on launch, seems to be a physics bug in the stock game. On a side note I am getting an unknown problem of torpedo turrets being permanently on (turning only) after switching away from guard mode.

 

Yes, I have KJR as essential (Always on modpack) mod, so that'S no problem there. And I also see that only that ONE turret is causing it. Other works like a charm...

[ColonelVInnie]

1 minute ago, Toonu said:

 

Yes, I have KJR as essential (Always on modpack) mod, so that'S no problem there. And I also see that only that ONE turret is causing it. Other works like a charm...

Strange. I'm not having a problem with that turret. May I know what exactly is the ship like and your physics settings? That might help, I would take a look since I have nothing to do.

[Toonu]

2 hours ago, ColonelVInnie said:

Strange. I'm not having a problem with that turret. May I know what exactly is the ship like and your physics settings? That might help, I would take a look since I have nothing to do.

What you need to know exactly?

[ColonelVInnie]

22 minutes ago, Toonu said:

What you need to know exactly?

The craft file could let me see if it is universal, and your physics settings like delta time might make a difference.

[Toonu]

20 hours ago, ColonelVInnie said:

The craft file could let me see if it is universal, and your physics settings like delta time might make a difference.

Its not stock, its Large Boat Parts ship with some from SM Marine and NAS, BDAc of course plus some utilities. Still wanna craft file? There it is!  Oh...no...I deleted it because the ship didn't worked xD and logs are rewritten from that time

Delta time is set default, cause I've never had many problems with that.  If you want, I can partially rebuild the ship but, you know...it won't be exactly same.

 

[ColonelVInnie]

I use 0 deltatime and have no problem by manually editing the settings file. Maybe that will help.

[ColonelVInnie]

I recently tested "naval mines" by dropping structural fuselages with bombs within and have ships run into them, while effective, they are very straining in fps and tend to explode on dropping, can you make a simple small 0.625m or smaller sphere bomb that has a low mass and floats, along with a delay before exploding?

[Acea]

On 2017/5/28 at 7:51 PM, ColonelVInnie said:

I recently tested "naval mines" by dropping structural fuselages with bombs within and have ships run into them, while effective, they are very straining in fps and tend to explode on dropping, can you make a simple small 0.625m or smaller sphere bomb that has a low mass and floats, along with a delay before exploding?

Yeah that would be neat, and we're gonna consider this. Now we're busy getting our plugin to work under 1.3 and working on NAS localization.

[Damaske]

First off I LOVE LOVE LOVE your mod pack! ! And i read something aboot the torpedos, what was the fix for them as i have had a lot of troubles with them in my test navy battle 1.4 KSP The ship launched ones just sit there and sink. IS the mass value change the right way to go for now, or is there something more?

 

In my testing I am not sure if it is your mod, another mod, BDArmory or just the stupid game engine, But i can not have gunfire got any farther than 5km. I also needed to edit out the FSfuelSwitch module and just replace it with each ammo type that you was able to select. It is a dirty workaround but it works for now. 

Otherwise I have no complaints for 1.3 and NAS working toget. 

[lancefoxcia]

Hey @Acea So I found a bug with Torpedos. They are having huge particle emitters that are even seen when zoomed out in space.

So I decided to make a fresh KSP 1.2.2 install. Got the Bare Essential mods that are needed to run NAS. 

The Images are in the Spoiler so that I don't make a huge forum post filled with pictures.

Spoiler

here shows the log of when I fire a torpedo. Says there's an NullreferenceExeception 



Please don't mind the name of the plane. I just name stuff so I could keep a file for in case I need to reload the game and test with the same vessel.

And Those who are not able to keep torpedos from sinking. I'd suggest going into their Configuration files and setting Buoyancy to either 0.5 or 1, Mass can Stay the same.

[ColonelVInnie]

After more testing I really believe that the power of the small guns should be lowered. They shred and spread heat too easily, while in real life it would have taken several hits. Referring to the 13 and 20mm AA guns.

[Damaske]

7 hours ago, lancefoxcia said:

Hey @Acea So I found a bug with Torpedos. They are having huge particle emitters that are even seen when zoomed out in space.

And Those who are not able to keep torpedos from sinking. I'd suggest going into their Configuration files and setting Buoyancy to either 0.5 or 1, Mass can Stay the same.

I have noticed that also, I fire a torpedo and almost as soon as the torpedo hits the water, it stops moving forward and rapidly sinks. I have also noticed the same effect that Lancefoxcia posted. 

 

I will also attempt to raise the Buoyancy and see if dat works.

 

[The_Right_Arm]

The effect that you and Lancefoxcia are noticing is a problem I believe with the shaders which were updated in 1.2, and I wanna say it was affecting a few other mods too.  I think all we can do is wait on a fix from the NAS crew.

[ColonelVInnie]

I do hope that there would be a 1.2 fix for the effects before moving on to 1.3, not all mods update that often after all.

On a side note I notice the lack of a 6 inch dual mount turret. Preferably a British one, like on the Leander. While I can make do with destroyers by making other turrets pretend to be different calibers (and copy and paste edit the files for my purpose), a 6 inch dual mount is just not at the right size.

Though I did find the 5.25 ones for the Dido in SM armory though, so thank him for that.

[Acea]

On Thu Jun 08 2017 at 6:43 PM, ColonelVInnie said:

I do hope that there would be a 1.2 fix for the effects before moving on to 1.3, not all mods update that often after all.

On a side note I notice the lack of a 6 inch dual mount turret. Preferably a British one, like on the Leander. While I can make do with destroyers by making other turrets pretend to be different calibers (and copy and paste edit the files for my purpose), a 6 inch dual mount is just not at the right size.

