southernplain Posted July 9, 2021 Share Posted July 9, 2021 56 minutes ago, cubinator said: Even worse than that shuttle SRB thing? I loved the aesthetic of Ares I, definitely not ugly. I wouldn’t want to ride on one, but it looked good IMO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpaceFace545 Posted July 10, 2021 Share Posted July 10, 2021 17 hours ago, tater said: Starliner is fine by me, but stacked it's possibly the ugliest crew vehicle stack ever. You can leave if you don’t like it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kerbiloid Posted July 10, 2021 Share Posted July 10, 2021 18 hours ago, tater said: It's the Boeing coming-out. Now we know what software they use for development. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tater Posted July 10, 2021 Share Posted July 10, 2021 3 hours ago, SpaceFace545 said: You can leave if you don’t like it I have a friend working on it from the NASA end, so I'll stay. I don't mind a lot of the Atlas V variants, but the narrowing to Centaur, then harsh step to Starliner is... YUCK. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tater Posted July 16, 2021 Share Posted July 16, 2021 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikegarrison Posted July 17, 2021 Share Posted July 17, 2021 On 7/10/2021 at 7:30 AM, tater said: I have a friend working on it from the NASA end, so I'll stay. I don't mind a lot of the Atlas V variants, but the narrowing to Centaur, then harsh step to Starliner is... YUCK. Interesting that you view it from the ground up. As an aerodynamicist by training (although actually a combustion/emissions subject matter expert by work experience), I pretty much automatically think of it in the other direction. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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tater Posted July 17, 2021 Share Posted July 17, 2021 (edited) 13 hours ago, mikegarrison said: Interesting that you view it from the ground up. As an aerodynamicist by training (although actually a combustion/emissions subject matter expert by work experience), I pretty much automatically think of it in the other direction. I wasn't thinking of the direction of motion, and in this case I was talking about the Atlas launch vehicle variants, which CST-100 just sits on top of. I suppose all the 400 series are ugly to me vs the 500s where the Centaur is actually inside the fairing. From a launch vehicle perspective the fairing is part of the vehicle, vs Starliner where the crew vehicle sits on top in place of the Atlas fairing. Still a harsh step from Starliner to Centaur, nose to tail, or tail to nose. The 500s all look pretty cool to me. Edited July 17, 2021 by tater Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kerbiloid Posted July 17, 2021 Share Posted July 17, 2021 Boeing doesn't just use KSP for development, but TCA mod for balancing. It's exactly for that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sevenperforce Posted July 18, 2021 Share Posted July 18, 2021 On 7/17/2021 at 1:43 PM, tater said: Still a harsh step from Starliner to Centaur, nose to tail, or tail to nose. The 500s all look pretty cool to me. I feel the same way. I’m not a fan of the 501, but the rest look super cool, especially 521 and above. They just have a really powerful look to them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wumpus Posted July 18, 2021 Share Posted July 18, 2021 On 7/10/2021 at 7:26 AM, SpaceFace545 said: You can leave if you don’t like it Sorry, only the Vostok was designed for leaving in flight without a required return. - just in case anyone is new here, Yuri Gagarin had to parachute out before it landed. Cheaper to only reduce his mass to "human survivable landing velocity" than the whole Vostok spacecraft. Note that it was plenty larger than the "hard space suit" that was Mercury capsule. - and just like a recent "controversy" it disqualified him for "first orbit" under FIA rules. The rules at the time for orbiting somehow required him to stay with his spacecraft. The Soviets certainly never mentioned this little detail until much later, long after anybody cared about such details and orbiting the planet was blatantly obvious. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sevenperforce Posted July 18, 2021 Share Posted July 18, 2021 12 minutes ago, wumpus said: - just in case anyone is new here, Yuri Gagarin had to parachute out before it landed. Cheaper to only reduce his mass to "human survivable landing velocity" than the whole Vostok spacecraft. Note that it was plenty larger than the "hard space suit" that was Mercury capsule. It also had no zero-zero launch abort system. If he had ejected on the pad, he wouldn't have gotten high enough to open his parachute. So they put a net around the launch pad...which would have trapped him next to an exploding rocket. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kerbiloid Posted July 18, 2021 Share Posted July 18, 2021 38 minutes ago, wumpus said: The rules at the time for orbiting somehow required him to stay with his spacecraft. He kept the belt buckle, it's OK, the ship stayed with him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tater Posted July 22, 2021 Share Posted July 22, 2021 11 hours ago, mikegarrison said: Not having watched the whole video, why did they want to use that particular port for the Starliner? Is it deemed lowest risk for a first attempted docking? Moved from the SpaceX thread. My friend at MCC said safety, obstructions, pointing, and simply that mission planning and programming might have already had a specific port in mind, and it was easier to move the Crew Dragon and leave the Starliner to go to the port originally planned (nothing to test on Crew Dragon, they get aboard, and can always take over). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Scotius Posted July 22, 2021 Share Posted July 22, 2021 (edited) I hope this review does its work properly. Another failed flight would be seriously humiliating. Space exploration does not need this Edited July 22, 2021 by Scotius A typo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tater Posted July 22, 2021 Share Posted July 22, 2021 39 minutes ago, Scotius said: I hope this review does its work properly. Another failed flight would be seriously humiliating. Space exploration does not need this The work for the review is already done according to a friend involved, it's HQ stuff at this point to decide it has passed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kerbiloid Posted July 22, 2021 Share Posted July 22, 2021 It's pink... A pink spaceship... Any pony? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tater Posted July 22, 2021 Share Posted July 22, 2021 Any delay in getting Nauka to ISS could potentially impact OFT-2. For one, ISS was doing an attitude change for that docking operation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikegarrison Posted July 23, 2021 Share Posted July 23, 2021 Flight Readiness Review has been successfully completed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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tater Posted July 25, 2021 Share Posted July 25, 2021 https://www.nasa.gov/sites/default/files/atoms/audio/ep205_go_starliner.mp3 Worth a listen about the OFT-2 mission. (NASA's "We have a podcast") Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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JoeSchmuckatelli Posted July 27, 2021 Share Posted July 27, 2021 On 7/18/2021 at 4:15 PM, sevenperforce said: would have trapped him next to an exploding rocket. ...those wacky Rooskies! Such kidders. Also a good way to keep your inquisitive astronaut from pushing the button that says 'Don't Push' Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kerbiloid Posted July 27, 2021 Share Posted July 27, 2021 On 7/18/2021 at 10:58 PM, wumpus said: Yuri Gagarin had to parachute out before it landed. Cheaper to only reduce his mass to "human survivable landing velocity" than the whole Vostok spacecraft. Both were landing at human-rated speed. They just weren't sure if the capsule* landing system is enough reliable, so preferred to eject the pilot (btw, he had a backup chute, too). * Actually, nearly a former airship cabin. https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=&sl=ru&tl=en&u=https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Волга_(стратостат) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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