Brotoro Posted March 4, 2019 Share Posted March 4, 2019 Looks like two chutes to stabilize the craft and pull off the apex cover. Then two drogues (not supersonic). Then three pilot chutes pull out the three main parachutes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canopus Posted March 4, 2019 Share Posted March 4, 2019 So will these Airbags be used on a normal mission as Well? Will Starliner touch down on land like Orion was supposed to? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xd the great Posted March 4, 2019 Share Posted March 4, 2019 11 minutes ago, Canopus said: So will these Airbags be used on a normal mission as Well? Will Starliner touch down on land like Orion was supposed to? Yeah, i think that is rhe plan. Saltwater reuse is hard. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kerbiloid Posted March 4, 2019 Share Posted March 4, 2019 Aren't those four engines its main engines to be used in orbit? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canopus Posted March 4, 2019 Share Posted March 4, 2019 9 minutes ago, kerbiloid said: Aren't those four engines its main engines to be used in orbit? That would be overkill. those are only Abort engines. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kerbiloid Posted March 4, 2019 Share Posted March 4, 2019 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Canopus said: That would be overkill. those are only Abort engines. That's what I thought. But does it bring the useless abort motors to LEO, or uses enormous T/W to, say, deorbit?.. (As its RCS look like enough for deorbiting.) Edited March 4, 2019 by kerbiloid Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canopus Posted March 4, 2019 Share Posted March 4, 2019 Just now, kerbiloid said: That's what I thought. But does it bring the useless abort motors to LEO, or uses enormous T/W to, say, deorbit?.. Both SpaceX and Boeing chose an Abort system that stays with the Capsule all the way to Orbit for some reason. But no i don‘t think these engines are ever used on a normal mission. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xd the great Posted March 4, 2019 Share Posted March 4, 2019 1 hour ago, Canopus said: Both SpaceX and Boeing chose an Abort system that stays with the Capsule all the way to Orbit for some reason. Because reuseability. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kerbiloid Posted March 4, 2019 Share Posted March 4, 2019 (edited) 19 minutes ago, Xd the great said: Because reuseability. CST-100 service module looks like expendable. Edited March 4, 2019 by kerbiloid Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tater Posted March 4, 2019 Share Posted March 4, 2019 2 hours ago, Canopus said: Both SpaceX and Boeing chose an Abort system that stays with the Capsule all the way to Orbit for some reason. But no i don‘t think these engines are ever used on a normal mission. The reason is it eliminates another separation event. Tractor systems have to be jettisoned after they are not needed, and any failure in that system is a profound problem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canopus Posted March 4, 2019 Share Posted March 4, 2019 56 minutes ago, Xd the great said: Because reuseability. Since SpaceX is now not going to fly Astronauts on reused Dragon 2s it is kinda pointless to have reusable Abort system. 1 minute ago, tater said: The reason is it eliminates another separation event. Tractor systems have to be jettisoned after they are not needed, and any failure in that system is a profound problem. true Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sh1pman Posted March 4, 2019 Share Posted March 4, 2019 1 minute ago, Canopus said: Since SpaceX is now not going to fly Astronauts on reused Dragon 2s *NASA astronauts Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tater Posted March 4, 2019 Share Posted March 4, 2019 1 minute ago, Canopus said: Since SpaceX is now not going to fly Astronauts on reused Dragon 2s it is kinda pointless to have reusable Abort system. I think they were talking about transitioning cargo to the new vehicle, and they might reuse them for some commercial stuff, if anyone wants to buy a ride. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canopus Posted March 4, 2019 Share Posted March 4, 2019 Just now, sh1pman said: *NASA astronauts i‘d like to see the non NASA astronauts they are flying to space Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sh1pman Posted March 4, 2019 Share Posted March 4, 2019 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Canopus said: i‘d like to see the non NASA astronauts they are flying to space I think space tourism is still on the table for SpaceX. Great way to make some quick cash before Starship comes. Its max capacity is 7, so 1 pilot and 6 tourists is doable. Let's say 1 full day in LEO without docking. Sounds fun. Edited March 4, 2019 by sh1pman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tater Posted March 4, 2019 Share Posted March 4, 2019 2 minutes ago, Canopus said: i‘d like to see the non NASA astronauts they are flying to space They don't have any yet, but that was sort of the point of the commercial crew program. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canopus Posted March 4, 2019 Share Posted March 4, 2019 1 minute ago, sh1pman said: I think space tourism is still on the table for SpaceX. Great way to make some quick cash before Starship comes. Its max capacity is 7, so 1 pilot and 6 tourists is doable. Who would be the pilot? Do they train their own Astronauts? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tater Posted March 4, 2019 Share Posted March 4, 2019 2 minutes ago, Canopus said: Who would be the pilot? Do they train their own Astronauts? What pilot? Ripley? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sh1pman Posted March 4, 2019 Share Posted March 4, 2019 Just now, Canopus said: Who would be the pilot? Do they train their own Astronauts? Virgin has their own astronauts-pilots, can't see why SpaceX won't be able to have their own. They'll have to anyway, for that Starship mission, Moonshot i think? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canopus Posted March 4, 2019 Share Posted March 4, 2019 (edited) 1 minute ago, tater said: What pilot? Ripley? The pilot/s that would accompany tourists on a dragon flight. Edited March 4, 2019 by Canopus Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MinimumSky5 Posted March 4, 2019 Share Posted March 4, 2019 1 hour ago, Canopus said: Who would be the pilot? Do they train their own Astronauts? I don't know exactly who, but they've been training 2 NASA astronauts for Demo - 2, so they do have quite a bit of experience in that department. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tater Posted March 4, 2019 Share Posted March 4, 2019 1 hour ago, Canopus said: The pilot/s that would accompany tourists on a dragon flight. Well, they'd likely send somebody to do whatever in case of emergency. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kerbiloid Posted March 4, 2019 Share Posted March 4, 2019 (edited) Spoiler 1 hour ago, Canopus said: Since SpaceX is now not going to fly Astronauts on reused Dragon 2s it is kinda pointless to have reusable Abort system. They can sell it as a second-hand. "A young but promising and dynamically developing space agency will buy or accept as a gift a used spaceship in good condition. Please call 555-..." 1 hour ago, tater said: 1 hour ago, Canopus said: Who would be the pilot? Do they train their own Astronauts? What pilot? Ripley? NK would be interested, too. Also, they could test limits of its reusability. 1 hour ago, tater said: 1 hour ago, Canopus said: Who would be the pilot? Do they train their own Astronauts? What pilot? Ripley? And Fёdor. They are going to send him to ISS in 2021+, so they can marry.https://translate.google.com.tr/translate?sl=ru&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=ru&ie=UTF-8&u=https://robo-sapiens.ru/stati/robot-fedor/ Edited March 4, 2019 by kerbiloid Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sevenperforce Posted March 4, 2019 Share Posted March 4, 2019 The RS-88 engines can gimbal to angle through the vehicle COM so I think it is probably pretty likely that they can be used for changing orbit and deorbiting, though they may want to use RCS thrusters for more precision. The original RS-88s used LOX/ethanol but these have been modded to run on hypergolics. Boeing won't tell us what their Isp is because apparently they have ITAR heritage. 3 hours ago, Canopus said: Since SpaceX is now not going to fly Astronauts on reused Dragon 2s it is kinda pointless to have reusable Abort system. They will reuse Dragon 2s for cargo delivery, which means cargo will now have abort capability. Dragon 1 is officially deprecated; they will continue reflying reused Dragon 1s until they all retire. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nightside Posted March 5, 2019 Share Posted March 5, 2019 (edited) Does Boeing have to do an Inflight Abort test like SpaceX? Did they already do it? I only see 1 unmanned mission before their first manned flight. Edited March 5, 2019 by Nightside Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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