Though I did find the 5.25 ones for the Dido in SM armory though, so thank him for that.

On Wed Jun 07 2017 at 9:30 AM, The_Right_Arm said:

The effect that you and Lancefoxcia are noticing is a problem I believe with the shaders which were updated in 1.2, and I wanna say it was affecting a few other mods too.  I think all we can do is wait on a fix from the NAS crew.

On Sat Jun 03 2017 at 3:56 PM, Damaske said:

I have noticed that also, I fire a torpedo and almost as soon as the torpedo hits the water, it stops moving forward and rapidly sinks. I have also noticed the same effect that Lancefoxcia posted. 

 

I will also attempt to raise the Buoyancy and see if dat works.

 

On Sat Jun 03 2017 at 8:00 AM, lancefoxcia said:

Hey @Acea So I found a bug with Torpedos. They are having huge particle emitters that are even seen when zoomed out in space.

So I decided to make a fresh KSP 1.2.2 install. Got the Bare Essential mods that are needed to run NAS. 

The Images are in the Spoiler so that I don't make a huge forum post filled with pictures.

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here shows the log of when I fire a torpedo. Says there's an NullreferenceExeception 



Please don't mind the name of the plane. I just name stuff so I could keep a file for in case I need to reload the game and test with the same vessel.

And Those who are not able to keep torpedos from sinking. I'd suggest going into their Configuration files and setting Buoyancy to either 0.5 or 1, Mass can Stay the same.

Sure we have a fix, right here, just done yesterday. You can grab it HERE. Also I'd provide a preview of the next version.

Do remember to delete all the specified folders in GameData\NAS and Module Manager caches before merging them in, or something bad may happen.

 

P.S. We need your help with the localization progress of NAS. Thanks to any of you who're willing to help us improve it.

 

EDIT: After discussions we decided that it should be better to open our localization files pending translated to the community, which would be more convenient and community-alike, also we can gather more help easily. Anyone could edit this, so please leave your ID in the quotes for us to credit your contributions.

Español: DONE ON 2017/06/20

Русский: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1eXUhlGmZSuGViQ_SwiKMURhPH4-VCeA9h-Lh52Ru_wk/edit?usp=sharing

 

On Sat Jun 03 2017 at 10:23 AM, ColonelVInnie said:

After more testing I really believe that the power of the small guns should be lowered. They shred and spread heat too easily, while in real life it would have taken several hits. Referring to the 13 and 20mm AA guns.

We've been mentioned for a couple of times, and I guess that's something need to be done in next version.

[ColonelVInnie]

Is it just me or the Mark 15s have incorrect attachment nodes? Why is it in the center?

I changed the node from this:

node_stack_bottom = 0.0, 0.0, 0.0, 0, 0, -1, 2

to this

node_stack_bottom = 0.0, 0.0, -3.7, 0, 0, -1, 2

Edited June 11, 2017 by ColonelVInnie
Found a manual editing solution for the problem.

[Acea]

5 hours ago, ColonelVInnie said:

Is it just me or the Mark 15s have incorrect attachment nodes? Why is it in the center?

I changed the node from this:

node_stack_bottom = 0.0, 0.0, 0.0, 0, 0, -1, 2

to this

node_stack_bottom = 0.0, 0.0, -3.7, 0, 0, -1, 2

We've redefined some settings in models of all torpedoes, maybe some mistakes were made then. Will make a quick fix, sorry about that.

 

EDIT: Done

Edited June 11, 2017 by Acea

[ColonelVInnie]

I have been working on many ships, so I decided to share one of them. This is the Scharnhorst sailing the blue seas.It is somewhat inaccurate though.

Spoiler

12 inch guns instead of 11,

Lazily modified 5" guns to be 150 mm German ones,

Simplified superstructure to reduce part count,

Welded and more modified configs to prevent blowing up.

 

[Acea]

Updatelog 0.6.5 (IMPORTANT) - "Crossroads"
*Special thanks to forum user eboshi, who greatly helped with localization progress of NAS!
Updated plugins for compatibility with KSP 1.3, and added the function of setting depths of all torpedoes/depth charges on board (UI localized in simplified Chinese and Japanese).
Updated to latest C.A.L++.
Tweaked Fritz X Guided Anti-ship Glide Bomb so it can work more smoothly.
Removed LoadingTipsPlus configuring file.
Rebalanced small caliber AA weapons, now they should be about 1/3 less powerful, and buffed range of Type 96 25 mm AT/AA Gun Triple Mount.
Overhauled all the tags, now it would be easier to search any parts.
Applied new exhaust effects to all torpedoes/rockets and Fritz X, now they behave normal.
Applied armor piercing settings to CA/BB guns, and rebalanced their powers.
Added localization support to simplified Chinese and Japanese. Sorry that we only have speakers of these two languages among our team members and volunteers, please help us with all these untranslated texts.
Added 2 new parts:
 - Kriegsmarine: 28 cm SK C/28 Twin Turret
 - US Army: 14-inch M1909 Twin Turret (Fort Drum Type)

P.S. in case anyone didn't see the announcement above, after discussions we decided that it should be better to open our localization files pending translated to the community, which would be more convenient and community-alike, also we can gather more help easily. Anyone could edit this, so please leave your ID in the quotes for us to credit your contributions.

Español: DONE ON 2017/06/20

Русский: DONE ON 2017/06/27

Edited June 27, 2017 by Acea

[ColonelVInnie]

What exactly is an "Armor piercing setting"? Since I only line the sides of ships with a layer of damageable components would it cause problems to destroying those? If it does all I can say is MLGB.